Can Juanma Lopez beat Takashi Uchiyama?

It's weird because I was never a fan of Juanma until I saw him lose to Salido for the second time..

Even in defeat, what touched my heart was how he handled himself during the fight. He came out with a plan to box but when that didnt work, he said the hell with this crap and went back to his brawling mode.. Dude was getting tagged constantly in the first half of the fight so for him to start brawling takes mad cojones. To make a decision like that in the middle of a fight takes a huge heart and that fight got me choked up for some reason.. That performance turned me into a Juanma fan forever!!

People say Juanma is done but I say that's bullshit cuz dude is still young and only has two losses by the same opponent! It could simply be a case of a fighter having the number of another fighter so whose to say that Juanma is finished? Physically he's fine imo, it's just in his mindset..

Juanma claims that he still wants to fight Gamboa and i actually think it's a winnable one considering how Gamboa has a shitty defense and gets tagged and dropped by almost everybody he fights.

What if Juanma were to go to Japan to take Takashi's title?? that would really put him on the map again..

And remember when Caballero wanted to face him so badly?? Who wins today??

How many of u are fans of this bad ass Rican Juanma??

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Dude I just poured my heart out and you're just gonna reply with a simple NO? lol

U better elaborate. U think Juanma is done?

I still root for JuanMa to win. He's got enough heart for two fighters, putting to bed VD's moronic comments nobody pays attention to anyway. But back to JuanMa, he needs to pull a Cotto. That is, he needs to reinvent himself to make himself better.... maybe get himself a better trainer. He's got the power, and he's got the boxing skills in there somewhere. That's how he first started out, fighting smart. Short, powerful punches.... attention to defense.... methodical approach to taking his opponents apart. Then he fell in love with his own power, and forgot the rest. Plus, fighting in Puerto Rico is never good for him. He forgets strategy and goes for the impressive knockout, egged on by the crowd.

I root for him to win, but he's got to change his mindset.

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Dude I just poured my heart out and you're just gonna reply with a simple NO? lol

U better elaborate. U think Juanma is done?

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Don't think Lopez is done, he's just not elite!

He can still make for some entertaining fights

Uchiyama is a beast & imo he destroys Juanma

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I still root for JuanMa to win. He's got enough heart for two fighters, putting to bed VD's moronic comments nobody pays attention to anyway. But back to JuanMa, he needs to pull a Cotto. That is, he needs to reinvent himself to make himself better.... maybe get himself a better trainer. He's got the power, and he's got the boxing skills in there somewhere. That's how he first started out, fighting smart. Short, powerful punches.... attention to defense.... methodical approach to taking his opponents apart. Then he fell in love with his own power, and forgot the rest. Plus, fighting in Puerto Rico is never good for him. He forgets strategy and goes for the impressive knockout, egged on by the crowd.

I root for him to win, but he's got to change his mindset.

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Like always you post a bunch of irrelevant bullshit that nobody gives a fuck about and fail to answer the actual question. Anyway, the answer is no. Uchiyama is a very underrated fighter. He's on another level than Lopez. Lopez would get slaughtered

Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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I still root for JuanMa to win. He's got enough heart for two fighters, putting to bed VD's moronic comments nobody pays attention to anyway. But back to JuanMa, he needs to pull a Cotto. That is, he needs to reinvent himself to make himself better.... maybe get himself a better trainer. He's got the power, and he's got the boxing skills in there somewhere. That's how he first started out, fighting smart. Short, powerful punches.... attention to defense.... methodical approach to taking his opponents apart. Then he fell in love with his own power, and forgot the rest. Plus, fighting in Puerto Rico is never good for him. He forgets strategy and goes for the impressive knockout, egged on by the crowd.

I root for him to win, but he's got to change his mindset.

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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You cant get much more objective then that ^^

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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You even see his last fight? What tools you think he still has? Stop sucking his dick already and accept the fact that Lopez is done as a championship fighter. Lopez himself knows it. it's the reason his dumbass is still trying to talk up a fight with Gamoba. A fight in which he would get slaughter. He's looking to cash out

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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I still root for JuanMa to win. He's got enough heart for two fighters, putting to bed VD's moronic comments nobody pays attention to anyway. But back to JuanMa, he needs to pull a Cotto. That is, he needs to reinvent himself to make himself better.... maybe get himself a better trainer. He's got the power, and he's got the boxing skills in there somewhere. That's how he first started out, fighting smart. Short, powerful punches.... attention to defense.... methodical approach to taking his opponents apart. Then he fell in love with his own power, and forgot the rest. Plus, fighting in Puerto Rico is never good for him. He forgets strategy and goes for the impressive knockout, egged on by the crowd.

I root for him to win, but he's got to change his mindset.

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Cotto may be a wiser fighter than Juanma but that's where it ends..

He doesn't have the heart and the balls of steel of Juanma. No Homo btw.

Cotto is sort of like a half buster, even got on his knees in the face of Margarito. And dude has a history of getting on his bike or resorting to some other BS when the going gets tough.

Juanma on the other hand is all gangster man.. He has no bitch in him.

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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I still root for JuanMa to win. He's got enough heart for two fighters, putting to bed VD's moronic comments nobody pays attention to anyway. But back to JuanMa, he needs to pull a Cotto. That is, he needs to reinvent himself to make himself better.... maybe get himself a better trainer. He's got the power, and he's got the boxing skills in there somewhere. That's how he first started out, fighting smart. Short, powerful punches.... attention to defense.... methodical approach to taking his opponents apart. Then he fell in love with his own power, and forgot the rest. Plus, fighting in Puerto Rico is never good for him. He forgets strategy and goes for the impressive knockout, egged on by the crowd.

I root for him to win, but he's got to change his mindset.

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Who are you really trying to convince:-\

Anyways, no. Lopez absolutely does have balls but that's not going to get him anywhere from here, he's a stupid fighter who would've already made some major adjustments if he was ever going to.

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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I still root for JuanMa to win. He's got enough heart for two fighters, putting to bed VD's moronic comments nobody pays attention to anyway. But back to JuanMa, he needs to pull a Cotto. That is, he needs to reinvent himself to make himself better.... maybe get himself a better trainer. He's got the power, and he's got the boxing skills in there somewhere. That's how he first started out, fighting smart. Short, powerful punches.... attention to defense.... methodical approach to taking his opponents apart. Then he fell in love with his own power, and forgot the rest. Plus, fighting in Puerto Rico is never good for him. He forgets strategy and goes for the impressive knockout, egged on by the crowd.

I root for him to win, but he's got to change his mindset.

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Cotto may be a wiser fighter than Juanma but that's where it ends..

He doesn't have the heart and the balls of steel of Juanma. No Homo btw.

Cotto is sort of like a half buster, even got on his knees in the face of Margarito. And dude has a history of getting on his bike or resorting to some other BS when the going gets tough.

Juanma on the other hand is all gangster man.. He has no bitch in him.

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Him accusing the ref of gambling was a straight up bitch move

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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You even see his last fight? What tools you think he still has? Stop sucking his dick already and accept the fact that Lopez is done as a championship fighter. Lopez himself knows it. it's the reason his dumbass is still trying to talk up a fight with Gamoba. A fight in which he would get slaughter. He's looking to cash out

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The only dick-sucking done in this forum is by you, fucking moron. Have someone read the post to you again, dumbass. Unlike you, I'm capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. "Objectively". It includes both the good AND the bad. No need for a dictionary. You, on the other hand, shamelessly root for your ghetto Mexican fighters whether they cheat, quit, or otherwise embarrass themselves and the sport of boxing.

To answer your question, punk..... he's still got power. Is power a tool? Yes? Then get outta my face, gangsta wannabe. Limit yourself to what you know best..... absolutely nothing.

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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You even see his last fight? What tools you think he still has? Stop sucking his dick already and accept the fact that Lopez is done as a championship fighter. Lopez himself knows it. it's the reason his dumbass is still trying to talk up a fight with Gamoba. A fight in which he would get slaughter. He's looking to cash out

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The only dick-sucking done in this forum is by you, fucking moron. Have someone read the post to you again, dumbass. Unlike you, I'm capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. "Objectively". It includes both the good AND the bad. No need for a dictionary. You, on the other hand, shamelessly root for your ghetto Mexican fighters whether they cheat, quit, or otherwise embarrass themselves and the sport of boxing.

To answer your question, punk..... he's still got power. Is power a tool? Yes? Then get outta my face, gangsta wannabe. Limit yourself to what you know best..... absolutely nothing.

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Who was that fighter who got knocked the fuck out in his own backyard but wasn't man enough to take the loss that he decided to make up some bullshit story and blame the loss on the ref? Who was that again? Oh that's right. It was the fighter who's dick you're sucking right now. Juan Manuel Lopez. Yeah he made the sport of boxing look real good didn't he?

Enough with the lies already. You're not capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. If you were you would state what everybody already knows. Lopez is done as a fighter. That he will never be champion again and is better off retiring. You say he still has tools but all you do is name one tool. And it's a worn out tool at that. He's nowhere near the power hitter he once was. Nobody fears him any more. And it's gonna be worse for him if he goes up in wight. So what are the other tools he has?

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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You even see his last fight? What tools you think he still has? Stop sucking his dick already and accept the fact that Lopez is done as a championship fighter. Lopez himself knows it. it's the reason his dumbass is still trying to talk up a fight with Gamoba. A fight in which he would get slaughter. He's looking to cash out

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The only dick-sucking done in this forum is by you, fucking moron. Have someone read the post to you again, dumbass. Unlike you, I'm capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. "Objectively". It includes both the good AND the bad. No need for a dictionary. You, on the other hand, shamelessly root for your ghetto Mexican fighters whether they cheat, quit, or otherwise embarrass themselves and the sport of boxing.

To answer your question, punk..... he's still got power. Is power a tool? Yes? Then get outta my face, gangsta wannabe. Limit yourself to what you know best..... absolutely nothing.

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Who was that fighter who got knocked the fuck out in his own backyard but wasn't man enough to take the loss that he decided to make up some bullshit story and blame the loss on the ref? Who was that again? Oh that's right. It was the fighter who's dick you're sucking right now. Juan Manuel Lopez. Yeah he made the sport of boxing look real good didn't he?

Enough with the lies already. You're not capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. If you were you would state what everybody already knows. Lopez is done as a fighter. That he will never be champion again and is better off retiring. You say he still has tools but all you do is name one tool. And it's a worn out tool at that. He's nowhere near the power hitter he once was. Nobody fears him any more. And it's gonna be worse for him if he goes up in wight. So what are the other tools he has?

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You mention "dick-sucking" a bit too much. I'm just gonna leave it at that.
To each his own. ;)

Go back and have someone read you my posts when JuanMa berated (look it up) the referee in the 2nd Salido fight. Then come back and talk some sense (we both know you're incapable of that). You'll see where I objectively criticize my local fighters when it's needed. But of course, you won't man up to that, 'cause you don't man up to anything. You rather spout your racist, ghetto bullshit. Don't you know your act has worn thin and now you're just viewed as a fucking clown? Who ELSE starts up "So-and-so boxer is gay" threads? Hmm... again with the dick-sucking.

You have your opinion of Lopez's future and I have mine. Mine is objective, and yours is filled with the same hate you reserve for all Puerto Rican fighters. Instead, you jerk off at the mention of Margacheato, little Chavez Jr...... and all the other Mexican fuckups you still choose to defend.

How come you don't answer that, fuckwad?

I don't see Lopez defeating Uchiyama at any stage from here

If Lopez goes back to the basics & stops looking for the KO I think he does ok

Too often he gets carried away & that's when he gets hit

130 is pretty light right now, I think he'd be competitive with the likes of Martinez, Salgado, Diaz or Thompson

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Juanma is trash and cannot pull a Cotto. Juan Ma got beat by a fighter he should of KO'd TWICE. Meanwhile Cotto got cheated by Margarito and then came back and whooped his ass in awesome style. Juan Ma isn't half the fighter Cotto was man. I think Juan Ma will be an average boxer kinda like a Marco Rubio. He'll be a good gate keeper.

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Yes he should have (beaten Salido). But JuanMa has not yet shown he can re-invent himself. I'm not counting him out yet, although the beatings he took were fearsome and may have left a lingering effect. But it's up to him. He's still got the tools. And again... unless he puts his career in the hands of a dominant, competent trainer.... I agree, he's going nowhere.

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You even see his last fight? What tools you think he still has? Stop sucking his dick already and accept the fact that Lopez is done as a championship fighter. Lopez himself knows it. it's the reason his dumbass is still trying to talk up a fight with Gamoba. A fight in which he would get slaughter. He's looking to cash out

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The only dick-sucking done in this forum is by you, fucking moron. Have someone read the post to you again, dumbass. Unlike you, I'm capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. "Objectively". It includes both the good AND the bad. No need for a dictionary. You, on the other hand, shamelessly root for your ghetto Mexican fighters whether they cheat, quit, or otherwise embarrass themselves and the sport of boxing.

To answer your question, punk..... he's still got power. Is power a tool? Yes? Then get outta my face, gangsta wannabe. Limit yourself to what you know best..... absolutely nothing.

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Who was that fighter who got knocked the fuck out in his own backyard but wasn't man enough to take the loss that he decided to make up some bullshit story and blame the loss on the ref? Who was that again? Oh that's right. It was the fighter who's dick you're sucking right now. Juan Manuel Lopez. Yeah he made the sport of boxing look real good didn't he?

Enough with the lies already. You're not capable of posting objectively on a local fighter. If you were you would state what everybody already knows. Lopez is done as a fighter. That he will never be champion again and is better off retiring. You say he still has tools but all you do is name one tool. And it's a worn out tool at that. He's nowhere near the power hitter he once was. Nobody fears him any more. And it's gonna be worse for him if he goes up in wight. So what are the other tools he has?

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You mention "dick-sucking" a bit too much. I'm just gonna leave it at that.
To each his own. ;)

Go back and have someone read you my posts when JuanMa berated (look it up) the referee in the 2nd Salido fight. Then come back and talk some sense (we both know you're incapable of that). You'll see where I objectively criticize my local fighters when it's needed. But of course, you won't man up to that, 'cause you don't man up to anything. You rather spout your racist, ghetto bullshit. Don't you know your act has worn thin and now you're just viewed as a fucking clown? Who ELSE starts up "So-and-so boxer is gay" threads? Hmm... again with the dick-sucking.

You have your opinion of Lopez's future and I have mine. Mine is objective, and yours is filled with the same hate you reserve for all Puerto Rican fighters. Instead, you jerk off at the mention of Margacheato, little Chavez Jr...... and all the other Mexican fuckups you still choose to defend.

How come you don't answer that, fuckwad?

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More irrelevant nonsense. It doesn't matter what you said or didn't say when Lopez did what he did. I don't give a fuck what you claimed to say. Cuz it's not even about that. It's the irony I found humorus. You know the one where you're dumbass tries to criticize someone for defendinng fighters you claim embarrass the sport of boxing while at the same time you're defending a boxer who not only embarrass the sport of boxing but his country as well. :LOLATYOU: It's just to easy with you

The fact that you couldn't name another tool (besides his declining power) that Lopez has didn't go unnoticed.

I dont know why some of ya make it seem like Juanma needs a miracle to beat Uchiayama.

Juanma has boxing skills unlike Uchiyama and if he utlilizes it intelligently, he can win..

Uchi is good but who has be beaten that makes him so dangerous?? He can be outboxed..

Juanma would beat the dogshit out of Gamboa and Id put money on that.

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I dont know why some of ya make it seem like Juanma needs a miracle to beat Uchiayama.

Juanma has boxing skills unlike Uchiyama and if he utlilizes it intelligently, he can win..

Uchi is good but who has be beaten that makes him so dangerous?? He can be outboxed..

Juanma would beat the dogshit out of Gamboa and Id put money on that.

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Possibly, but Lopez ain't the guy to do it

Lopez can be knocked out & would be!

Gamboa wrecks Lopez!

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More irrelevant nonsense. It doesn't matter what you said or didn't say when Lopez did what he did. I don't give a fuck what you claimed to say. Cuz it's not even about that. It's the irony I found humorus. You know the one where you're dumbass tries to criticize someone for defendinng fighters you claim embarrass the sport of boxing while at the same time you're defending a boxer who not only embarrass the sport of boxing but his country as well. :LOLATYOU: It's just to easy with you

The fact that you couldn't name another tool (besides his declining power) that Lopez has didn't go unnoticed.

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I'm pretty much through arguing with your racist, homophobic, ignorant, gangsta-wannabe ass. You don't man up to your comments when you fuck up, which is most of the time..... so I don't feel the need to answer your dumbass questions. Continue posting shit about Puerto Rican fighters, while meanwhile defending the riff-raff that's coming out of your ghetto.

I'll tell you one thing: I'd rather be defending the likes of JuanMa, Cotto, etc..... than to have to defend the cheating scumbags Margarito and Chavez Jr. It must put a hole in your gut to have to defend these scumbags..... unless of course you're just like them, in which case it doesn't bother you at all.

Here's the bottom line, punk: "Mexi-Cali" has had a string of unprofessional street punks come into boxing lately. Losers such as Chavez Jr., Margarito, Rios, and on and on. Meanwhile, what comes out of here is class. Rant about Lopez's comment all you want. While the comments were deplorable... it was done in the heat of the moment, after suffering an embarrassing hometown loss. At least I criticized his comments. Had it been a Mexican, you would've been all over his dick, using your favorite analogy. It's a pathetic double standard.... and EVERYone here knows you for it.

You're a punk ass clown. Talk all tough on the Internet, 'cause you probably get ripped a new asshole everytime you venture out into the real world. I actually feel sorry for your gangsta-wannabe ass.

Did VD really defend Margarito?

I can't say for sure but I'm sure he wouldn't have when plaster was found before the Mosley fight, Vd has more sense than that!

How did he defend Chavez Jr? For smoking weed? The guy lost anyway & in no way does that help your performance, plus he got a fine & a suspension I think, so if VD was defending the smoke I can understand, everyone has had a toke or 2 at some point. was it unprofessional? Sure but that's another issue

Just curious...

Yes, VD has defended Margarito. Or at least he hasn't criticized him like he likes to criticize P.R. fighters for much, much less. And the issue with JCC Jr. isn't just the weed. That's nothing. Junior has gotten suspended for banned substances related to his ridiculous weight gains after the weigh-ins. Just as much a cheater as those who use PEDs.

VD routinely uses the ol' double standard. His ridiculous claims labeling P.R. fighters as quitters conveniently ignore the worst Mexican quitting jobs of them all, like Oscar's quitting on his stool against the smaller Pacquaio.

He berates JuanMa for railing against the referee after the 2nd Salido fight.... but defends or refuses to acknowledge a scumbag like Rios, who routinely comes in overweight, to the detriment of boxing and his opponent.

I could ignore VD, given his cartoonish behavior and ridiculous, clownish comments. But I choose not to, because amazingly enough there are still a couple of people on here that still put some weight on some things the dickhead says.

He needs to know he doesn't have "carte blanche" to spout his racist comments against P.R. fighters, without getting some shit thrown back at his face.

I'm sure @Violent Demise would criticize Margarito for the plaster thing before the Mosley bout

I'm sure he also agree's Chavez Jr is a cheater for using Furosemide

Lets see what sort of man Vd is & just ask him


I think Lopez' comments were ridiculous & guys coming in over-weight is unprofessional

No sane person could defend Margo for what he tried to do against Mosley..

I think VD might have been misunderstood by some of you.. He knows what Margo did was disgraceful but he doesn't believe that Margo was plastered against Cotto as well..

Im on this boat. Margo got caught slippin and paid the price but that dont mean he did the same with Cotto when he divirgined him and made him submit on his knees. There is no evidence of that.

BUt the Ricans keep talking about this bullshit about how their man got cheated and all that yada instead of accepting defeat like men..

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I'm sure @Violent Demise would criticize Margarito for the plaster thing before the Mosley bout

I'm sure he also agree's Chavez Jr is a cheater for using Furosemide

Lets see what sort of man Vd is & just ask him


I think Lopez' comments were ridiculous & guys coming in over-weight is unprofessional

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I think you're giving VD too much credit, but whatever. Sure... he'll come in here and lie about it... downplaying the shit he shovels. But I've been in enough exchanges with the dude to know what his mind is made of. And it's nothing good. He's got 20 times more detractors than supporters. But again... whatever.

I feel personally Margarito may have used something in his gloves that 1st fight, but there is no proof so its irrelevant

Besides Cotto gave him a nice hiding in the return & pretty much retired Antonio, so I see no reason for Puerto Ricans worry...

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I feel personally Margarito may have used something in his gloves that 1st fight, but there is no proof so its irrelevant

Besides Cotto gave him a nice hiding in the return & pretty much retired Antonio, so I see no reason for Puerto Ricans worry...

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Yeah.... a fight the "unbiased" VD called "A Sad Day for Boxing" in a thread he immediately started.

So you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to the "VD is a rational poster" party line.
To me, he's nothing but a racist, ignorant bullshitter.
And I'm forcing myself to be nice.

;)

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I'm sure @Violent Demise would criticize Margarito for the plaster thing before the Mosley bout

I'm sure he also agree's Chavez Jr is a cheater for using Furosemide

Lets see what sort of man Vd is & just ask him


I think Lopez' comments were ridiculous & guys coming in over-weight is unprofessional

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I think you're giving VD too much credit, but whatever. Sure... he'll come in here and lie about it... downplaying the shit he shovels. But I've been in enough exchanges with the dude to know what his mind is made of. And it's nothing good. He's got 20 times more detractors than supporters. But again... whatever.

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So if Vd comes in here & says yeah Margarito was a chump for getting caught with plaster before facing Mosley & Chavez Jr is a cheater what more do you want

So what if he points out Lopez or Rios more than those of Mexican decent

As long as he is fair & acknowledges that it goes both way I don't see a problem

Lets see if he does

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I feel personally Margarito may have used something in his gloves that 1st fight, but there is no proof so its irrelevant

Besides Cotto gave him a nice hiding in the return & pretty much retired Antonio, so I see no reason for Puerto Ricans worry...

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Yeah.... a fight the "unbiased" VD called "A Sad Day for Boxing" in a thread he immediately started.

So you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to the "VD is a rational poster" party line.
To me, he's nothing but a racist, ignorant bullshitter.
And I'm forcing myself to be nice.

;)

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No sure who said VD was a rational poster, wasn't me! He cracked me up when he posted Canelo stops Trout in the mid rounds... like that happens:p

I think he likes to get a rise outta those that take the bait

I'm waiting to see his responses before judging


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@TitoFan do you agree that Lopez' out burst was ridiculous & Cotto quit vs Margarito?

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I'm sure @Violent Demise would criticize Margarito for the plaster thing before the Mosley bout

I'm sure he also agree's Chavez Jr is a cheater for using Furosemide

Lets see what sort of man Vd is & just ask him


I think Lopez' comments were ridiculous & guys coming in over-weight is unprofessional

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I think you're giving VD too much credit, but whatever. Sure... he'll come in here and lie about it... downplaying the shit he shovels. But I've been in enough exchanges with the dude to know what his mind is made of. And it's nothing good. He's got 20 times more detractors than supporters. But again... whatever.

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So if Vd comes in here & says yeah Margarito was a chump for getting caught with plaster before facing Mosley & Chavez Jr is a cheater what more do you want

So what if he points out Lopez or Rios more than those of Mexican decent

As long as he is fair & acknowledges that it goes both way I don't see a problem

Lets see if he does

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I don't get it. You and VD are both 7-year posters. It's not like you haven't read his shit before. But hey whatever, man. Different strokes for different strokes. You feel VD is a fair, impartial, objective poster...... please continue doing so. I'm sure there's at least 2 other posters on here that feel the same way.

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I feel personally Margarito may have used something in his gloves that 1st fight, but there is no proof so its irrelevant

Besides Cotto gave him a nice hiding in the return & pretty much retired Antonio, so I see no reason for Puerto Ricans worry...

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Yeah.... a fight the "unbiased" VD called "A Sad Day for Boxing" in a thread he immediately started.

So you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to the "VD is a rational poster" party line.
To me, he's nothing but a racist, ignorant bullshitter.
And I'm forcing myself to be nice.

;)

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No sure who said VD was a rational poster, wasn't me! He cracked me up when he posted Canelo stops Trout in the mid rounds... like that happens:p

I think he likes to get a rise outta those that take the bait

I'm waiting to see his responses before judging


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@TitoFan do you agree that Lopez' out burst was ridiculous & Cotto quit vs Margarito?

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Yes.... and no.

I was one of Lopez's harshest critics. Something VD conveniently chooses to ignore when he spouts his bullshit. Cotto quitting? No. Quitting is what De La Hoya did against Pacquiao. That's quitting. Cotto was being bludgeoned by plaster casts. He wisely chose to live to fight another day.

You strike me as a pretty good poster on here & able to see things pretty clearly

Thing about the Cotto fight is there was no proof

I agree that it is very possible that Margarito did have loaded gloves but without that proof I have to take the fight as it was, Margarito's career will always be questionable now

Had he not been caught before Mosley none of would have known any different until he was eventually caught or heaven forbid never found out

So for me Cotto quit but was taking a beating at the time, but my feeling is his corner or the ref should have stopped it before that point, just like Martinez was ko'd against Margarito

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I feel personally Margarito may have used something in his gloves that 1st fight, but there is no proof so its irrelevant

Besides Cotto gave him a nice hiding in the return & pretty much retired Antonio, so I see no reason for Puerto Ricans worry...

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Yeah.... a fight the "unbiased" VD called "A Sad Day for Boxing" in a thread he immediately started.

So you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to the "VD is a rational poster" party line.
To me, he's nothing but a racist, ignorant bullshitter.
And I'm forcing myself to be nice.

;)

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No sure who said VD was a rational poster, wasn't me! He cracked me up when he posted Canelo stops Trout in the mid rounds... like that happens:p

I think he likes to get a rise outta those that take the bait

I'm waiting to see his responses before judging


Question:
@TitoFan do you agree that Lopez' out burst was ridiculous & Cotto quit vs Margarito?

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Yes.... and no.

I was one of Lopez's harshest critics. Something VD conveniently chooses to ignore when he spouts his bullshit. Cotto quitting? No. Quitting is what De La Hoya did against Pacquiao. That's quitting. Cotto was being bludgeoned by plaster casts. He wisely chose to live to fight another day.

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Please, don't got there.
Nacho was going to stop the fight in the 7th, Weeks was ready to as well.
Nacho stopped the fight in the 8th.
De la Hoya did not "box" (back peddle) the last few rounds, look to his corner for help, and decide to take a knee .
Running away, taking a knee, and looking for help, is quitting.

De La Hoya sat in his corner and said he'd had enough. That's quitting, in my book.
To each his own, I always say. Go get cracked in the head by someone with plaster casts, and then come back and tell me about quitting.

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You strike me as a pretty good poster on here & able to see things pretty clearly

Thing about the Cotto fight is there was no proof

I agree that it is very possible that Margarito did have loaded gloves but without that proof I have to take the fight as it was, Margarito's career will always be questionable now

Had he not been caught before Mosley none of would have known any different until he was eventually caught or heaven forbid never found out

So for me Cotto quit but was taking a beating at the time, but my feeling is his corner or the ref should have stopped it before that point, just like Martinez was ko'd against Margarito

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You and I (and most of the population of the forum) can civilly discuss back and forth whether what Cotto did was quitting or not. Some will criticize Cotto for it... others will not. But it remains a civil conversation. This does not happen with someone like VD. His hatred and bias gets the better of him everytime. Going back to the 2nd Cotto-Margarito fight. VD criticized the shit out of Cotto.... calling him a coward... saying it was a sad day for boxing. Most (including myself), just dismissed him as an idiot. This is par for the course with the guy. He'll find whatever straw he can hang on to.... as long as it fits his agenda. I've got ZERO respect for a loser like that.

All good

I actually don't have an issue with the guy & do agree with some of his takes on things

I don't get into the name calling thing as I don't see the point

We all are passionate about the sport & it can get frustrating reading posts we don't agree with

I can be very easy to just drop a diss or call a fellow poster this or that

It takes a man to debate like an adult imo

No issues. I'm up for a good debate same as most on here.
But some valuable tidbits from VD:

- Puerto Rican fighters don't want it as much as Mexican fighters.
- It's a sad day in boxing because Cotto thoroughly outboxed and beat Margarito without going toe-to-toe with him.
- Starts a thread about a P.R. fighter coming out and saying he's gay. (Most responses were "so what?").

There's more, but I can't be bothered to dredge up all of his old shit.
Suffice it to say that I'll respond to insults with insults..... all day long.
And there's no poster here least worthy of my respect than VD.

Luckily, I don't come in here to talk to him.
Personally, I wish he'd move to ESB, where he'd more at home.

True, how sh*t is ESB!

So many trolls, even guys with 10k+ worth of posts don't seem to know jack

Each to their own, I'm not saying you shouldn't insult anyone

But I just prefer to debate the facts or my views without them