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I was pretty disappointed to hear about Kelly Pavlik's retirement, but if that's the way he feels it's for the best. Here's hoping he can stay of the booze and have a long and happy retirement with his family.
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i enjoyed watching pavlik, the first taylor fight was very good
its a pitty although i have a feeling he wont stay retired
That's a real shame. I think he had severely underrated boxing skill, and I think he could have done a lot more in the sport if he kept his personal demons in check.
I'm annoyed with him and think it is somewhat pathetic. Pavliks negative mind has taken over and unless he gets big fights he gives up and that happened here with Bute and Ward falling through. He has a chip on his shoulder and in retiring has a good reason to rail. There were obvious other paths though. Pavlik retiring now is an awful decision. The very fact that he is declaring it after 2 fights were not made is too obvious. Its all about never being given his fair chance, which is true, but staying busy is the other truth.
So he's no different from David Haye then, or the majority of people in this country I would imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If I were in a position where financially I didn't have to do the job that I'm doing now, do you think I would do it? I might work again, but I would pick and choose whatever motivated me.
I read Pavlik was offered 50k for a fight not long ago. Take away tax, manager's fee, and other deductions and I doubt I would be motivated to enter a grueling two month camp to prepare. Make it a million, and I would reconsider. Sounds sensible to me.
It really sounds like Pavlik does not have the heart for boxing and when a fighter is more concerned about his health and well being then you know his focus of fighting is not there any more.
Pavlik has made the right decision. I do hope he does not come back 5 years from now, I hope he stays retired.
He will always have a void .. like he could have accomplished much more. Sucks
He has had enough,Pavlik is not the same fighter he was and never will be.
I just hope he does not make a comeback in a year or two.Thats if we can
recognise him ,he will be covered head to toe in tats.
Ta Ta for now see you in the next year or 2. Maybe he will be on an undercard of an Evander Holyfield or David Haye card.
thing is, realistically he wasn't gonna ever really reach the level he once was at, so the void would always be there, now by calling it quits at least he's leaving without taking anymore physical punishment caused in the ring, I wish him luck and hope he has a good lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
The MW Gerry Cooney.
Was Pavlik an over achiever or under achiever?
Under achiever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Thats what I think but read in boxing new mag that someone thought he overachieved considering he was knocked down by Miranda and Taylor but got up to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenUnder achiever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Over achiever before Hopkins, an under achiever after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
This is just my opinion, I've never read anything along this line, but I think he lost faith in his trainer and himself after Hopkins.
I'm not saying he would have beaten Martinez if he hadn't fought Hopkins first. I'm saying the Hopkins fight should never have happened, it was a capital error.
Gotta agree. It's gotta be hard for a former world champ to get motivated for what equals to be chump change in the grand scheme of things, taking into account all the deductions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
He may realise that chump change is more than he can make working at MacDonald and decide to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGotta agree. It's gotta be hard for a former world champ to get motivated for what equals to be chump change in the grand scheme of things, taking into account all the deductions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
Agree. What I will say is that had it not been for his personal problems, be they caused by the Hopkins pasting or not, I reckon Pavlik would still be middleweight champion today. For that reason alone I believe he underachieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOver achiever before Hopkins, an under achiever after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
This is just my opinion, I've never read anything along this line, but I think he lost faith in his trainer and himself after Hopkins.
I'm not saying he would have beaten Martinez if he hadn't fought Hopkins first. I'm saying the Hopkins fight should never have happened, it was a capital error.
True, at least now he leaves with his only losses being to two legit P4P fighters in Hopkins and Martinez. Not some bums or somewhat above average fighter who beat him because he wasn't the same fighter. I can respect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthing is, realistically he wasn't gonna ever really reach the level he once was at, so the void would always be there, now by calling it quits at least he's leaving without taking anymore physical punishment caused in the ring, I wish him luck and hope he has a good lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by outspoken