Zou Shiming vs. Eleazar Valenzuela - Saturday fight/chat thread

:pimp2: On HBO2, from Macau, China! Which lies on the western side of the Pearl River Delta across from Hong Kong to the east. The professional debut of the Peoples Republic of China's two-time Olympic Gold Medalist and three-time World Amateur Champion Zou Shiming. Plus, some title fights.

HBO to Broadcast Pro Debut of Zou Shiming

April 6
At Macau (HBO2): Zou Shiming vs. Eleazar Valenzuela, 4 rounds, junior flyweights; Roman "Rocky" Martinez vs. Diego Magdaleno, 12 rounds, for Martinez's WBO junior lightweight title; Brian Viloria vs. Juan Francisco Estrada, 12 rounds, for Viloria's WBA/WBO flyweight title; Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. vs. Yasutako Ishimoto, 10 rounds, junior featherweights.

This card will start @2:00 PM ET/PT Saturday afternoon April 6, on HBO2 here in the States & Canada. Tim Ryan, Larry Merchant and two-time heavyweight champion George Foreman calling the action from ringside at the CotaiArena's Venetian Macao-Resort-Hotel.

Should be a fun afternoon of boxing, and educational, listening to Merchant and Foreman calling fights again together.

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Excellent card but Im only looking forward to seeing Viloria in action..

I have a strong feeling that Shiming is going to be a bust as a pro and Arum made the wrong investment..

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Excellent card but Im only looking forward to seeing Viloria in action..

I have a strong feeling that Shiming is going to be a bust as a pro and Arum made the wrong investment..

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I'd like to see China get more involved in Pro boxing, it would be great for the sport and pump in some more revenue.
As for Arum, it's probably a minimal investment, Junior flyweights, don't get paid the big bucks, so even if Shiming goes belly up as a Pro, Arum won't be out much.

This card will start @2:00 PM ET/PT Saturday afternoon April 6, on HBO2 here in the States & Canada. Tim Ryan, Larry Merchant and two-time heavyweight champion George Foreman calling the action from ringside at the CotaiArena's Venetian Macao-Resort-Hotel.

Thoughts?

I'm really looking forward to Viloria Estrada. Watching this live might be tricky for me.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'm really looking forward to Viloria Estrada. Watching this live might be tricky for me.

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There should be a shitload of live streams available, if you can't find one, check with me Saturday morning.

BTW, this card should start at 6:00 or 7:00 PM Saturday in the UK/Europe.

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I'm really looking forward to Viloria Estrada. Watching this live might be tricky for me.

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There should be a shitload of live streams available, if you can't find one, check with me Saturday morning.

BTW, this card should start at 6:00 or 7:00 PM Saturday in the UK/Europe.

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I meant I'll be sovber when it's on. I can remember the last time I watched a fight sober. I'm not sure I can do it.

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I'm really looking forward to Viloria Estrada. Watching this live might be tricky for me.

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There should be a shitload of live streams available, if you can't find one, check with me Saturday morning.

BTW, this card should start at 6:00 or 7:00 PM Saturday in the UK/Europe.

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I meant I'll be sovber when it's on. I can remember the last time I watched a fight sober. I'm not sure I can do it.

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That's pretty fucking funny Kirk. I doubt if i'll be drinking Saturday afternoon, that's just too early. If I drink at all it's usually after 5:00 PM, but hey, it's 5:00 PM & happy hour somewhere in the world!

Beer - helping boxing fans get through shitty fights since 1890.

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Excellent card but Im only looking forward to seeing Viloria in action..

I have a strong feeling that Shiming is going to be a bust as a pro and Arum made the wrong investment..

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I'd like to see China get more involved in Pro boxing, it would be great for the sport and pump in some more revenue.
As for Arum, it's probably a minimal investment, Junior flyweights, don't get paid the big bucks, so even if Shiming goes belly up as a Pro, Arum won't be out much.

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Shiming is getting payed $300,000 for his 4rd pro debut which is unheard of in the lower weight division.. :o

Arum is even saying that there could be a showdown between Viloria and Shiming next year which i dont believe..

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Excellent card but Im only looking forward to seeing Viloria in action..

I have a strong feeling that Shiming is going to be a bust as a pro and Arum made the wrong investment..

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I'd like to see China get more involved in Pro boxing, it would be great for the sport and pump in some more revenue.
As for Arum, it's probably a minimal investment, Junior flyweights, don't get paid the big bucks, so even if Shiming goes belly up as a Pro, Arum won't be out much.

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Shiming is getting payed $300,000 for his 4rd pro debut which is unheard of in the lower weight division.. :o

Arum is even saying that there could be a showdown between Viloria and Shiming next year which i dont believe..

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$300,000 is a ridiculous amount, plus i've read that Shiming isn't all that good. If i'm not mistaken this might be some kind of PPV event in China, if so, Arum gets a chunk of the proceeds, plus something from HBO. Bob-father is slick as owl shit when it comes to money.

What would be funny as hell would be if Valenzuela kicks Shiming's ass, but just guessing i'd say Valenzuela is a 'can.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

$300,000 is a ridiculous amount, plus i've read that Shiming isn't all that good. If i'm not mistaken this might be some kind of PPV event in China, if so, Arum gets a chunk of the proceeds, plus something from HBO. Bob-father is slick as owl shit when it comes to money.

What would be funny as hell would be if Valenzuela kicks Shiming's ass, but just guessing i'd say Valenzuela is a 'can.

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Please educate me as I'm unfamiliar. Just how slick is owl shit?

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$300,000 is a ridiculous amount, plus i've read that Shiming isn't all that good. If i'm not mistaken this might be some kind of PPV event in China, if so, Arum gets a chunk of the proceeds, plus something from HBO. Bob-father is slick as owl shit when it comes to money.

What would be funny as hell would be if Valenzuela kicks Shiming's ass, but just guessing i'd say Valenzuela is a 'can.

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Please educate me as I'm unfamiliar. Just how slick is owl shit?

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Ha! To be “slicker than owl shit” is to be very slick. The expression is popular throughout the South, but possibly originated in Texas.
There's also:
Slick as a jar full of eels
Slick as deer guts on a doorknob
Slick as grass through a goose
Slick as greased owl shit
Slick as pig snot
Slick enough to slide on barb wire
Slicker than buttered cats shit in a skillet
Slicker than deer guts on a door knob
Slicker than snot on a bald mans head
Slicker than snot on a door knob
Slicker than snot on a glass eye

I hope this helps :o

Where is everybody then? Sitting in bed watching this with a pitcher of Bloody Marys. :)

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Where is everybody then? Sitting in bed watching this with a pitcher of Bloody Marys. :)

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The HBO2 card doesn't start for 3 more hours or at 2:00 PM ET here in the States, that's when I plan to start watching.

cheers:rasta::drunks:

FNF-level ring card girls. Not even going to grade them. The Viloria fight is a cracker. No spoilers from me though.

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FNF-level ring card girls. Not even going to grade them. The Viloria fight is a cracker. No spoilers from me though.

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I wonder if HBO2 isn't going to be shown on a tape delay.:confused:

Just got hooked up with a stream, i'm listening to Merchant and Foreman do Viloria vs Estrada.

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Just got hooked up with a stream, i'm listening to Merchant and Foreman do Viloria vs Estrada.

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Live on Boxnation, cracking card so far. This fight has really livened up last few rounds, Viloria could be in trouble

Estrada looks to be beating the shit out of Viloria. It's great to hear Big George, I wish he'd go back to calling fights for HBO.

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Estrada looks to be beating the shit out of Viloria. It's great to hear Big George, I wish he'd go back to calling fights for HBO.

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I dont know I gave Viloria most of the early rounds. Wouldnt say he needs a KO. Fight is close for me

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Just got hooked up with a stream, i'm listening to Merchant and Foreman do Viloria vs Estrada.

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Live on Boxnation, cracking card so far. This fight has really livened up last few rounds, Viloria could be in trouble

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Yup, i'm getting the HBO feed live on Boxnation.

Estrada looks to have this one in the bag going into the final round.

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Estrada looks to be beating the shit out of Viloria. It's great to hear Big George, I wish he'd go back to calling fights for HBO.

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I dont know I gave Viloria most of the early rounds. Wouldnt say he needs a KO. Fight is close for me

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I missed the 1st 8 rounds. ;) Merchant seems to think Estrada won.

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Estrada looks to be beating the shit out of Viloria. It's great to hear Big George, I wish he'd go back to calling fights for HBO.

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I dont know I gave Viloria most of the early rounds. Wouldnt say he needs a KO. Fight is close for me

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I missed the 1st 8 rounds. ;) Merchant seem to think Estrada won.

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Yea Estrada deserved it winning the last few rounds very easy. Good fight. Good to see Shiming Zou now. Dont think hell be good, wasnt great in the olympics

Officially a SD for Estrada, one judge gave it to Viloria. Nice win for Estrada who picks up Viloria's WBA/WBO flyweight belts.

Brilliant fight. Foreman and Merchant kick the ever loving shit out of Kellerman and RJJ. I want a Chocolatito Estrada rematch. Can't see Arum putting the Chinese kid in with Estrada or Choco ever.

This is interesting. :)

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Estrada looks to be beating the shit out of Viloria. It's great to hear Big George, I wish he'd go back to calling fights for HBO.

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I dont know I gave Viloria most of the early rounds. Wouldnt say he needs a KO. Fight is close for me

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I missed the 1st 8 rounds. ;) Merchant seem to think Estrada won.

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Yea Estrada deserved it winning the last few rounds very easy. Good fight. Good to see Shiming Zou now. Dont think hell be good, wasnt great in the olympics

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China is all geared up and excited about this fight, it's a big event there, go figure, because like you say, Shiming doesn't seem to be all that good.

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Officially a SD for Estrada, one judge gave it to Viloria. Nice win for Estrada who picks up Viloria's WBA/WBO flyweight belts.

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I had it closer but how one judge scored it for Viloria is bizarre, I gave Viloria 4 or 5 rounds so 116-112 or 115-113.

I wonder if Michael Buffer is going to come out with some Mandarin. :)

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I wonder if Michael Buffer is going to come out with some Mandarin. :)

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Buffer is a fucking fruitcake.

I couldn't care less about Zou Shiming. Build a fighter up with respect and not a bat around the head and fight fans will grow to respect you. It is just Audley Harrison gone Arum.

You don't start like this for a debut. Just insulting to everything else on the card too.

I knew he wouldn't let me down.

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I couldn't care less about Zou Shiming. Build a fighter up with respect and not a bat around the head and fight fans will grow to respect you. It is just Audley Harrison gone Arum.

You don't start like this for a debut. Just insulting to everything else on the card too.

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Hang on, he's a 2 time Olympic gold medalist, show some respect!

Here we go with the main event, Zou Shiming vs. Eleazar Valenzuela.
Geezuz, you'd think the way the Chinese are playing up the main event, that we're getting ready to see, Ali-Frasier I. 300 million watching this fight? :confused:

Lets hope that Valenzuela hands the "fists of gold his ass."

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I couldn't care less about Zou Shiming. Build a fighter up with respect and not a bat around the head and fight fans will grow to respect you. It is just Audley Harrison gone Arum.

You don't start like this for a debut. Just insulting to everything else on the card too.

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Hang on, he's a 2 time Olympic gold medalist, show some respect!

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No.

He is a pro debut fighter. That is all.

The Olympics is nothing to do with being a real boxer.

Valenzuela chasing the 32 year old Zou around in the ring in the 1st round, Zou took the 1st round.

Zou is winning, but like I said before he is nothing special. 31 and in a small division and these hypists are just getting silly. Merchant is drunk as heck too.

Holy shit Zou KOed cold in round 4

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Holy shit Zou KOed cold in round 4

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Only joking, satellite down, presume Zou won a decision

North Korea just shot down the Satellite link, :eek:

I'll come back and watch this on HBO2 in a couple of hours.

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Holy shit Zou KOed cold in round 4

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Ha! I wish, if this main event wasn't already lame enough, the Satellite link goes belly up. :-X