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I feel this is the logical decision for Marquez to make in terms of solidifying his legacy in good standing. But of course, feelings may change and he may except a 5th fight after all, whether it'd be for the money or for pride.
Thoughts?
Juan Manuel Marquez Says He Won't Fight Manny Pacquiao a 5th Time | Bleacher Report
Good for him. Would love to see Arum's face right now.
Arum will probably have him fight Bradley again.
Marquez should do what he wants, and if it pisses Arum off, that's good too.
Fvck Arum
I hope some sentient being pisses all over his grave
Who is Marquez going to fight? This is an obvious ploy to gain bargaining position. In recent times, Marquez has only fought two boxers where going into the fights, there were thoughts he might lose: Mayweather and Pacquiao. Other than that, it's been spoon-fed opposition. So, there is NO way Marquez will face Bradley, or any other tough competitor at 140-147. Nacho said as much in an interview (re: Bradley). If Marquez is going to risk losing, he's going to do it against Pacquiao.
Good on him. He put an exclamation point on that long running soap opera. Having said that it could be a ploy to see what Arum would offer. If I'm Marquez I'm telling him that I will consider it if the pay cheques from the last fight are reversed.
If had a soul he would have gotten Manny the Bradley rematch and righted a piss stain on the sport. Tbh I would have figured that Manny would have demanded that by now.
Speaking of Bradley he turned down 2.3 million to rematch Peterson in a unification and has chosen instead to fight Provodnikov.
A recent graduate of the Winky Wright school of business.
Thank God!
I agree with Marquez. There's no need to see him go 5-0 against Pacquiao
If he means it...good for him. No need for a 5th fight...PLUS...it's a nice "fuck you" to Arum.
Marques has nothing to prove, after the controversial decisions that went against him you can't,
beat a nice clean KO justice was served.;)
Hardly the first name that comes to mind when considering boxers who are spoon fed opponents. He would beat Bradley comfortably. He should fight Garcia if he can meet the weight challenge. Pick up a few belts in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Its just to get more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Marquez does what corrupt evil bob arum tells him to do.
There will be a fifth fight if bob wants there to be.
you DO KNOW that Marquez isn't a Top Rank fighter right? so he has the right to tell Bob to fuck himself and can follow up his KO against Manny with a fight against the likes of Alfonso Gomez if he fucking choosesQuote:
Originally Posted by impIts just to get more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Marquez does what corrupt evil bob arum tells him to do.
There will be a fifth fight if bob wants there to be.
I'll never understand why Manny hasn't gone after Bradley either. Arum isn't the only bull in that herd, and a rematch would have been decent money.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Marquez says "I want a 50-50 split" to a fifth fight.
Remove Floyd and Manny from his CV and in the last 5 years he faced: Michael Kastidis, Likar Ramos (Who?), Serhiy Fedchenko, and Juan Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzHardly the first name that comes to mind when considering boxers who are spoon fed opponents. He would beat Bradley comfortably. He should fight Garcia if he can meet the weight challenge. Pick up a few belts in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Not a who's-who list of killers by any stretch. This is at a time where there have been many tougher options at or around his weight class. I get it, he's 39, and entitled to earn his money. Why take the risk of losing and throwing away a multi-million dollar pay day? So, I'm not saying what he is doing doesn't make perfect business sense. It's just, outside Floyd and Manny, Marquez's choice of opponents in the last five years could be a lot better. He's no Carl Froch when it comes to taking on the toughest options.
How can you be so sure he would beat Bradley comfortably? He didn't look amazing against Kastidis, or against Fedchenko, if you consider that it was Fedchenko. Other than Floyd, when was the last time he fought a boxer (in terms of style) in (or near) his prime? Chris John? You get my point.
By the way, this is by no means an argument that Marquez doesn't deserve the bargaining leverage against Pacquiao after annihilating him in their last fight.
Unless Marquez retires he will fight Manny again this is simply a ploy to get more money as he holds the cards at the moment. Let him have his moment in the limelight.
I expected this from JMM and his fans, no suprises here. For his sake he shouldn't take the fifth fight, its actually a smart and safe decision for JMM.
He basically admits, he wants no more of Pac, what a true mexican warrior!
he knocked that fool unconscious in the most decisive unquestionable unequivocal manner possible and you want him to fight pac again???
its over ... no need for another fight .... Marquez won the series of fights with Pac and another installment for him makes little sense, especially considering his age.
It makes more sense than any other fight. It's by far the biggest money fight out there. Money is the reason he's continuing to fight. The fight will happen, he's just opening negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
:-\We expect this from pactards too. He only has one way of redeeming himself and you guys must be desperate for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Pacquiao only took Marquez on whenever he had no choice or when he figured he was over the hill, and payed for it every time he took on the fight, Knockdowns don't mean shit when your opponent just gets up dusts himself off and continues to kick your ass, Marquez should have W's in the other 3 bouts and just put an exclamation point on how much better he is than Pacquiao by putting Manny down and keeping him down, something your boy could never do to the older, smaller Mexican. Stop your whining and criticizing when Pacquiao is one of the biggest cherry pickers of the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
JMM will fight Pac anyone else will be a let down. Everyone wants to know if it was a fluke. :)
"We want a 5th fight. If Pacquiao was not knocked out unconscious, he would have won."
-Pactard/PacFanBoy
Let me clarify my earlier statement, my point is not to pass judgment on whether Pacquiao deserves another Marquez fight. If Marquez wants to bypass another Pacquiao fight for a fight with one of the top junior welterweight, or welterweight fighters, then by all means, do it. It would be great because it would be the first time he's fought a top junior welterweight, or welterweight, not named Pacquiao or Mayweather. I just think this is all a smokescreen because Marquez has no other fight close to as lucrative out there and he won't face another top welterweight. I recall saying before Pacquiao-Marquez III, when people were deriding Pacquiao's choice of opponent in Marquez, that Marquez just has Pacquiao's number. The fourth fight proved it. I remained unconvinced that Marquez would dominate other top junior welterweights/welterweights, and until we see him against one, we'll never know.
agree to a point, but just stylistically I think he could handle Bradley, Tim's straight forward style and lack of power and output in a way is perfect for Marquez, he would probably just counter and out hustle Bradley to a boring UD, but get what you're trying to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Marquez should walk away from the sport.
Roy jones should have left after ruiz.
Benn should have left after Gman.
How many times or chances does a proffesional boxer get to have a win in KO fashion that was timed so perfect it should be framed in a picture.
Walk away marquez and have the pefect finish that legends chavez or barrera never had.
Marquez beat the goddamn guy 3 times in my view, and 4 times in the view of others, and now he scored the biggest, most decisive win you possibly could over the guy. Time to close that chapter of his career and move on to something else.
Well he sorta owes pac-man at least 1 rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Som
I think JMM does owe Pac Man a rematch because Manny did not have to fight him that often. Obviously Manny did it for money but JMM will not get that kind of money anywhere else. Lets face it the 5th fight is intriguing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosWell he sorta owes pac-man at least 1 rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Som
The 3rd pac vs marquez fight was the fight the pac camp were going to enjoy the most.
Alez ariza said:- "even God cant save marquez in this fight"
Freddie, pac and ariza all thought a new, improved and younger pac would destroy this marquez forever.
Marquez took the risk and many thought he won the 3rd fight.
The 4th fight removed all doubts about who the top dog was between these two.
Manny never gave it to him on the notion that Marquez deserved the rematch due to being screwed by the judges, he gave the rematch because Marquez publicly would express how he was screwed by the judges, basically putting pressure on Manny to give in and give the rematch, yet he always did it when he always felt he would have an advantage, either in weight, age, or well location, IMO Marquez is Pacquiao's karma, and given his past in cherry picking karma came and dropped him on his assQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think JMM does owe Pac Man a rematch because Manny did not have to fight him that often. Obviously Manny did it for money but JMM will not get that kind of money anywhere else. Lets face it the 5th fight is intriguing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosWell he sorta owes pac-man at least 1 rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Som
Wait... If Manny had convincingly beaten (let alone KOd) JMM, Pac fans think that he still would have given him rematches?
Would he fuck.
As meaningless as it is historically at this point those thinking it happens anyway because of the cash are most likely right. How many times did Chacon fight Limon? How many times did Robinson fight Lamotta? How many times did Greb fight Tunney? It may not make any sense but it still makes cents.
Speaking of cents I would like to digress for a moment and lament the end of the Canadian penny.;D
R.I.P the Canadian penny.
R.I.P. Penny
And R.I.P. this thread. All that needed to be said, has been said.
Rhyming accidentally.
Listen, you don't have to like Pacquiao, but doesn't every fighter want an advantage when they go into a tough fight? I've never heard of a fighter trying purposefully to give another fighter an advantage. It would be a bit absurd. Heck, Manny's arch-nemisis, Floyd, came into his fight with Marquez above the contacted weight. Leverage is the name of the game. Blaming Pacquiao for using his world-wide popularity is wrong at best, and mostly just besides the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesManny never gave it to him on the notion that Marquez deserved the rematch due to being screwed by the judges, he gave the rematch because Marquez publicly would express how he was screwed by the judges, basically putting pressure on Manny to give in and give the rematch, yet he always did it when he always felt he would have an advantage, either in weight, age, or well location, IMO Marquez is Pacquiao's karma, and given his past in cherry picking karma came and dropped him on his assQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think JMM does owe Pac Man a rematch because Manny did not have to fight him that often. Obviously Manny did it for money but JMM will not get that kind of money anywhere else. Lets face it the 5th fight is intriguing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosWell he sorta owes pac-man at least 1 rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Som
Before his third fight with Marquez, were the other two fights with Marquez blow outs? No. They were tough, hard-fought battles. In my opinion, there wasn't a clear victor in either of them. I may have been in the minority, but I said it before his third fight, when people were giving him crap for taking on Marquez again, that Marquez just has always had his number. Some great fighters have their kryptonite, Pacquiao has his in Marquez. Pacquiao succumed to pressure from the public for a FOURTH Marquez fight? Pacquiao is the one with the drawing power! Pacquiao fought Timothy Bradley and he sold close to a million ppv's.
Marquez doesn't want to avenge his loss to Mayweather. He publicly stated it. He doesn't want to face a tough welterweight/junior welterweight. He never has done it before. The ONLY lucrative fight for Marquez out there right now, taking into consideration the risk/reward ratio, and assuming he fights on, is Pacquiao.
When it cost 1.06p to make 1p then your days are numbered. I remember the ½ pence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Som
Manny may be happy and may want to face Bradley instead. However Manny will want to avenge that humiliating loss very soon after his come back fight.