Is he a marmite type of fighter?
Is anyone rooting for him in his next fight?
What are your thoughts on trout?
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Is he a marmite type of fighter?
Is anyone rooting for him in his next fight?
What are your thoughts on trout?
Trout is a likable/humble pug and a world class Pro, but he's yet to be really put to the test. His fight with Canelo will tell us a lot about him, should he win that fight convincingly we may have a new star in the making, should he lose he goes to the back of the pack @154.
One of the knocks I hear against Alvarez from the people backing Trout is he hasn't beaten a name fighter who was in his prime. I trying to figuere out what name fighter Trout has beaten that was still in his prime
He's a good pure boxer and all but something about him is missing and im never fully satisfied watching him fight..
He's ok..
I'll say it again, if the Trout shows up who beat Cotto we will see a real fight. If the Trout shows up who beat Rodriguez it could be a real boring affair.
Cotto might not have been in his prime but he took the #1 fighter in the world to the brink in his fight prior to facing Trout!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The Cotto that Trout fought is better than Lopez, Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, Rhodes, Ndou & Baldomir put together
I don't see the point your trying to make!?
Cotto was competitive against Mayweather. But the outcome was never in doubt. To say he took him to the brink is really stretching it. Actually it's just plain false. Jose Luis Castillo is the only fighter to push Mayeweather to the brink. Cotto just put up a fight. It was his last great effort. The Cotto that fought Trout would of been knocked out by Alvarez. Trout gets some credit for beating Cotto. But no need to go over boardQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCotto might not have been in his prime but he took the #1 fighter in the world to the brink in his fight prior to facing Trout!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The Cotto that Trout fought is better than Lopez, Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, Rhodes, Ndou & Baldomir put together
I don't see the point your trying to make!?
Where does it leave trout if he beats canelo? Can he move up?
I'll root for Trout because he's the underdog and I have a soft spot for the underdog, but do I think he's anything special? No. Someone in another thread alluded that he would beat Mayweather. Sometimes you just gotta shake your head...
I'm a pretty big fan of Trout. Thought he would beat Cotto. Think he would give anyone at 154 a problem, even if he loses to Canelo. I like him to beat Canelo, mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I don't think it makes sense to move up in weight if he beats Canelo. For one, there could be a rematch if he won. Two, Canelo is the guy that Mayweather wants next so if Trout beats him he may land a historic pay day with Money. Three, there are other competitive fights to be made at 154, outside Canelo and Mayweather, like Rosado, Martirosyan, Lara, Smith-Bundrage winner etc.
If he wins, Trout would be Canelo's best win BY FAR.
Come on cuz, maybe "The brink" was the wrong word... but Mayweather in no way had it easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto was competitive against Mayweather. But the outcome was never in doubt. To say he took him to the brink is really stretching it. Actually it's just plain false. Jose Luis Castillo is the only fighter to push Mayeweather to the brink. Cotto just put up a fight. It was his last great effort. The Cotto that fought Trout would of been knocked out by Alvarez. Trout gets some credit for beating Cotto. But no need to go over boardQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCotto might not have been in his prime but he took the #1 fighter in the world to the brink in his fight prior to facing Trout!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The Cotto that Trout fought is better than Lopez, Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, Rhodes, Ndou & Baldomir put together
I don't see the point your trying to make!?
Floyd got hit cleanly in that fight than in many of his previous bouts, bar the Mosley right
I'm pretty sure there were only a couple of rounds in it when I watched it
Sure the Castillo fight is debatable, but that was the hardest Mayweather has had to work since Castillo
The Cotto that lost to Trout probably still beats Alvarez...
prefer swordfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I actually believe that Trout would present Mayweather with a good challenge. He's a natural junior middleweight, who is rangy, a southpaw, in good condition, and in his prime. He performed distinctly better against Cotto than Mayweather.
The cotto that lost to trout probably beats Alvarez? What are you basing this on? WowQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCome on cuz, maybe "The brink" was the wrong word... but Mayweather in no way had it easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto was competitive against Mayweather. But the outcome was never in doubt. To say he took him to the brink is really stretching it. Actually it's just plain false. Jose Luis Castillo is the only fighter to push Mayeweather to the brink. Cotto just put up a fight. It was his last great effort. The Cotto that fought Trout would of been knocked out by Alvarez. Trout gets some credit for beating Cotto. But no need to go over boardQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCotto might not have been in his prime but he took the #1 fighter in the world to the brink in his fight prior to facing Trout!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The Cotto that Trout fought is better than Lopez, Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, Rhodes, Ndou & Baldomir put together
I don't see the point your trying to make!?
Floyd got hit cleanly in that fight than in many of his previous bouts, bar the Mosley right
I'm pretty sure there were only a couple of rounds in it when I watched it
Sure the Castillo fight is debatable, but that was the hardest Mayweather has had to work since Castillo
The Cotto that lost to Trout probably still beats Alvarez...
I wanna jump in this little debate and clarify some things..
First of all, Cotto never took floyd to the " brink ".. haha c'mon seriously. That's such an exaggeration..
The thing is, Floyd fought down to Cotto's level and his style and pretty much fought in the pocket througout the fight yet Cotto still couldnt damage him..
Just as Floyd did against Mosley, he fought Cotto's fight and still kicked ass!! That's what's so great about floyd.. He fought out of his comfort zone and he still toyed with cotto..
The only fighter who took Floyd to the edge was none other than Castillo..
What Cotto did was nowhere near what Castillo did and that was against a young Floyd..
I have Puerto Rican buddies who always claim that nonsense and i always laugh hard..
Floyd was never in any type of danger when he fought Cotto..In fact he was so comfortable, dude didnt view Cotto as any kind of threat that he decided to sit in the pockets which was so unlike him...
Cotto didn't do nothing... OScar Delahoya was more effective against Floyd than Cotto ever was..
Here I thought that species was extinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustprefer swordfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I do. Hes earned his spot and has a spoiling shifty style that I don't mind. His win over Lopez was respectable and he grabbed an oppurtunity and stepped up his game over Cotto who was off giving Mayweather a solid fight and would undoubtedly be seen worthy enough for a title shot if a judge or two had been on the bong during he and Trout. For a minute there was mention and concern that he would still get the fight regardless of the loss :-X
Trout is the perfect style and an off brand and solid preview to what he can expect from a Mayweather, should he not lose. Hes certainly no Floyd, but hes much more of a complete package hitting his stride than anything Canelo has faced in a very long time. I think its a coin flip right this very moment.
My unbiased view is that Mayweather beat Cotto with ease. Cotto took a few rounds, possibly 4, but Mayweather still won comfortably. On the other hand, over the last couple of years, I thought Cotto gave Mayweather his most difficult fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
From a different angle, in my opinion, Margarito, with possible cement in his gloves the first time, and without the possible cement the second time, roughed Cotto up more than Mayweather.
Back to Trout though, he started off as a -300 to Canelo. This is a more even fight in my opinion that those odds suggest.
The guy has amazing ability and his punch variety will put canelos to shame.
Both similar work rates in my opinions.
I'm a bit concerned, Why would Golden boy put Canelo vs Trout? Now I actually think its a wonderful idea for both fighters. But why would Golden boy do this freely? I smell a fix.
Just showing how easy it is to say sh*t!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThe cotto that lost to trout probably beats Alvarez? What are you basing this on? WowQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCome on cuz, maybe "The brink" was the wrong word... but Mayweather in no way had it easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto was competitive against Mayweather. But the outcome was never in doubt. To say he took him to the brink is really stretching it. Actually it's just plain false. Jose Luis Castillo is the only fighter to push Mayeweather to the brink. Cotto just put up a fight. It was his last great effort. The Cotto that fought Trout would of been knocked out by Alvarez. Trout gets some credit for beating Cotto. But no need to go over boardQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCotto might not have been in his prime but he took the #1 fighter in the world to the brink in his fight prior to facing Trout!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The Cotto that Trout fought is better than Lopez, Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, Rhodes, Ndou & Baldomir put together
I don't see the point your trying to make!?
Floyd got hit cleanly in that fight than in many of his previous bouts, bar the Mosley right
I'm pretty sure there were only a couple of rounds in it when I watched it
Sure the Castillo fight is debatable, but that was the hardest Mayweather has had to work since Castillo
The Cotto that lost to Trout probably still beats Alvarez...
There's a reason they fight the fights! No one knows for sure what will happen until they get in the ring...
For the record Cotto would still be one of the best fighters Alvarez has fought & I'd give him a good shot at victory!
Finito read my post, I said "brink" was probably the wrong word & explained what I meant
Take the time to read the thread
I just get annoyed with those that say Canelo will do this & that, but the fact is he ain't done jack! Sure he has definitely improved & grown as a fighter but he hasn't fought anyone decent yet.
Trout is the second best light middle with Canelo number 1, discounting Floyd out of this. Saul and Trout should fight and it is the best fight out there. Winner can take on Floyd at this unnatural weight for him against the bigger fighters. This is the only reason the fights are competitive against Floyd.
Come on now. Who you trying to fool with that? You're one of the few posters here who's posts I actually read and acknowledge. So I know for a fact you don't really believe that. Cotto looked slow and pridictable against Trout. Alvarez would of wrecked him. And I'm sure you know that. It's the reason he declined a fight with him recently. It wouldn't be much of a challenge. You like Trout. That's fine. He's a talented fighter. But I just don't see much in him. In terms of success I see Alvarez having a Julio Cesar Chavez, Juan Manuel Marquez type of career. For Trout I see a Maurice Blocker, William Joppy type of careerQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCome on cuz, maybe "The brink" was the wrong word... but Mayweather in no way had it easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto was competitive against Mayweather. But the outcome was never in doubt. To say he took him to the brink is really stretching it. Actually it's just plain false. Jose Luis Castillo is the only fighter to push Mayeweather to the brink. Cotto just put up a fight. It was his last great effort. The Cotto that fought Trout would of been knocked out by Alvarez. Trout gets some credit for beating Cotto. But no need to go over boardQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyCotto might not have been in his prime but he took the #1 fighter in the world to the brink in his fight prior to facing Trout!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The Cotto that Trout fought is better than Lopez, Mosley, Cintron, Gomez, Rhodes, Ndou & Baldomir put together
I don't see the point your trying to make!?
Floyd got hit cleanly in that fight than in many of his previous bouts, bar the Mosley right
I'm pretty sure there were only a couple of rounds in it when I watched it
Sure the Castillo fight is debatable, but that was the hardest Mayweather has had to work since Castillo
The Cotto that lost to Trout probably still beats Alvarez...
Yeah Trout does seem like a bit of a wet leaf. But he is talented.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Claiming Floyd fought "down to Cotto's level" is 10 times the exaggeration you claim the word "brink" is. Don't let your disdain of Cotto color your judgement. Most people who saw the fight know Cotto gave his toughest test in many years. Floyd fans and/or Cotto haters expected Floyd to just walk through Cotto. It didn't happen that way. Personally, I readily admitted to Cotto's defeat as the fight was concluding. I don't let bias color my judgement. And this "sitting in the pocket" analogy is just ridiculous. Been watching too much football (or listening to Teddy Atlas).
He totally fought down to Cotto's level to try to make a more exciting fight (like he mentioned). I love Cotto, but he's not (and never was) near Floyd's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe totally fought down to Cotto's level to try to make a more exciting fight (like he mentioned). I love Cotto, but he's not (and never was) near Floyd's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I hope you, Finito, and VD don't mind... if I'd rather hear it from the main source.
;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BozR6tnHUno
This fought down to Cotto's level is laughable
I don't know many people that go to work & decide to have a tough day by choice...
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Originally Posted by Galaxy
I guess Floyd let himself get bruised and bloodied on purpose, just to give the crowd a good show.
What a guy. :rolleyes:
I said the outcome of the fight was never in doubt. I never said Mayweather fought down to Cotto's level. Those are two different things, stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe totally fought down to Cotto's level to try to make a more exciting fight (like he mentioned). I love Cotto, but he's not (and never was) near Floyd's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I hope you, Finito, and VD don't mind... if I'd rather hear it from the main source.
;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BozR6tnHUno
I had the fight 117-111 Mayweather. What you score it?
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI said the outcome of the fight was never in doubt. I never said Mayweather fought down to Cotto's level. Those are two different things, stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe totally fought down to Cotto's level to try to make a more exciting fight (like he mentioned). I love Cotto, but he's not (and never was) near Floyd's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I hope you, Finito, and VD don't mind... if I'd rather hear it from the main source.
;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BozR6tnHUno
I had the fight 117-111 Mayweather. What you score it?
Not too much different, dumbass. 116-112.
I thought De la Hoya was very competitive in the Mayweather fight and took him to "the brink" in the SD win for May. But then again I might be BIAS.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Trout's southpaw style will give Alvarez nightmares! He ain't never fought a significant southpaw.
I also feel Trout is very good at creating distance, couple that with his jab & I see him frustrating Canelo & disrupting his combos
I feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Fair enough that's opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
But are the Canelo fans worried that he has never been tested against a decent southpaw?
Cause Trout is all kinds of difficult...
I have been converted and have slowly been impressed with Saul. GBP want him to be the next big thing in boxing and so they have to step him up against better competition. If Saul wants to become a PPV star he has to fight the best out there to prove it. This is the right time and he stands to become the first man to beat Floyd if he beats Trout convincingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyFair enough that's opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
But are the Canelo fans worried that he has never been tested against a decent southpaw?
Cause Trout is all kinds of difficult...
I have also noted Canelo's gradual improvementQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI have been converted and have slowly been impressed with Saul. GBP want him to be the next big thing in boxing and so they have to step him up against better competition. If Saul wants to become a PPV star he has to fight the best out there to prove it. This is the right time and he stands to become the first man to beat Floyd if he beats Trout convincingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyFair enough that's opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
But are the Canelo fans worried that he has never been tested against a decent southpaw?
Cause Trout is all kinds of difficult...
But again the only lefty I can think of him fighting was Rhodes
I do not think he is particularly vulnerable to southpaws, he has to fight all types of opponents and develop quickly. If he is to have any chance of fighting Floyd he has to beat Trout convincingly to generate interest in their fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI have also noted Canelo's gradual improvementQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI have been converted and have slowly been impressed with Saul. GBP want him to be the next big thing in boxing and so they have to step him up against better competition. If Saul wants to become a PPV star he has to fight the best out there to prove it. This is the right time and he stands to become the first man to beat Floyd if he beats Trout convincingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyFair enough that's opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
But are the Canelo fans worried that he has never been tested against a decent southpaw?
Cause Trout is all kinds of difficult...
But again the only lefty I can think of him fighting was Rhodes
Trout is faced with a younger version of Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I have a few issues with CaneloQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI feel Saul will be too strong for Trout and walk through him. Canelo will win on points at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
- Goes to sleep in rounds for well over a minute
- Can be easily hit
- Though he cuts off the ring well enough, he can't really punch on the move
- Lacks a credible jab
Of the four I listed I believe his lack of offensive output and lack of a good jab will get him spanked in the early rounds and he has to climb out of a big scoring hole later on in the fight just to break even. Also I really think he might have a stamina problem.