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World Boxing News - Miguel Cotto set to return in the fall, makes promotional announcement
I wonder who Cotto will fight in his return, I love watching Cotto, I wonder how long he will fight on now for? I was gutted he lost to Trout, but I still think he beats most fighters at 154.
I feel Cotto shouldn't stick around much longer at all. With his style and frame, fighting above his natural weight etc he just won't be nearly the same animal and stands to get hurt against certain guys. I'm fairly certain Canelo would do a real number on him, hope we don't see that discussed again.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Agreed although when I read the thread title I immediately thought of the calender and Alvarez. That will probably be the fight and I have to say that the style of Alvarez is far more suited to Cotto's then the Austin Trouts of the world. Not sure how they justify the fight given recent history but its not as if this kind of thing has never been done before.
I wish he would retire. I know no fighter wants to go out on a loss like that but he has nothing more to prove or accomplish and will only take more damage serving as a 'name'. That comes from a place of respect and not dislike. The signs were there. He is far too good to serve as some padded toddlers stepping stone.
How is it my sig with a pic of my dog after posting in this thread has now been removed?
Edit: Sorry man PB F&*^'D up'
Cotto can beat Alvarez.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
It only shows your sig for the first post in any thread I believe. Sweet pup as well, what kind?
oh so now its Miguel The Real Deal Cotto-field, unable to retire and still thinkin he got somepin lef' in de tank mon. Maybe Livingstone Bramble can come back too.:wackomz4:
I gathered that bro but I saw the PB removal tag. Bugs me cause he's my dog and its my account. I have hundreds of pictures of him and his sister who do not even look like they are from the same litter.Quote:
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
It only shows your sig for the first post in any thread I believe. Sweet pup as well, what kind?
Karelian bear dog.
I'd still like to see Cotto fight ginger boy. (Canelo) Trout fought the fight of his life and was much bigger than Miguel, Alvarez will be more his size. I like Cotto's chances if this fight happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I like cotto...but
Cotto should retire. Im tired of seeing his face getting all beaten up and his family embarressed.
Cotto career changed after margocheato as he was robbed because of the fact that a cheat prospered.
Cotto has nothing left to prove and should just call it a day.
I would like to see Cotto fight 1 or 2 fights and retire. Maybe fight James Kirkland I believe Cotto would stop him and he can take on Cornelius Bundrage and retire with the IBF strapped on. I think Canelo vs Cotto would also be good but wouldn't like it to happen I like both fighters but Canelo would most likely stop Cotto now at this stage in his career.
Cotto is a class act but he is too small to be an effective light middleweight against the very best. Fighters like Terry Norris and Mike McCallum. Cotto can still win a title but he will not be the best at the weight.
Will Cotto live with that? I believe Saul would beat him. Cotto will still try and get back in the mix to fight Canelo.
Truth is, time is not on Cotto's side either. Cotto is obviously on the downside of his peak. He's not going to get any better. He's also got nothing to prove. He's taken on all comers and his list of opponents reads like a who's who of boxing. He'll be sorely missed.
Size I agree is not on his side either. I've always agreed and maintained that Cotto is too small for 154. His height and reach are more tailor-made for 147. He's given us some good matches at 154, but that is not his best weight.
Add to that the wars that Cotto has been through and yeah... I see maybe 1 to 2 more fights in his future, and then sadly I think he should consider retiring.
He should retire IMO.
Unfortunately I think the first Margarito fight took a lot out of him and nobody is going to convince me Cheato didn't use illegal wraps in that fight.
Cotto is humble. He trains very hard and has to fighting at light middle. I do not think he could go down to welter either. He just has to get the boxing out of his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Ahhhhhgh...but I still believe in him!
The Budrage/ Smith winner would be a good opponent
Easy way to pick up a trinket & get back in the mix with the elite of the division
I don't think Cotto is interested in the weakest trinket in the division. Ishe will probably beat Cornelius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I still think we will see Cotto/Alvarez at the near end of this year regardless of Trout. The winner of Smith and K9 is actually a step back. I just don't see him doing that.
He was vs ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI don't think Cotto is interested in the weakest trinket in the division. Ishe will probably beat Cornelius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I still think we will see Cotto/Alvarez at the near end of this year regardless of Trout. The winner of Smith and K9 is actually a step back. I just don't see him doing that.
Not saying it will happen, but he needs a win under his belt & to get his confidence back after the Trout fight
Yuri could not crack and egg and was a way for Cotto to break into the division via Arum. Things are quite different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyHe was vs ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI don't think Cotto is interested in the weakest trinket in the division. Ishe will probably beat Cornelius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I still think we will see Cotto/Alvarez at the near end of this year regardless of Trout. The winner of Smith and K9 is actually a step back. I just don't see him doing that.
Not saying it will happen, but he needs a win under his belt & to get his confidence back after the Trout fight
I see what you are saying bud and would normally agree if it was not so late in the day for Cotto. You could very well be right but should K9 win and being an Arum fighter Bob might say no because Cotto did not renew his slave contract.
Alvarez will fight in May and Cotto will return in the fall. Cotto/Alvarez at MSG.
Don't get me wrong I'd still like to see Alvarez/ CottoQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYuri could not crack and egg and was a way for Cotto to break into the division via Arum. Things are quite different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyHe was vs ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI don't think Cotto is interested in the weakest trinket in the division. Ishe will probably beat Cornelius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I still think we will see Cotto/Alvarez at the near end of this year regardless of Trout. The winner of Smith and K9 is actually a step back. I just don't see him doing that.
Not saying it will happen, but he needs a win under his belt & to get his confidence back after the Trout fight
I see what you are saying bud and would normally agree if it was not so late in the day for Cotto. You could very well be right but should K9 win and being an Arum fighter Bob might say no because Cotto did not renew his slave contract.
Alvarez will fight in May and Cotto will return in the fall. Cotto/Alvarez at MSG.
But are you saying you'd like Cotto to come back against Alvarez?
I'd prefer him to face someone like Bundrage/ Smith, maybe a Kirkland type, even Rosado; a fight that he looks good in
Guys like Lara, Molina won't make him look good imo
No that is not what I am saying but I'm saying in this market this is perhaps Cotto's last fight. He's not going to fight Kirkland or Lara. This tune up stuff gets in the way at this stage. He does not need a tune-up. That is part of this pampered world of twice a year fighters that might lose ergo in need of a tit response. Lets just put him in with a no hoper and waste a year of his life in order to gain his confidence back. How about just handing him a diaper?Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyDon't get me wrong I'd still like to see Alvarez/ CottoQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYuri could not crack and egg and was a way for Cotto to break into the division via Arum. Things are quite different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyHe was vs ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI don't think Cotto is interested in the weakest trinket in the division. Ishe will probably beat Cornelius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I still think we will see Cotto/Alvarez at the near end of this year regardless of Trout. The winner of Smith and K9 is actually a step back. I just don't see him doing that.
Not saying it will happen, but he needs a win under his belt & to get his confidence back after the Trout fight
I see what you are saying bud and would normally agree if it was not so late in the day for Cotto. You could very well be right but should K9 win and being an Arum fighter Bob might say no because Cotto did not renew his slave contract.
Alvarez will fight in May and Cotto will return in the fall. Cotto/Alvarez at MSG.
But are you saying you'd like Cotto to come back against Alvarez?
I'd prefer him to face someone like Bundrage/ Smith, maybe a Kirkland type, even Rosado; a fight that he looks good in
Guys like Lara, Molina won't make him look good imo
A win over Bundrage/ Smith gets him a trinket, a bargaining tool, gets his confidence back (he's 0-2), it's a very winnable fight against either guy & fools the public into thinking he is back to his best because he would undoubtedly dominate in fine fashion
I don't see Alvarez/ Cotto happening in May, although I would like to see it happen, so I would prefer Cotto to take a fight in the interim & if Mayweather/ Alvarez can't get things done for September then he could become the leading choice for Canelo
He is not interested in K9'S trinket at this point of his career. He is a long year away from retirement. He does not need a trinket.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
What do you want him to do then? Fight Canelo in May?
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Originally Posted by GalaxyIf you say soQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
What do you want him to do then? Fight Canelo in May?
That is my opinion so cut the arrogant cloak as a question shit.
I already said what I said and put it to the fall.
What's your issue son? Have I sworn at you? We're just debating here mate.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GalaxyIf you say soQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
What do you want him to do then? Fight Canelo in May?
That is my opinion so cut the arrogant cloak as a question shit.
I already said what I said and put it to the fall.
I live in New Zealand so have no idea what fall is, I'm guessing it's September?!
If that's the case you'd want Cotto to be inactive until then?
That's cool if that's your opinion, but my opinion is he should stay active if he can't get Alvarez in May
I also feel Canelo should fight Trout in may, why waste his time on Cotto Who Trout clearly beat!
Look you think that he will come back with a soft touch and I don’t. That’s it period. Savvy? Don’t ever tell me what I’m saying.
Bro I'm not telling you anything, just trying to ascertain what your sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Trout already cleaned Cotto out & made him irrelevant!
You should go hang out with the folks on ESB
Saddo's is above all that crap!
I do not think Diaz is the problem, Cotto has fought really well under him and Diaz has got the best out of him. The opponents just have been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Perhaps cotto should start his own weight divison...as theres always an excuse why he seems to loose whether its at 154 or 147.
Cotto was good enough in both weight classes but is mentally damaged after margarito.
Funny... not once have I heard an excuse come out of Cotto's mouth for losing. Not even when he got hammered by Margarito's plaster casts. He's also been willing to fight at catch weights requested by other fighters (ie: Pacquiao). Don't know what the big deal is.
Agree except for Margarito IQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think Diaz is the problem, Cotto has fought really well under him and Diaz has got the best out of him. The opponents just have been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Which is why he won that one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyAgree except for Margarito IQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think Diaz is the problem, Cotto has fought really well under him and Diaz has got the best out of him. The opponents just have been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Cotto has been very willing but others have made excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto was never the same after that fight with margarito.
The real crime is that margarito, the trainer and bob arum arent in jail.
Luis resto part 2
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Originally Posted by impCotto has been very willing but others have made excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto was never the same after that fight with margarito.
The real crime is that margarito, the trainer and bob arum arent in jail.
Luis resto part 2
Very true. You could also argue that Margarito got hit by big time karma in his fight with Pacquaio, when he got his eye socket shattered (albeit completely legally). The one-year slap on the wrist Margarito received for the plaster incident was shameful. And Jose Sulaiman was bellyaching the whole time. Even more disgraceful.
Its not enough for me tito, just think of all the other careers he might have ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by impCotto has been very willing but others have made excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto was never the same after that fight with margarito.
The real crime is that margarito, the trainer and bob arum arent in jail.
Luis resto part 2
Very true. You could also argue that Margarito got hit by big time karma in his fight with Pacquaio, when he got his eye socket shattered (albeit completely legally). The one-year slap on the wrist Margarito received for the plaster incident was shameful. And Jose Sulaiman was bellyaching the whole time. Even more disgraceful.
When margarito beat martinez many moons ago he was probably cheating then?! At least it was early in sergio career and he could get over it.
Cotto should fight the overrated canelo and just call it a day..154 is his weightclass..just like there are big and litttle heavyweights or welterweights, cotto has to accept sometimes being smaller can play to your advantage.
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Originally Posted by impIts not enough for me tito, just think of all the other careers he might have ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by impCotto has been very willing but others have made excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto was never the same after that fight with margarito.
The real crime is that margarito, the trainer and bob arum arent in jail.
Luis resto part 2
Very true. You could also argue that Margarito got hit by big time karma in his fight with Pacquaio, when he got his eye socket shattered (albeit completely legally). The one-year slap on the wrist Margarito received for the plaster incident was shameful. And Jose Sulaiman was bellyaching the whole time. Even more disgraceful.
When margarito beat martinez many moons ago he was probably cheating then?! At least it was early in sergio career and he could get over it.
Cotto should fight the overrated canelo and just call it a day..154 is his weightclass..just like there are big and litttle heavyweights or welterweights, cotto has to accept sometimes being smaller can play to your advantage.
I'd love to see Cotto fight and beat Canelo. But the clock is ticking and definitely not on Cotto's side. If it's not the next fight, then the chances of Cotto pulling it off diminish significantly, IMO. :-\
Cotto needs to go to canelo body early and expose this golden hype whos scared s£&tless of trout.