Hardest Puncher Today and Historically

Currently it has to be Wladimir ... I may not be a fan of his or his style but he has crazy power. In both hands too ... some of his KOs are just vicious.

But how do you think he compares with some of the past boxers who are generally acclaimed to be very hard hitters?

Is he in the same class as Foreman or Shavers who are both accepted as the two hardest punchers in boxing history?

Its hard for any us who are just watching these guys unload on their opponents to measure or gauge their power but you can get some idea from watching them and from their reputation. KO's and KO% can be misleading because some guys achieve KO wins via volume punching, like Vitali. There is no way Vitali hits harder than Wlad but he has a higher KO ratio, due to the collective effects of his punches.

Anyway I have Wladimir as a top 10 power puncher, all time, for sure. I think he might have one of the hardest jabs of all time, like top 5 in terms of power.

Pound for pound = Julian Jackson.

P4P today its Randall Bailey.

Wladimir Klitschko is today's heaviest hitter... Dr Steelhammer is at 80.65%.

Historically you have Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Ernie Shavers, Mike Tyson representing the HW division of super hitters then you have the little guys like Carlos Zarate with 90% KO wins, Wilfredo Gomez 87.5%, Khoasai Galaxy 86% , then there is Aaron Pryor at 87.5% and heavy hitters like Tommy Hearns 71%, Felix Trinidad 77%, Julian Jackson 80%.

I think any fighter who has a KO winning percentage greater than 70% is well up there in the heavy hitter department.

KO% can be misleading though

Vitali has a higher KO% but doesn't hit as hard as Wlad

Today excluding the hevs I’d have to go with Chocolatito. Opposite end of the spectrum.

All time that’s a tough one.

For me it’s between Jimmy Wilde and Sam Langford and as Al pointed out Jackson was also a freak. The three of them are further proof that punchers are born and not made. Langford was a blown up middleweight and has more ko’s then Tyson and Foreman combined. Wildes record is really w/o equal and that does not include the hundreds of tent fights he had knocking out guys three or 4 times his size wearing 4 oz gloves.

Vitali doesn nothit so hard---no harder by any means than say Razor Ruddock or somebody like that. KO% is def misleading--- a guy who has vicious combination punching can KO plenty of people but not hit so hard PER PUNCH.

PER PUNCH you'd HAVE to say Rocky Marciano, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers Im talking about in BOTH HANDS. Those guys could kill you with either hand. Dempsey hit pretty damned hard as well. Now that you mention it---Razor Ruddock hit pretty damned hard if you ask me.

P4P now I'd say it's Mattheysse. That guy has some sledgehammers in his gloves.

Historically...I dunno. Valero would be up there because of his 100% KO record but we never got to find out if he could do it at the very highest level.

I considered saying Deontay Wilder currently, but if I fought 26 turkeys I'd likely have 26(26)-0-0 also.

Wlad sure does take time to get the KO for such a big puncher. When you couple that with the huge size advantage he has over most opponents, P4P he wouldn't really be high on the list.

Tye Fields probably hits harder than Wlad, he's just not half as skillful.

It's not as simple as KO percentage, rounds taken or people KO'd.

Style and accuracy play a big part. If you're an average puncher but you always hit the target then you'll get more KOs than a big hitter who just hits whatever he can.

Edwin Valero 27-0-0 27 KO's 100%. It would be tough to beat that.

Golavkin has to be 1 ov the hardest hitters about just now.hopfully be a big year for him this year all the big names can't hide forever!

Real big punchers are often one dimensional like Shavers and Rudduck who do not always become champions, others like Naz, Foreman and Julian Jackson have success but not champions for a long time. Real punchers who are successful champions would be Hearns, Tyson, Benn because they have other skills.

I would not class Wlad as a big puncher, his stoppages come from an accumulation of punches.

Keith Thurman deserves a mention.

Joe Louis his opponents often thought they had been shot. Devastating up close.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PpR12yaRs

I would say Earnie Shaver. It's hard answer though because Roy Jones hit like a mutha too, Ray Robinson KO'd people who'd seldom ever been down with one punch. Sam Langford was a damn beast. Ugh its just too large of a list to narrow down to a single hardest puncher ever considering we still don't have a good way to measure a boxers punching power (even though actual instruments to do that exist)

So let's leave it in theorycraft and discussions :D

Since all you fuckers already mentioned half the people here's some not yet mentioned who are often overlooked...

"Pajarito" Moreno
Fitzsimmons
Galaxy
Arguello
Foster
Cuevas

Some other guys:

Bert Cooper ... not the hardest hitter but had serious power
Prince Naseem relied solely on his power at times
Max Baer had deadly power ... literally ...
Tommy Morrison ... excellent left hook

Today I would say both Klitschkos, Matthysse, Nonito, JMM & Froch...

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Wlad sure does take time to get the KO for such a big puncher. When you couple that with the huge size advantage he has over most opponents, P4P he wouldn't really be high on the list.

Tye Fields probably hits harder than Wlad, he's just not half as skillful.

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Originally Posted by Master

Real big punchers are often one dimensional like Shavers and Rudduck who do not always become champions, others like Naz, Foreman and Julian Jackson have success but not champions for a long time. Real punchers who are successful champions would be Hearns, Tyson, Benn because they have other skills.

I would not class Wlad as a big puncher, his stoppages come from an accumulation of punches.

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I disagree

Watched some more of his fights (was painfully difficult to stay awake but mission accomplished) and seems to have a KILLER jab in terms of power. His straight right is also powerful.

The effect that some of his punches have on his opponent give you an idea of how hard he hits ...

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Since all you fuckers already mentioned half the people here's some not yet mentioned who are often overlooked...

"Pajarito" Moreno
Fitzsimmons
Galaxy
Arguello
Foster
Cuevas

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Nice additions. I would also add

Saddler
Chaney
Baer Max
Satterfield
Ledoux

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Today excluding the hevs I’d have to go with Chocolatito. Opposite end of the spectrum.

All time that’s a tough one.

For me it’s between Jimmy Wilde and Sam Langford and as Al pointed out Jackson was also a freak. The three of them are further proof that punchers are born and not made. Langford was a blown up middleweight and has more ko’s then Tyson and Foreman combined. Wildes record is really w/o equal and that does not include the hundreds of tent fights he had knocking out guys three or 4 times his size wearing 4 oz gloves.

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I would have to agree with you on Chocolatito. That KO against Soto cannot be described as anything else but a thing of beauty.

Historically, well, that's hard for me because you have to consider different boxers, their era and the contexts of their fights. I'm gonna have to go with obvious and right in front of us, Iron Mike Tyson. I've been studying the boxing game for a while, new and old, not an expert by any stretch, but I know enough to make educated and calculated statements.

I'm going to have to go with Tyson historically and for all times.

Iron Mike is top 5 in power all time, in my opinion.

But I think he is the most devastating puncher of all time ... he could literally KO you with any punch in his repertoire ... and he had no problem throwing any kind of punch from any kind of angle ... and the combos he would throw were ungodly and had never existed before in the heavyweight division.

Combine that with the natural speed and power as well as the technique he would employ and you have the most devastating puncher of all time.

The uppercut he throws here MAY be the most powerful punch I've ever seen

http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums...20uppercut.gif

Here it is at 11 minutes and 51 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkFd7PQz80&t=11m51s

Same fight against Ribalta he rips a lightning fast combo at 33m and 30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkFd7PQz80&t=33m30s

Possibly the best I've ever seen from a heavyweight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58aMy4MzVsU

He was destroying people that super punchers like Foreman went 12 full rounds with ... and scraped by with a SD victory. Foreman beat Lou Savarese in a 12 round SD yet Tyson annihilated him with a single punch, through his guard:

http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/1000221...u_Savarese.gif

Tyson had great technique which included speed, accuracy, timing and power. Raw power would be Bruno, Foreman and Rocky.

Forgot about Bruno ... he had major power ... I remember him stunning Tyson with a left hand and even steel chinned Oliver McCall felt this dudes hits

Heavyweight you have to go Foreman, Shavers and Tyson. In terms of raw power, it's hard not to go with George. He was knocking out young guns when he was in his mid to late 40s! But consensus says Shavers was the bigger puncher, according to guys who would know like Ali.

I think an underrated puncher is Merqui Sosa. James Toney said he was the hardest puncher he'd ever faced, and James has been in with some guys who can bang.

Golovkin hits hard, but let's see him knockout some top opponents before rating his power.

This is a nice video of some of the punches we have talked about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m2FIQzal9U

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Originally Posted by mightyfighter

Golovkin hits hard, but let's see him knockout some top opponents before rating his power.

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You may be right he looks more than capable of unifying and wiping out everyone around him in his division but we will see. I think the same can be said Of David Price it's a bit early to judge but his power seems freakish, and I can't see anybody out there that can live with it. And that includes Wlad and Vitali.

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

Iron Mike is top 5 in power all time, in my opinion.

But I think he is the most devastating puncher of all time ... he could literally KO you with any punch in his repertoire ... and he had no problem throwing any kind of punch from any kind of angle ... and the combos he would throw were ungodly and had never existed before in the heavyweight division.

Combine that with the natural speed and power as well as the technique he would employ and you have the most devastating puncher of all time.

The uppercut he throws here MAY be the most powerful punch I've ever seen

http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums...20uppercut.gif

Here it is at 11 minutes and 51 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkFd7PQz80&t=11m51s

Same fight against Ribalta he rips a lightning fast combo at 33m and 30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkFd7PQz80&t=33m30s

Possibly the best I've ever seen from a heavyweight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58aMy4MzVsU

He was destroying people that super punchers like Foreman went 12 full rounds with ... and scraped by with a SD victory. Foreman beat Lou Savarese in a 12 round SD yet Tyson annihilated him with a single punch, through his guard:

http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/1000221...u_Savarese.gif

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how old r u ? foreman was about 48 when he fought Lou , how do u think a 48 year old tyson would have done ?

Power is the last thing that leaves you.

Foreman still had power at 43.

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

Power is the last thing that leaves you.

Foreman still had power at 43.

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yes so did the old version of tyson who lost to danny williams , sharpness and snap make u more powerful also , u lose that with age.

Good point but Tyson blew out his knee in round 1.

Foreman was just an arm puncher and used brute power ... he didn't rely on speed and technique like Tyson.

Danny Williams will probably tell you that he was the hardest puncher he ever fought. In fact he does:

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Danny Williams: “Because this is a fight I’ve been asking for for years. I’ve been boxing at British level for many years, fighting C class opponents. I’ve always wanted to fight the top Americans. And I had the opportunity against Mike Tyson. And I said I’m going to take it with both hands. In my mind, you had to kill me to beat me. ‘Cause I was going out, I was going to leave everything in the ring.”

BoxingInsider.com: So you’ve been waiting years and years for this chance?

Danny Williams: “Yeah, definitely. You could see it in there. Tyson was really giving it to me for the first three rounds. But I wouldn’t give up, I’m there to win.”

BoxingInsider.com: Were those the hardest punches you ever took?

Danny Williams: “OH EASY, BY FAR! He was really sinking them in. Really, really a powerful guy. It’s amazing a guy of that size, that stature, could throw such powerful punches.”

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Danny Williams Analyzes His KO of Tyson

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

Good point but Tyson blew out his knee in round 1.

Foreman was just an arm puncher and used brute power ... he didn't rely on speed and technique like Tyson.

Danny Williams will probably tell you that he was the hardest puncher he ever fought. In fact he does:

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Danny Williams: “Because this is a fight I’ve been asking for for years. I’ve been boxing at British level for many years, fighting C class opponents. I’ve always wanted to fight the top Americans. And I had the opportunity against Mike Tyson. And I said I’m going to take it with both hands. In my mind, you had to kill me to beat me. ‘Cause I was going out, I was going to leave everything in the ring.”

BoxingInsider.com: So you’ve been waiting years and years for this chance?

Danny Williams: “Yeah, definitely. You could see it in there. Tyson was really giving it to me for the first three rounds. But I wouldn’t give up, I’m there to win.”

BoxingInsider.com: Were those the hardest punches you ever took?

Danny Williams: “OH EASY, BY FAR! He was really sinking them in. Really, really a powerful guy. It’s amazing a guy of that size, that stature, could throw such powerful punches.”

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Danny Williams Analyzes His KO of Tyson

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you will as find that fighters tell u the guy they beat hit the hardest , or was the fastest , or was the best , for the reason - they beat them , Vitali used williams as a chopping block and we all saw what his power did, it blew him away with ease , so are we concluding Vitali blew him away with softer punches ? .

Joe Louis was, far and away, the best puncher ever, in my opinion. Danny Romero was also a great puncher, great technique, just couldn't hit Tapia (and a few others)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7fJNAe4uOQ