BBC Sport - Lamont Peterson joins Amir Khan at Golden Boy Promotions
Now Peterson is with GB do you think, should he beat Holt, that he will rematch Khan? Would Khan take the opportunity? Does Peterson even deserve to keep his IBF belt ?
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BBC Sport - Lamont Peterson joins Amir Khan at Golden Boy Promotions
Now Peterson is with GB do you think, should he beat Holt, that he will rematch Khan? Would Khan take the opportunity? Does Peterson even deserve to keep his IBF belt ?
Too much risk. Gb will keep khan fighting undefeated lightweights.
Totally disagree. The Peterson fight was very close and for me, Khan is a better fighter than him. I think this is Khan's best route back to a belt and divisional relevence. Garcia is a much bigger risk IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Golden Boy haven't signed him without considering the possible big fights they can make.
Khan is an obvious rematch. The first fight was excellent, razor close, had controvesy, had even more controversy, and most importantly will SELL either side of the pond. Great match-up.
Highly likely. He's got a belt and he's not a puncher so it's as good a possibility as any for Khan to get a belt again.
Uh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Khan v Peterson will happen now that they are under the same promotional banner. I would not be surprised if it is his next fight.
The first fight was great, I would love to see it again.
You and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Listen, i like khan. But i just dont see gb doing that fight yet.
I would love to see khan start avenging his losses.
What annoys me in boxing is that if the shoe was on the other foot and khan beat prescott, peterson and garcia in the same fashion these guys would never get a rematch.
I understand khan is the attraction with the money..i just dont think its fair.
PEDerson doesn't deserve another payday
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Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
PEDerson doesn't have a muscle wasting disease and he doesn't need hormone replacement therapy.
The IBF used nothing, its clear what his intent was in using testosterone. It isn't an anabolic steroid but someones testosterone levels USUALLY don't just drop out of no where, especially before a big fight.
He claimed that he was testosterone deficient and there was no mention of any injury. Its true that he wasn't going to build muscle with what he was using, but that doesn't mean that he tried to use it as a PED. And you'd think he'd receive the proper dose to get his levels back to normal if he actually had a medical condition (which he doesnt) and not abnormally high.
Of course it will. But I think its a sideways step at this point. Peterson was supposed to be a speed bump in the first place and now he is stretched it into overtime and become an equal story for all the wrong reasons. Partially because Khan was stretched in a bad way himself vs Garcia. The fight Khan 'could use' is Peterson but thats strictly and only because he can gain a trinket...the one he needs is Garcia and some serious redemption and course correction. He needs to be camped on papa Garcias lawn and insulting his wife and get this fight on already!
Think the rematch is very likely and I dont see it as a risky fight for khan if anything pefect preparation for garcia rematch.khan will prob get a late stoppage win this time.
Lamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Agreed. Another thing here is that he lost due to a questionable points deduction and the referee failing to call a legitamate knockdown in the 1st round. Round one should have been a 10-7 round. Also, that guy speaking to a judge was dodgy and nothing has been done about him. The whole thing seemed bent, and I'm not even a Khan fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
If you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
And how did he get "caught" anyway if his levels were in therapeutic range to treat testosterone deficiency??
He should be stripped of the IBF title.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
Grant it, the right people were not informed. That is a technicality that his team dropped the ball on not him. It does not detract from the fact the he tested below the accepted level for rehab. What he is guilty of is stupidity. Not only was the amount consistent with accepted limits but he's the one that asked for random tests. Nobody is that stupid. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance because I have watched and kept up on him and his brother almost since they moved out of that cardboard box in the alley. He's worked his ass off to get to where he is and because he's not a household name or big draw he has had to work twice as hard. For this one my glass is half full.
Lance Armstrong can't be a drugs cheat because he beat cancer, was an inspiration to millions and raised fortunes for charity. You can't bring peoples backgrounds and personalities into these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
Grant it, the right people were not informed. That is a technicality that his team dropped the ball on not him. It does not detract from the fact the he tested below the accepted level for rehab. What he is guilty of is stupidity. Not only was the amount consistent with accepted limits but he's the one that asked for random tests. Nobody is that stupid. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance because I have watched and kept up on him and his brother almost since they moved out of that cardboard box in the alley. He's worked his ass off to get to where he is and because he's not a household name or big draw he has had to work twice as hard. For this one my glass is half full.
Why would a drug cheat not advocate stricter testing? If they disaprove it brings immediate suspicion on themselves and also most think they won't get caught.
See my next post.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
And how did he get "caught" anyway if his levels were in therapeutic range to treat testosterone deficiency??
He should be stripped of the IBF title.
VADA do a type of testing called Carbon Isotope Ratio testing. CIR testing can tell the difference between testosterone that is naturally produced by the body and synthetic testosterone. Peterson's people didn't know CIR testing exists as nobody else, even USADA test for it. In the steroid world up to this point testosterone was/is the drug of choice as it's produced by the body and you can legally have up to six times the normal amount in your body, an amount that replicates the action of anabolic steroids, and still test negative in drug tests. That's why hundreds of boxers/MMA fighters are taking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
Grant it, the right people were not informed. That is a technicality that his team dropped the ball on not him. It does not detract from the fact the he tested below the accepted level for rehab. What he is guilty of is stupidity. Not only was the amount consistent with accepted limits but he's the one that asked for random tests. Nobody is that stupid. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance because I have watched and kept up on him and his brother almost since they moved out of that cardboard box in the alley. He's worked his ass off to get to where he is and because he's not a household name or big draw he has had to work twice as hard. For this one my glass is half full.
Peterson had already beaten the drug testing for the Khan fight despite admitting he was full of synthetic testosterone so he had no reason to think he was going to test positive -- after all, it was just a substance that occurs naturally in the body and it was under the acceptable limit. And do you really believe all these muscular superfit alpha male fighters actually have hypogonadism and aren't naturally producing enough testosterone?
I'm no bio-chemist. I majored in philosophy and then became a public servant so all of this technical stuff is out of my league but if its as intertwined and complicated as you say then I conclude that everyone is cheating. I mean after Gamboas affiliation with a certain lab became public all of a sudden people are coming out of the woodwork on some forums that he has been using hgh because of the shape of his jaw line. Now we can go around and around eternally on this and my opinion is not a scientific one. I personally do not believe he purposely tired to cheat because again of the amount found, an injury backed by doctors and the fact that he asked for random tests and lets face would have known of or been led through any cycle program. Perhaps they should simply ban the use of steroids in physical rehab ans be prepared to sit out a year instead of six months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingVADA do a type of testing called Carbon Isotope Ratio testing. CIR testing can tell the difference between testosterone that is naturally produced by the body and synthetic testosterone. Peterson's people didn't know CIR testing exists as nobody else, even USADA test for it. In the steroid world up to this point testosterone was/is the drug of choice as it's produced by the body and you can legally have up to six times the normal amount in your body, an amount that replicates the action of anabolic steroids, and still test negative in drug tests. That's why hundreds of boxers/MMA fighters are taking it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you're going to use synthetic testosterone you need to decalre it and get a medical exemption certificate. He didn't do that and when the first sample tested positive he claimed he was clean and hadn't taken anything.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLamont cheated. Lamont Lied. There were rules in place Peterson flaunted them. Khan lost a close fight without using synthetic testosterone pellets, but Khan brought the belts to the table and followed the rules. If having the testosterone levels of a 70 year old man was a real honest and truthful assessment of Peterson's situation then what was he doing in a boxing ring, and why did he not mention this until after his test came back positive post fight? If he was not taking a banned substance then it would not have shown up in tests. Even if he gained no advantage by taking what is in effect a steroid he was still cheating.The IBF just lost even more credibility and risk sinking to the depths of the WBC. There is no science logic or facts that can excuse a sanctioning body for allowing a fighter to keep a belt that he won whilst failing a drug test even if that test was self imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou and others have got to quit claiming the cheat card my friend. He was under the acceptable amount of specific steroids for healing.That is in the rules. You are allowed through a doctor to use roids for rehab and that's what he did. As if he would ask for random tests if his intent was to cheat. Neither brother has any history of cheating. Given where Lamont came from and what he has achieved I just don't see it. The Wbc stripped him/ Big surprise there. The Ibf used science, logic and facts. Khan lost to Lamont because he fights like an idiot and not because Lamont was on Peds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzUh ok. Seriously you think Khan would not relish the chance to get one of the belts back he bent over backwards to defend, in a guys own backyard, who then cheated and screwed him over for it? Khan maybe arrogant, idiotic and glass jawed but he is also ambitious, brave and capable of coming back from a seemingly career ending defeat. Fast hands, decent power, he is a decent light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That is simply wrong. Again, he tested under the allowable limit used for physical rehab and had he been using for purposes you claim he did then the amount in his system would have been ten times the amount found. The reason the Wbc stripped him is because they hate unification. The Ibf accepted the reasoning which was supported by doctors
“You have to declare it. It’s illegal to use it in many countries without a prescription,” explained Catlin. “If you have a legitimate prescription from a legitimate doctor for a lab-approved cause, it’s ok. But if you are an athlete you have to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) to make sure it is accurate because many, many athletes want to take it because it improves their sporting ability. And a lot take it and just say, ’Oh., I have low testosterone.’ That’s where this is the scurrilous part of all this. There are lots of doctors that do that.”
Max Boxing - News - Dick Pound, Victor Conte and Don Catlin Speak on the Lamont Peterson Case
Grant it, the right people were not informed. That is a technicality that his team dropped the ball on not him. It does not detract from the fact the he tested below the accepted level for rehab. What he is guilty of is stupidity. Not only was the amount consistent with accepted limits but he's the one that asked for random tests. Nobody is that stupid. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance because I have watched and kept up on him and his brother almost since they moved out of that cardboard box in the alley. He's worked his ass off to get to where he is and because he's not a household name or big draw he has had to work twice as hard. For this one my glass is half full.
Peterson had already beaten the drug testing for the Khan fight despite admitting he was full of synthetic testosterone so he had no reason to think he was going to test positive -- after all, it was just a substance that occurs naturally in the body and it was under the acceptable limit. And do you really believe all these muscular superfit alpha male fighters actually have hypogonadism and aren't naturally producing enough testosterone?
As far as the rematch goes it has the same outcome. Khan has no plan b and once things do not go the same way they do in sparring he's lost.
I thought they were still using the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio?
News to me that synthetic testosterone is now detectable ...
Peterson was caught with a massive level of synthetic testosterone in his system. It was prescribed by a dodgy doctor who isn't qualified to deal with hormone deficiencies and who didn't inform the authorities like he was meant to. He couldn't get any credible doctor to back his hypogonadism claim up. Peterson asked for random tests because he'd already beaten USADA random testing in his previous fight and thought there was no way he could be caught. If you're caught taking banned substances in any other sport then you're banned for a period of time, months or years. Why should this case be any different?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I can see this fight happening sometime down the line
With all the controversy I think it needs to happen