Why did Harry Carpenter call Ali his slave name Cassius Clay?

Watching Ali v Frazier 1 and I'm getting a little annoyed on Harry Carpenters commentary, he keeps calling Ali by his slave name Clay.....is it due to the fact that Carpenter was ignorant to the name change or was it just ignored by the media?

Carpenter was still a legend but found this to be disrespectful to Ali

Thanks in advance!!!


job biscuit (enjoying a bit of nostalgia)!!!!


eh!!! eh!!!!

lol...watching the start of the 5th round and someone must of whispered something in Harry's ear cause he is now calling the Greatest by his new name Muhammad Ali....lol


Job Biscuit (never noticed that before today)!!!

its all bollox, who cares

Go away you don't belong here...peasent!!!

How the hell these sub humanoids can afford the internet I just don't know....oh well keeps them off the streets I suppose

Job Biscuit (toffen)!!!!!


eh eh!!!

thur the fight he keeps referring back to his slave name and then back to Ali....lol....Harry not sure on what to call The Greatest...lol


job biscuit (It must of been the interim)!!!!


eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

thur the fight he keeps referring back to his slave name and then back to Ali....lol....Harry not sure on what to call The Greatest...lol


job biscuit (It must of been the interim)!!!!


eh eh!!!

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Ali and Harry had a joke about it, they were good friends.

Also you're a prick man seriously.

Peasant? Really? I would just stab you in the face.

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Originally Posted by Otley

Go away you don't belong here...peasent!!!

How the hell these sub humanoids can afford the internet I just don't know....oh well keeps them off the streets I suppose

Job Biscuit (toffen)!!!!!


eh eh!!!

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u upper class likes?

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by Otley

Go away you don't belong here...peasent!!!

How the hell these sub humanoids can afford the internet I just don't know....oh well keeps them off the streets I suppose

Job Biscuit (toffen)!!!!!


eh eh!!!

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u upper class likes?

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He's as upper class as a piece of shit on Chris Eubanks shoes.

U need to calm down u sad little peasent boy...go back to the gutter u live in and I like cream will always rise to the top...There is scum on this forum which will vanish when the government take away there giros...your time on here is very limited but I will poke fun at u while u r here

job biscuit (gold fish in a bowl)!!!

eh eh!!!

There's posters on this forum who refer to Ali as Cassius Clay.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

There's posters on this forum who refer to Ali as Cassius Clay.

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Yes and these people r haters and nothing more than scumbags which should have been put down at birth...these people do nothing for this planet....they r the Walking Dead and need to be laid to rest

job biscuit (thank God for the decent people)!!!

eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

U need to calm down u sad little peasent boy...go back to the gutter u live in and I like cream will always rise to the top...There is scum on this forum which will vanish when the government take away there giros...your time on here is very limited but I will poke fun at u while u r here

job biscuit (gold fish in a bowl)!!!

eh eh!!!

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cream as in spunk?

U really r a moron...lol..hey why don't u get back to school and learn something so your mummy can b proud of u...tut tut..lol...u r still at school arnt u....lol

job biscuit (spooner)!!!

eh eh!!

And please change your name...what moron called u Eric....lol....oh yer mummy & daddy moron called u that...lol

job biscuit (peasents)!!!

eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

Watching Ali v Frazier 1 and I'm getting a little annoyed on Harry Carpenters commentary, he keeps calling Ali by his slave name Clay.....is it due to the fact that Carpenter was ignorant to the name change or was it just ignored by the media?

Carpenter was still a legend but found this to be disrespectful to Ali

Thanks in advance!!!


job biscuit (enjoying a bit of nostalgia)!!!!






eh!!! eh!!!!

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I don't know how you can find it disrespectful in any way unless of course you are Ali :lickish:

And even if you are Ali or the biggest Ali fan in the world how cheeky and/ or up Ali's arse to find the word clay disrespectful when you consider all the bullshit Ali was giving Frazier

Of course it was disrespectful...I just wanted to know why Harry was saying it??

job biscuit (Frazier is a legend)!!!


eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

U really r a moron...lol..hey why don't u get back to school and learn something so your mummy can b proud of u...tut tut..lol...u r still at school arnt u....lol

job biscuit (spooner)!!!

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was that two school jokes in one sentence?

Erica please don't think too hard...u also need to b a quiet animal...so SHUT IT....it's a friday so go do something worth while and go steal some hub caps to sell at a carboot sale...lol

job biscuit (sell rubbish to the peasents)!!

eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

Of course it was disrespectful...I just wanted to know why Harry was saying it??

job biscuit (Frazier is a legend)!!!


eh eh!!!

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I would imagine from Ali's fathers point of view it was more disrespectful for his son to change his name from Clay to Ali , but then Ali's selfishness and ego even outweigh his boxing talent

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Originally Posted by Otley

Erica please don't think too hard...u also need to b a quiet animal...so SHUT IT....it's a friday so go do something worth while and go steal some hub caps to sell at a carboot sale...lol

job biscuit (sell rubbish to the peasents)!!

eh eh!!!

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yourself, being a higher class, we can have a look at how the higher classes talk to other people

Peasent
Theif
Animal
Child
moron
son of morons

youre a real class act ;)

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Originally Posted by Otley

Erica please don't think too hard...u also need to b a quiet animal...so SHUT IT....it's a friday so go do something worth while and go steal some hub caps to sell at a carboot sale...lol

job biscuit (sell rubbish to the peasents)!!

eh eh!!!

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Best part is I bet you're proper skint living Ina council estate in the slums, stealing Internet from next door.

Dirty little vain jagger.

I thank you...u r dead right...The scruffy toe rag under class will always agree with the upper deck of society...i knew u would c sense...now keep stirring your porridge and i hope u have learnt a valuable lesson...i can only hope (:

job biscuit (everyone back in their place)!!!

eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

I thank you...u r dead right...The scruffy toe rag under class will always agree with the upper deck of society...i knew u would c sense...now keep stirring your porridge and i hope u have learnt a valuable lesson...i can only hope (:

job biscuit (everyone back in their place)!!!

eh eh!!!

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vendettos hit the nail on the head eh

i knew you were all talk :)

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Originally Posted by Otley

I thank you...u r dead right...The scruffy toe rag under class will always agree with the upper deck of society...i knew u would c sense...now keep stirring your porridge and i hope u have learnt a valuable lesson...i can only hope (:

job biscuit (everyone back in their place)!!!

eh eh!!!

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He is, I did an Internet behavioral study in uni and one of the stereotypes was people who say things like "peasant" or just generally talk down to others, by saying things like what he said about "don't know how you can afford Internet"

This almost always meant that the person was a loner with little social skills and from a generally poor or deprived upbringing.

He fits the bill almost exactly.

I'd also bet his education is poor, A level at absolute best.

Believe me I am many many levels above you are your sad little existence u couldn't imagine

job biscuit (i don't shop @ Tesco's)!!!


eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

Believe me I am many many levels above you are your sad little existence u couldn't imagine

job biscuit (i don't shop @ Tesco's)!!!


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^^That means he shops at Tesco's or Lidl.

U & Erica should get a bedsit together, hopefully u might give birth to a chimp (if your lucky)!!!


Job biscuit (or a horse)!!!


eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by YIDDLE

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Originally Posted by Otley

Watching Ali v Frazier 1 and I'm getting a little annoyed on Harry Carpenters commentary, he keeps calling Ali by his slave name Clay.....is it due to the fact that Carpenter was ignorant to the name change or was it just ignored by the media?

Carpenter was still a legend but found this to be disrespectful to Ali

Thanks in advance!!!


job biscuit (enjoying a bit of nostalgia)!!!!






eh!!! eh!!!!

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I don't know how you can find it disrespectful in any way unless of course you are Ali :lickish:

And even if you are Ali or the biggest Ali fan in the world how cheeky and/ or up Ali's arse to find the word clay disrespectful when you consider all the bullshit Ali was giving Frazier

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So very true, Ali was one of the most disrespectful pricks to ever step into a ring.
Don't talk about building up the gate, the prick enjoyed every disrespectful word he said, especially about black fighters.
I'm not going to use the word hate, but my disrespect for Ali is healthy and will be as long as I breathe.
What ever name you use Ali is a first class prick. IMO

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Originally Posted by Otley

U & Erica should get a bedsit together, hopefully u might give birth to a chimp (if your lucky)!!!


Job biscuit (or a horse)!!!


eh eh!!!

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I feel so bad for you. I mean that's not even a little fun or insulting.

Poor kid.

I bet u wish u was me...cause i sure wouldn't want to be in your shoes (thats if u wear shoes)

the underbelly sure showing themselves to be why they are what they are....PEASENTS!!!


job biscuit (anyone for an olive)!!!



eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

Of course it was disrespectful...I just wanted to know why Harry was saying it??

job biscuit (Frazier is a legend)!!!


eh eh!!!

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You must remember it's the 70's, Ali had been disrespectful of Frazier by calling him a Gorilla, Joe
had helped Ali out, and Joe is repaid back by Ali in that manner that's disrespectful is it not.;)

The tumbleweed has arrived...lol


job biscuit (i do find the under class quite clueless)!!!


eh eh!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

I bet u wish u was me...cause i sure wouldn't want to be in your shoes (thats if u wear shoes)

the underbelly sure showing themselves to be why they are what they are....PEASENTS!!!


job biscuit (anyone for an olive)!!!



eh eh!!!

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Wish to be you? An idiot that has the intelligence level of my children? Not to disrespect but I mean this in all seriousness, if I were to become you, I'd launch myself off the nearest bridge to my death.

Then again if I were you and I did that I'd probably fail miserably.

Blimey children at your age...kids with kids...probably end up in care....look Eastenders r on go watch that cause it's possibly the only release of some kind u will ever experience...me i'm going to have a glass of wine with my friends & family and speak to u & the other pond life when I have nothing better to do

job biscuit (cheers)!!!


eh eh!!!

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Originally Posted by Otley

Watching Ali v Frazier 1 and I'm getting a little annoyed on Harry Carpenters commentary, he keeps calling Ali by his slave name Clay.....is it due to the fact that Carpenter was ignorant to the name change or was it just ignored by the media?

Carpenter was still a legend but found this to be disrespectful to Ali

Thanks in advance!!!


job biscuit (enjoying a bit of nostalgia)!!!!


eh!!! eh!!!!

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Why do you write eh eh Job Biscuit after every post....

Explain to me please

The Great Muhammad Ali...
...changed his name in a somewhat-misguided protest, I think.

"Clay was my slave-name; I am no longer a slave." - Muhammad Ali
RE: The slave-owner's family name was given to his slaves as a sign of his ownership of them.

So Cassius Marcellus Clay junior did away with the slave-name and was given the name Muhammad Ali when he switched religions to Islam.

However...
Ali's father was Cassius Marcellus Clay senior.
Cassius Marcellus Clay senior's grandfather grew up on the property of the original Cassius Marcellus Clay (b 1810- d 1903), a white man and aristocrat and one of the great EMANCIPATIONISTS of history!

The original Cassius Marcellus Clay was born into one of the wealthiest families of land-owners/slave-owners in the state of Kentucky.
In Clay's decades-long crusade to end slavery, Clay's life was threatened many, many times.
Guy had friends in high places too including being a personal friend of Abraham Lincoln, and relatives that were members of the the Senate and he was related to a Governor too.

This man sacrificed so much in his quest to end slavery, and it was a quest that he was in for the long haul: Clay first joined the Abolitionist Movement in about 1831 or thereabouts, and saw it through to the end of slavery in America in 1865.

Sheesh, you'd think Muhammad Ali would've been proud to have carried this man's name.
The name, Cassius Marcellus Clay, is a symbol of the fight to end slavery, of fighting for liberty, but Ali simply said it was his slave-name and did away with it, and took a Middle Eastern name instead.

If Ali wanted to pay homage to his African roots, he should've went African, not Middle Eastern.

Why Islam by the way too?

If Ali was shooting for getting back to his African roots, why not go with a traditional African religion instead?
There's actually more Christians in Africa than there are disciples of Islam.
Christianity and Islam are the two dominant religions in Africa, but both religions spread into Africa from elsewhere.
Christianity has been in Africa longer than Islam has too.
Why didn't Ali go with a traditional African religion if he was shooting for African roots and heritage....?

About that name-change though: :)

An 1800s man spends much of his life fighting the very fabric of America, taking a very unpopular stance at the time at great physical peril to himself, all to free the slaves and give them liberty and what does he get?:
Ali dismisses that Great name as a slave-name and says "I'm no longer a slave."
Thankless bastard, eh?!


Perhaps Muhammad Ali should have taken a Celtic name instead and got involved in the religious wars (Protestants and Catholics) there too in honor of his Irish roots as well; there's lots of white blood in Muhammad Ali.
Ali's great-grandfather, Abe Grady, was an Irish immigrant from Ennis. That's why Ali's beloved mother, Odessa Grady Clay, looks so white; she took after her Irish grandfather.
Certainly a lot more white blood in Ali than there is in say Joe Frazier for instance...
Now there's a real black man through-and-through, and a proud man, and a man who grew up pickin' cotton in the racially-segregated deep South.
Smokin' Joe and his family definitely had it a helluva lot harder with the poverty and racism than Ali's relatively easier, more comfortable upbringing in Kentucky.

Then Joe becomes Champ and is the victim of further racism by a member of his own race: Ali.

"Lite-Brite, almost white!", I hear ya, Joe...

Yep, Irish.
Why not Muhammad Grady then...or Sheamus Ali or Muhammad O'Reilly instead or some such like if he wanted to change his name to honor his heritage?


In addition, the Irish were also treated very harshly in Europe; the English didn't think of them as being human.
The English were in control, but they let thousands upon thousands of Irish basically starve to death during The Great Potato Famine. The English could've helped, but said why?

The Irish didn't get much better treatment in their early days in America either. About 70 thousand Irish were slaves in America, but they didn't make for as good a slave because the Irish were too much trouble.
Yeah, black people had it hard in America in the late 1800s, but so did the Irish. And also the Native Americans of course.
All were perceived as second-class citizens, viewed as not even being human; it's funny that they all started inter-marrying.

HAH HAH HAH !
I really get a kick out of that for some reason.
:lickish:

Civil rights?
Ali fought the gov't for about 4 years from 1967 to 1971 and ultimately won.
The original Cassius Marcellus Clay fought the gov't and the system and the very fabric of 1800s America for over 30 years and ultimately won.


Cassius Marcellus Clay/abolitionist, also had one other thing in common with Cassius Marcellus Clay/Muhammad Ali:
In 1894, at about 83 years old, Clay was boinking a 15 year-old named Dora Richardson whom he married.


It didn't last...

;)

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Originally Posted by Otley

Watching Ali v Frazier 1 and I'm getting a little annoyed on Harry Carpenters commentary, he keeps calling Ali by his slave name Clay.....is it due to the fact that Carpenter was ignorant to the name change or was it just ignored by the media?

Carpenter was still a legend but found this to be disrespectful to Ali

Thanks in advance!!!


job biscuit (enjoying a bit of nostalgia)!!!!


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You get annoyed because you don't know why he called him clay...
We get annoyed because we don't know why you keep using that shitty catchphrase...
...life goes on.

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Originally Posted by smashup

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Originally Posted by Otley

Watching Ali v Frazier 1 and I'm getting a little annoyed on Harry Carpenters commentary, he keeps calling Ali by his slave name Clay.....is it due to the fact that Carpenter was ignorant to the name change or was it just ignored by the media?

Carpenter was still a legend but found this to be disrespectful to Ali

Thanks in advance!!!


job biscuit (enjoying a bit of nostalgia)!!!!


eh!!! eh!!!!

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Why do you write eh eh Job Biscuit after every post....

Explain to me please

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Because he's Jimmy Savile's twin and talking like a cunt runs on the family.

Dear.Jim.As.It.Were.eheheheh

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Originally Posted by Otley

U really r a moron...lol..hey why don't u get back to school and learn something so your mummy can b proud of u...tut tut..lol...u r still at school arnt u....lol

job biscuit (spooner)!!!

eh eh!!

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Was telling somebody that they need to be educated, whilst doing so with the poor level of grammar of a txt messaging tweenager an attempt at irony, or are you completely unaware how hypocrital saying 'go to school' whilst typing like a retard is? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by Otley

U really r a moron...lol..hey why don't u get back to school and learn something so your mummy can b proud of u...tut tut..lol...u r still at school arnt u....lol

job biscuit (spooner)!!!

eh eh!!

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Was telling somebody that they need to be educated, whilst doing so with the poor level of grammar of a txt messaging tweenager an attempt at irony, or are you completely unaware how hypocrital saying 'go to school' whilst typing like a retard is? :rolleyes:

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Adam. How much do you wanna smash this guy in the face?

I bet it's only half as much as I do.