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Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
:pimp2: This could be the fight of the year, especially if Rigon springs the upset. Lots of us could be eating crow. :o
April 13
At New York (HBO): Nonito Donaire vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, WBO/WBA junior featherweight title unification; Sean Monaghan vs. Dion "Rex" Stanley, 8 rounds, light heavyweights; Mikael Zewski vs. Daniel Sostre, 8 rounds, welterweights
Donaire has been fighting as a Pro since 2001 (12 years) and 32 fights, he's on a level way above Rigondeaux in Pro and Championship experience. Rigondeaux had a ton of fights as a Cuban amateur, but he's never faced anyone close to as good as Donaire, as an amateur or in his 11 fights as a Pro. Rigon will get outclassed, outboxed and KTFO April 13th.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
Well...Rigo is definitely not some tomato can with only 5 amateur fights and works part time at a Starbucks. So I wouldn't go so far as to say he will get flattened as easily as you perceive.
Rigo has a skill set up to par with Donaire despite not having much comparative professional experience. It's difficult to judge this fight because both are highly skilled in one facet or another.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
Donaire is going to be shocked at Rigo's hand speed from the jab to combinations and counterpunching which is Donaires forte. I have not been this amped for a fight in a long time and I'm not even a fan per say of either guy.
Rigo's problems could come in the pocket. As impressive as his 400 fight amateur career is, it may also be his undoing. He stays in the pocket to long with his head out in front of his body. That is Donaire short hook territory.
Cant see this going 12. One of them is taking a nap.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
Reason #1. Donaire vs. Montiel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VervqgESZYI
Reason #2. Donaire vs. Darchinyan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO3aSHiwd14
Reasons #3.
Donaire has been fighting as a Pro since 2001 (12 years) and 32 fights, he's on a level way above Rigondeaux in Pro and Championship experience. Rigondeaux had a ton of fights as a Cuban amateur, but he's never faced anyone close to as good as Donaire, as an amateur or in his 11 fights as a Pro. Rigon will get outclassed, outboxed and KTFO April 13th.
Thoughts?
I agree. Too much, too soon for the young Rigondeaux.
One thing Rigo has going for him is Pedro Diaz. He's an excellent trainer with a wonderful track record.
But still....
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
Not to underrate Rigon, but I can't think of one single advantage he has over Donaire. Hand speed? boxing skills? power? Pro/Championship experience? defense? No way Jose, and there's a huge difference in the level of competition Rigon has faced, compared to what Donaire has been up against in his 12 years as a Pro.
I'm not saying Rigon isn't good, just saying that he's nowhere close to being on the same level as Donaire. The fight will be competitive for as long as Donaire wants it to be. He may feel Rigon out for a few rounds before turning up the heat, or he may decide to come right out at the opening bell and blitz him.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
Rigo has the edge in raw speed. Donaire is the smarter puncher. Boxing skills is what this fight is about. Rigo is just as fundamentally sound as Donaire. I think they are probably similar in power regardless of Donaires highlight reel ko's of Darchinyan and Montiel etc. Donaire most definitely has the pro edge including the main stage.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
Reason #1. Donaire vs. Montiel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VervqgESZYI
Reason #2. Donaire vs. Darchinyan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO3aSHiwd14
Reasons #3.
Donaire has been fighting as a Pro since 2001 (12 years) and 32 fights, he's on a level way above Rigondeaux in Pro and Championship experience. Rigondeaux had a ton of fights as a Cuban amateur, but he's never faced anyone close to as good as Donaire, as an amateur or in his 11 fights as a Pro. Rigon will get outclassed, outboxed and KTFO April 13th.
Thoughts?
I agree. Too much, too soon for
the young Rigondeaux.
One thing Rigo has going for him is Pedro Diaz. He's an excellent trainer with a wonderful track record.
But still....
Rigon isn't 'young', did you mean he has little Pro experience? Regardless of his 400 fights or how good Rigon was as an Amatuer, there's no way in hell he's going to step up with only 11 Pro fights under his belt and beat one of the best P4P fighters in the world.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
Reason #1. Donaire vs. Montiel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VervqgESZYI
Reason #2. Donaire vs. Darchinyan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO3aSHiwd14
Reasons #3.
Donaire has been fighting as a Pro since 2001 (12 years) and 32 fights, he's on a level way above Rigondeaux in Pro and Championship experience. Rigondeaux had a ton of fights as a Cuban amateur, but he's never faced anyone close to as good as Donaire, as an amateur or in his 11 fights as a Pro. Rigon will get outclassed, outboxed and KTFO April 13th.
Thoughts?
I agree. Too much, too soon for
the young Rigondeaux.
One thing Rigo has going for him is Pedro Diaz. He's an excellent trainer with a wonderful track record.
But still....
Rigon isn't 'young', did you mean he has little Pro experience? Regardless of his 400 fights or how good Rigon was as an Amatuer, there no way in hell he's going to step up with only 11 Pro fights under his belt and beat one of the best P4P fighters in the world.
Young as in inexperienced in the pro ranks.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Rigo has the edge in raw speed. Donaire is the smarter puncher. Boxing skills is what this fight is about. Rigo is just as fundamentally sound as Donaire. I think they are probably similar in power regardless of Donaires highlight reel ko's of Darchinyan and Montiel etc. Donaire most definitely has the pro edge including the main stage.
Raw Speed? I don't think so, they don't call Donaire "the Filipino flash" for nothing. As for Rigon's boxing skills being on a paar with Donaire's, you've got to be kidding, how could you know that? Rigon has only had 11 pro fights against mediocre competition, there's a big difference in amateur boxing skills and those that you need as a pro.
@IamInuit -Are you picking Rigon to win?
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;1144994[B
Rigo has the edge in raw speed.[/B] Donaire is the smarter puncher. Boxing skills is what this fight is about. Rigo is just as fundamentally sound as Donaire. I think they are probably similar in power regardless of Donaires highlight reel ko's of Darchinyan and Montiel etc. Donaire most definitely has the pro edge including the main stage.
Raw Speed? I don't think so, they don't call Donaire "the Filipino flash" for nothing. As for Rigon's boxing skills being on a paar with Donaire's, you've got to be kidding, how could you know that? Rigon has only had 11 pro fights against mediocre competition, there's a big difference in amateur boxing skills and those that you need as a pro.
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IamInuit -Are you picking Rigon to win?
I think so.
Yes I'm taking Rigo in a perceived upset of the year. I'm not betting money on it and may take Donaire in various boxing forum challenges.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;1144994[B
Rigo has the edge in raw speed.[/B] Donaire is the smarter puncher. Boxing skills is what this fight is about. Rigo is just as fundamentally sound as Donaire. I think they are probably similar in power regardless of Donaires highlight reel ko's of Darchinyan and Montiel etc. Donaire most definitely has the pro edge including the main stage.
Raw Speed? I don't think so, they don't call Donaire "the Filipino flash" for nothing. As for Rigon's boxing skills being on a paar with Donaire's, you've got to be kidding, how could you know that? Rigon has only had 11 pro fights against mediocre competition, there's a big difference in amateur boxing skills and those that you need as a pro.
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IamInuit -Are you picking Rigon to win?
I think so.
Yes I'm taking Rigo in a perceived upset of the year. I'm not betting money on it and may take Donaire in various boxing forum challenges.
Is this some Donaire hating? I just see the chance of Rigon upsetting Donaire as a big long shot, granted i'm a Donaire fan, and Rigon does have a puncher chance.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;1144994[B
Rigo has the edge in raw speed.[/B] Donaire is the smarter puncher. Boxing skills is what this fight is about. Rigo is just as fundamentally sound as Donaire. I think they are probably similar in power regardless of Donaires highlight reel ko's of Darchinyan and Montiel etc. Donaire most definitely has the pro edge including the main stage.
Raw Speed? I don't think so, they don't call Donaire "the Filipino flash" for nothing. As for Rigon's boxing skills being on a paar with Donaire's, you've got to be kidding, how could you know that? Rigon has only had 11 pro fights against mediocre competition, there's a big difference in amateur boxing skills and those that you need as a pro.
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IamInuit -Are you picking Rigon to win?
I think so.
Yes I'm taking Rigo in a perceived upset of the year. I'm not betting money on it and may take Donaire in various boxing forum challenges.
Is this some Donaire hating? I just see the chance of Rigon upsetting Donaire as a big long shot, granted i'm a Donaire fan, and Rigon does have a puncher chance.
Wtf Donaire hating? I said that I think Rigo is faster then he is.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by IamInuit;1144994[B
Rigo has the edge in raw speed.[/B] Donaire is the smarter puncher. Boxing skills is what this fight is about. Rigo is just as fundamentally sound as Donaire. I think they are probably similar in power regardless of Donaires highlight reel ko's of Darchinyan and Montiel etc. Donaire most definitely has the pro edge including the main stage.
Raw Speed? I don't think so, they don't call Donaire "the Filipino flash" for nothing. As for Rigon's boxing skills being on a paar with Donaire's, you've got to be kidding, how could you know that? Rigon has only had 11 pro fights against mediocre competition, there's a big difference in amateur boxing skills and those that you need as a pro.
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IamInuit -Are you picking Rigon to win?
I think so.
Yes I'm taking Rigo in a perceived upset of the year. I'm not betting money on it and may take Donaire in various boxing forum challenges.
Is this some Donaire hating? I just see the chance of Rigon upsetting Donaire as a big long shot, granted i'm a Donaire fan, and Rigon does have a puncher chance.
Wtf Donaire hating? I said that I think Rigo is faster then he is.
OK, my bad, I know there's some Donaire haters around, or at least some who think that Donaire is overrated, just checking. Being a Filipino sometimes puts a target on your back.
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I don't think Rigondeaux will be able to take the power or pressure of Donaire. Marroquin had Rigo on shaky legs (momentarily) twice during their fight.
Can't wait to see whose hands are faster, Rigo might be a little faster but he won't be able to avoid Donaire all night.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
What will cause Rigon to be ko'd by at least the 7th round is that he will wait for the entire fight... as he does with most of his fights. Not sure if it's just his style, inexperience, or whatever it is?!?! But he waits too long to crank up into the fight...
In the pro's you need to be able to bring intensity for 12 rounds if need be. He can't just wait on Donaire to counter- as if Donaire hits like he has feather-down in his gloves?!?
Rigon will get knocked down or rocked very early... suck it up... then wither under a real pro-assault from Donaire.
I say a ref stoppage in about 7 ir 8 rounds.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
I consider Rigo to be like baseballs Ichiro Suzuki. A superstar player in Japan who came to US and had instant success. Technically he was a rookie since it was his first year in the league. But everybody knew he was no rookie. What he was, was a superstar, future hall of famer. Rigo is not a young fighter who's raw and still has things to learn. What he is, is a really good fighter who is a legit threat to Donaire. He doesn't have many fights as a pro. But that doesn't matter. He's already the fighter he's gonna be. He's not still learning. His amateur career was a long one because he's Cuban. If not he would of turned pro a long time ago.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
Think I may even buy this one.
Donaire by ko mid way 5th.
For this weight he summons power from every portion of a move, also can take a shot to give back an unseen counter, theres no skill or training to prepare for that kind of stuff.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
Me, I call this a flip um fight. Rigo has hands just as fast as Donaire. Difference is delivery and temperment of both frankly. They both are guilty of 'waiting around'. Donaire as of late tries to look like a set up ko artist and can indeed be outhustled with a guy who can get off in between his stride and then slide off. Donaire has had his head in the clouds and counting division trinkets and while his "unofficial" size should suit him well vs Rigo he is certainly no defensive wizard in there. Rigo needs to pick his pockets with flurries...left hook! and Donaire needs to get small, tight and time him coming in. You can throw the amatuer huff and puff out the window, neither needs it here.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Scott22
I consider Rigo to be like baseballs Ichiro Suzuki. A superstar player in Japan who came to US and had instant success. Technically he was a rookie since it was his first year in the league. But everybody knew he was no rookie. What he was, was a superstar, future hall of famer. Rigo is not a young fighter who's raw and still has things to learn. What he is, is a really good fighter who is a legit threat to Donaire. He doesn't have many fights as a pro. But that doesn't matter. He's already the fighter he's gonna be. He's not still learning. His amateur career was a long one because he's Cuban. If not he would of turned pro a long time ago.
That's actually a pretty good fucking comparison. It's true. Rigondeaux is not the same as other 11-0 fighters. He's pretty much a vet in the sport of boxing
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
I really think this is going to come down to who gets off first and continually gets off first. So far Rigon has now shown me that he knows how to get off first- maybe he may surprise us this time around. He has a ways to go during training camp, so there is some time to work on his aggression.
But as it stands now, even if it comes down to who does more damage from their counter-punching, one would have to say that Donaire has proven he can not only counter-punch but also BE HIT and HIT BACK!!
Donaire by at least 8, maybe in 7, depending on if he starts off fast and times Rigon.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Scott22
I consider Rigo to be like baseballs Ichiro Suzuki. A superstar player in Japan who came to US and had instant success. Technically he was a rookie since it was his first year in the league. But everybody knew he was no rookie. What he was, was a superstar, future hall of famer. Rigo is not a young fighter who's raw and still has things to learn. What he is, is a really good fighter who is a legit threat to Donaire. He doesn't have many fights as a pro. But that doesn't matter. He's already the fighter he's gonna be. He's not still learning. His amateur career was a long one because he's Cuban. If not he would of turned pro a long time ago.
Four rounds at the am's, even though it's a gold medal fight, still is no comparison to being in a real prize fight and the events leading up to it- the money that's on the line; the big lights come fight night; the crooked officials in and out of your camp who have the fight fixed as much as they can; fighting a top tier athelete who has been trained to go the distance with the same intensity and has proven that he can do such things; and knowing that a loss may send you back and you may never get a title shot OR a big-money fight in quite some time afterwards, or perhaps never again.
I don't see it the same as your Japanese analogy... jmo...
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I don't know much on either, not really, watched the odd video and that's about it.
A mate of mine has said this is the biggest fight in boxing at the minute other than Manny vs Floyd.
True?
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?
Probably to Arce and/or Darchiniyan, even Darch' today at his current age!
;)
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Scott22
I consider Rigo to be like baseballs Ichiro Suzuki. A superstar player in Japan who came to US and had instant success. Technically he was a rookie since it was his first year in the league. But everybody knew he was no rookie. What he was, was a superstar, future hall of famer. Rigo is not a young fighter who's raw and still has things to learn. What he is, is a really good fighter who is a legit threat to Donaire. He doesn't have many fights as a pro. But that doesn't matter. He's already the fighter he's gonna be. He's not still learning. His amateur career was a long one because he's Cuban. If not he would of turned pro a long time ago.
Four rounds at the am's, even though it's a gold medal fight, still is no comparison to being in a real prize fight and the events leading up to it- the money that's on the line; the big lights come fight night;
the crooked officials in and out of your camp who have the fight fixed as much as they can; fighting a top tier athelete who has been trained to go the distance with the same intensity and has proven that he can do such things; and knowing that a loss may send you back and you may never get a title shot OR a big-money fight in quite some time afterwards, or perhaps never again.
I don't see it the same as your Japanese analogy... jmo...
With all them years he spent in the am's, he knows all about crooked officals
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
0james0
I don't know much on either, not really, watched the odd video and that's about it.
A mate of mine has said this is the biggest fight in boxing at the minute other than Manny vs Floyd.
True?
It's not THAT big of a fight, but it's a big fight for us hardcore fans, casual fans wouldn't be as interested as they would be in Pac vs. Floyd.
Donaire vs. Rigon is definitely worth a look, it could end up being a fight of the year type fight. I started looking forward to this fight as soon as it was announced.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
0james0
I don't know much on either, not really, watched the odd video and that's about it.
A mate of mine has said this is the biggest fight in boxing at the minute other than Manny vs Floyd.
True?
It's not THAT big of a fight, but it's a big fight for us hardcore fans, casual fans wouldn't be as interested as they would be in Pac vs. Floyd.
Donaire vs. Rigon is definitely worth a look, it could end up being a fight of the year type fight. I started looking forward to this fight as soon as it was announced.
Well fk the casual fans. The fact that they still hold on to a Manny/Floyd fight says more then I ever could. Its totally meaningless. They probably get just as excited for the new menu at taco bell. This fight is huge.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
0james0
I don't know much on either, not really, watched the odd video and that's about it.
A mate of mine has said this is the biggest fight in boxing at the minute other than Manny vs Floyd.
True?
It's not THAT big of a fight, but it's a big fight for us hardcore fans, casual fans wouldn't be as interested as they would be in Pac vs. Floyd.
Donaire vs. Rigon is definitely worth a look, it could end up being a fight of the year type fight. I started looking forward to this fight as soon as it was announced.
Well fk the casual fans. The fact that they still hold on to a Manny/Floyd fight says more then I ever could. Its totally meaningless. They probably get just as excited for the new menu at taco bell. This fight is huge.
Have you even tried the new Cool Ranch taco ??? I confess to be giddy like a school girl ;D
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
0james0
I don't know much on either, not really, watched the odd video and that's about it.
A mate of mine has said this is the biggest fight in boxing at the minute other than Manny vs Floyd.
True?
It's not THAT big of a fight, but it's a big fight for us hardcore fans, casual fans wouldn't be as interested as they would be in Pac vs. Floyd.
Donaire vs. Rigon is definitely worth a look, it could end up being a fight of the year type fight. I started looking forward to this fight as soon as it was announced.
Well fk the casual fans. The fact that they still hold on to a Manny/Floyd fight says more then I ever could. Its totally meaningless. They probably get just as excited for the new menu at taco bell. This fight is huge.
Pac vs. Floyd is dead in the water, anyone who really knows boxing knows this, but what do you wanna bet casual fans would come out of the woodwork in droves to buy the PPV if it was ever announced.
Just saying, most fans know who Donaire is, but outside boxing circles, Rigondeaux isn't that well known.
BTW, did you know that Taco Bell is the real name of the owner?
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?
I'm gonna turn this around and ask another question. Has Rigo fought even 1/10th the quality and "who's who" of opponents Donaire has faced and beaten.... as a pro? IMO, the answer is "no". I'm all up for seeing a good fight, which I'm sure we will. But having an 11-fight pro billed as an overnight sensation and a threat to someone arguably in the top 3 current p4p rankings, is slightly odd.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?
I'm gonna turn this around and ask another question. Has Rigo fought even
1/10th the quality and "who's who" of opponents Donaire has faced and beaten.... as a pro? IMO, the answer is "no". I'm all up for seeing a good fight, which I'm sure we will.
But having an 11-fight pro billed as an overnight sensation and a threat to someone arguably in the top 3 current p4p rankings, is slightly odd.
The thing is Rigon might be better then his 11-0 record as a Pro would indicate, but I kind of doubt it. I haven't see anything in Rigon's 3 or 4 Pro fights that i've watched, against mediocre competition, that tells me he's on the same level as Donaire.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rigondeaux wins a decision here. Both Vic and Montiel were careless, Rigondeaux has been around a lot longer than his professional record indicates.
There is still something about Donaire that doesn't quite gel with me.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
There aren't 3 reasons he will flatten Rigondeux, only one - the left hook.
Can't decide who I reckon will win. From what I've seen Rigo is a better boxer on the outside. He has great sense of distance, very precise, and doesn't get tagged flush much. But he'll have to knock donaire out to win, because even if he outboxes donaire over 12 rounds, his cautious style probably means donaire is seen as pushing the action and so gets the nod from the judges.
If Donaire didn't have the big left hook, I'd come down off the fence onto Rigo's side. He probably won't get caught with it from a direct attack by Donaire, but I can see Rigo getting caught by a counter left hook when he throws his own left to the body and leaves his face hanging out unprotected (like donaire's ko of darchinyan).
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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bestjabwins
There aren't 3 reasons he will flatten Rigondeux, only one - the left hook.
Can't decide who I reckon will win. From what I've seen Rigo is a better boxer on the outside. He has great sense of distance, very precise, and doesn't get tagged flush much. But he'll have to knock donaire out to win, because even if he outboxes donaire over 12 rounds, his cautious style probably means donaire is seen as pushing the action and so gets the nod from the judges.
If Donaire didn't have the big left hook, I'd come down off the fence onto Rigo's side. He probably won't get caught with it from a direct attack by Donaire, but I can see Rigo getting caught by a counter left hook when he throws his own left to the body and leaves his face hanging out unprotected (like donaire's ko of darchinyan).
There's a lot more to Donaire's game then just the left hook, aside from Mayweather, at the moment he's the best P4P fighter in the world. It seems like many are giving Rigon way to much credit for what has primarily been a career as a Cuban amateur. I honestly don't get it, it makes no difference how long Rigon has been fighting, there's a huge difference between fighting 3 rounders against kids, and moving up to the Pro ranks and facing one of the best P4P fighters in the world.
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Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
After watching Rigondeaux get wobbled twice last time out I remember thinking "Donaire sparks him if they ever do fight" and I'm still thinking the same thing. Even if it goes to points I think Donaire does more offensively in the fight and wins a UD.
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Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?
I'm gonna turn this around and ask another question. Has Rigo fought even
1/10th the quality and "who's who" of opponents Donaire has faced and beaten.... as a pro? IMO, the answer is "no". I'm all up for seeing a good fight, which I'm sure we will.
But having an 11-fight pro billed as an overnight sensation and a threat to someone arguably in the top 3 current p4p rankings, is slightly odd.
The thing is Rigon might be better then his 11-0 record as a Pro would indicate, but I kind of doubt it. I haven't see anything in Rigon's 3 or 4 Pro fights that i've watched, against mediocre competition, that tells me he's on the same level as Donaire.
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Kirkland Laing
After watching Rigondeaux get wobbled twice last time out I remember thinking "Donaire sparks him if they ever do fight" and I'm still thinking the same thing. Even if it goes to points I think Donaire does more offensively in the fight and wins a UD.
You three could very well be correct, but I can still see Donaire being pushed here. In my opinion, Rigo is the second best junior featherweight, including Mares.
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Can't wait, can't wait, if this fight doesn't go the way I think it will, it will be a bigger surprise, to me, than the the way the last Marquez vs Pacquiao fight finished.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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There aren't 3 reasons he will flatten Rigondeux, only one - the left hook.
Can't decide who I reckon will win. From what I've seen Rigo is a better boxer on the outside. He has great sense of distance, very precise, and doesn't get tagged flush much. But he'll have to knock donaire out to win, because even if he outboxes donaire over 12 rounds, his cautious style probably means donaire is seen as pushing the action and so gets the nod from the judges.
If Donaire didn't have the big left hook, I'd come down off the fence onto Rigo's side. He probably won't get caught with it from a direct attack by Donaire, but I can see Rigo getting caught by a counter left hook when he throws his own left to the body and leaves his face hanging out unprotected (like donaire's ko of darchinyan).
There's a lot more to Donaire's game then just the left hook, aside from Mayweather, at the moment he's the best P4P fighter in the world.
It seems like many are giving Rigon way to much credit for what has primarily been a career as a Cuban amateur. I honestly don't get it, it makes no difference how long Rigon has been fighting, there's a huge difference between fighting 3 rounders against kids, and moving up to the Pro ranks and facing one of the best P4P fighters in the world.
There is more to his game but you have to admit, this is the punch you are expecting will 'flatten' rigondeux. He's in love with his left hook and power, and make no mistake, if Rigondeux gets a proper taste of it he'll be KTFO or running for the rest of the fight. But I still think Donaire is relying too much on his power and left hook.
Donaire the best P4P fighter after Mayweather ? Not for me, not yet. Firstly, he'll have to start beating elite level fighters that aren't smaller than him before giving him credit for being able to mythically beat all people at every other weight. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Donaire hater. I think he's dangerous with great potential but I don't think he has definitively proven his standing yet.
I hear what you are saying about a few people hyping Rigo's Olympic pedigree. But I've never put any stock in that, in fact I think one of Rigo's weaknesses is that he seems to drift out of a fight after the halfway mark of a pro fight, where a top level amateur bout might end. Its just that having only watched his professional fights it seems obvious to me his skills are way above average. He's not the type of fighter that is tailor made for Donaire. Donaire gets frustrated when other fighters don't stand in front of him or engage.
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Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Just found out this is on Box Nation Rigondeaux is good but Donaire is better.
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Re: 3 reasons why Donaire will flatten Rigondeaux April 13th
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I'm surprised that so many are picking Donaire over Rigo. I'm not so sure. I favor Donaire based on experience and flash, but I have to wonder, would Rigo have lost to any of the guys Donaire beat?
I'm gonna turn this around and ask another question. Has Rigo fought even
1/10th the quality and "who's who" of opponents Donaire has faced and beaten.... as a pro? IMO, the answer is "no". I'm all up for seeing a good fight, which I'm sure we will. But having an 11-fight pro billed as an overnight sensation and a threat to someone arguably in the top 3 current p4p rankings, is slightly odd.
Cordoba was a very good fighter. Ramos was supposed to be good
