Just seen this on BBC
BBC Sport - Steve Collins closer to Roy Jones Jr bout after being given licence
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Just seen this on BBC
BBC Sport - Steve Collins closer to Roy Jones Jr bout after being given licence
Just seen on here that this was mentioned as early as January
I must have missed it
Ah well. Will I watch ?? Of course I will
Roy's getting dangerously close to being remembered for all the wrong reasons.
"Now it has just come about this year. He's up for it. Otherwise, he was going to retire with people always bringing it up that 'you didn't want to fight Collins'. He wants to remove that before he retires."
LOL
Yes, its not the KO losses to Tarver, Johnson, Lebedev, or TKO loss to Green.......
Its that he didn't fight fucking Steve Collins ! THAT is what people will tarnish Jones's legacy for. :rolleyes:
He's still the best ever imo, but this is a really really embarassing fight to even contemplate.
Hmmm, a day or so ago, I mentioned something regarding the prime roy jones avoiding many top guys and fighting 2nd tiers instead, and after his prime was gone, then suddenly roy started taking those fights, but it was too late.
Steve Collins was one of those guys the prime roy avoided just as he did:
Dariusz Michalczewski.
Joe Calzaghe.
Bernard Hopkins rematch.
James Toney rematch.
Gerald McClellan.
Julian Jackson.
Nigel Benn.
Roy was at hs best from 1994 till about 2002.
If this farce happens, roy'll be getting knocked out again. How many times will that be, does anyone even know anymore?
Quit trying to pass yourself off as a boxing guru because that list ^ is borderline know nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Why didn't they happen then? For all those belts, was Roy ever the lineal Champ in ANY weight-class?
160, 168, 175, Heavyweight? Was he ever undisputed? No, Roy Jones was never The-Man-Who-Beat-The-Man in any weight class.
Happy trolling...
How about Collins avoided Roy? Did you ask Stevie why he never crossed the pond for the fight?
Dariusz Michalczewski.
Why did this tiger not go to the money? Like Mr. Collins he is just as responsible as Roy was for this fight not happening.
Joe Calzaghe.
Are you on glue? When could Roy and Joe have fought in their primes? Jones was dominating 175 when Joe was a bean sprout at 168.
Bernard Hopkins rematch.
Not even worthy because to do so would lend credibility to the inference.
James Toney rematch.
Yes its Roy’s fault that Toney had a food problem.
Gerald McClellan.
Are you kidding me?
Julian Jackson.
Are you ditto?
Nigel Benn.
See Steve Collins response.
Calzaghe won the 168 World Title in 1997.
Roy was at 168 in 1996 (then lost the next year at light-heavy with that despicable cheap shot KO of Montell Griffin, hitting him when he was down.)
Roy wasn't a big light-Heavy. And Calzaghe was no volume puncher back then; he knocked peoples' brains out back then until his hands went bad on him, and he was forced to change up his game. They should've fought in '98 or 99.
Instead, roy waits 10 years and Calzaghe completely clowned him.
The Champ calls the shots, not the contender, and Dariusz Michalczewski was the undefeated lineal Champ.
A contender doesn't dictate terms to the Champ, and contender Roy wasn't never even a big draw either by the way. Time and time again, Roy said he wasn't going to Germany. I know I've seen plenty of german fighters go to the states and get completely ripped off in America (Schultz/Foreman, Sturm/De La Hoya, Schmeling/Jim Braddock, Abraham/Dirrell,)
Hopkins will go down as being a much better fighter than Roy Jones.
When they fought in '93, Hopkins was still a bit green; he was a late bloomer and didn't put it all together till he was 30 years old in 1995. Then began the Hopkins domination of Middleweight, and Roy never wanted any more part of him. Roy denied him the rematch for 17 years until Roy needed the money.
Same for Toney. Roy struck when the opportunity was there, and knew he wasn't getting toney at his best at 168 because Toney was outgrowing the division in '94, and you know what? Roy didn't want to fight toney at his best.
Roy could've done that lucrative rematch in 1995, '96, '97 as they were in the same class, but Roy wouldn't do it again at light-Heavy because he knew Toney wouldn't be weight-drained.
Gerald McClellan. Roy says he wouldn't take that fight because they were friends. Bull$#!t. Fighters fight and want the opportunity, the money, the notoriety that they are The Man. Roy knew that this man was one of the most dangerous men in boxing and wanted no part of him. McClellan was at 168 in 1995 when his career ended. They were both middleweight title holders at the same time in '93 and '94, and both went up to super-Middle the same time too. Roy didn't want that fight.
Julian Jackson was still a very dangerous fighter in 1993, 94, and had only lost his Middleweight title to McClellan in '93, the same year that Roy won a Middleweight title.
Roy never wanted to step in with a 1-shot artist like Jackson.
It's because roy's weakness all along was his chin. When Roy got knocked out in the gym as an amateur, they hushed it up, but Sugar Ray Leonard was into promoting at the time and was there. It's why when Roy went pro, Sugar Ray wasn't going after Jones too hard the way the other promoters were; Ray figured the kid'll get caught before too long and would Roy be worth the investment seeing as Ray had the inside track.
The Dark Destroyer destroyed Gerald McClellan in 1995 at 168. Roy had a Title right then at 168. He didn't want what happened to McClellan to happen to him.
It's why Roy avoided the most dangerous guys.
Roy avoided these elite guys above and fought 2nd tiers instead like:
ricky frazier
antoine byrd
Vinnie Pazienza
eric lucas
tony thornton
merqui sosa
lou del valle
otis grant
reggie johnson
david telesco
richard hall
I'd propose that the vultures promoters hosting this farce of gloved zombies add "formerly known as" to the intros ???
Roy does in fact strike me as a guy trying to play catch up when its already passed him by...long ago. He literally sounds 'bad' on his commentary and boarderline delusional. I do think his 60-40 demand in a Hopkins rematch was a joke, and he didn't want any part of Benn. Shit, he was calling out Tito before Hopkins ever schooled him. I know, I know..I'm nutty. Money, ego, actual threat, or his ability to have hbo pay him the highest paying contact in history at that point to just knock over alphabet mandatories...fact is he had better fighters to face and he didn't. He would have demolished Jackson at middle, spr middle. Toney didn't deserve a rematch frankly, Jones got in his head and had him psyched out before the bell even rang and came in shit. Back to thread, sad cash out 'event'.
actually, dude is right on the money. jones ducked tough fights for years! and it made me hate him for it~!!! and i used to be a jones fan!!! before i saw the truth....Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuit trying to pass yourself off as a boxing guru because that list ^ is borderline know nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Jesus bradlee u have a vendeta against jones... By the way what made michalczewski the MAN who were his amazing victories against... Nicki piper? Jones stated he would not travlel openly as in the olympics he went to korea and smashed the home fighter only to get his gold medal cheated from him. What would you know of all that hard work for 4 years leading to the olympics all the sacrifices.. Im telling you as a coach and former fighter it hurts training hard and getting robbed on a shitty club show but i cant imagine the olympics! Of course u wouldnt want that to happen again. U can piss on every fighters opponents if u want but i find it a shit and sad way of thinking. He beat hopkins and then hopkins ruled the division hopkins was far from green he had 23 fights and was on a 22 winning streek 16 by ko. Thats when hopkins punch power seemed pretty dangereous. Toney was a master boxer and roy beat him fair and square. Jones became the first to knock out thulani malinga, who after this went on to beat nigel benn for the wbc title. He also beat gonzalez who beat michalclewski. I have forgot really what this thread is about.. Collins and jones. Shit match money only for both. Jones moved up from middleweight to heavy and won world titles. U cant touch that
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
Urban legend. The same people he is accused of ducking can also be accused of ducking him. Nothing has changed in that regard. False facts do not exist and that includes accusations of Roy Jones ducking people. Venue and ego played just as big a role then as it does now. And some of the fights he was expected to make in this thread are laughable and rebutted easily by just using a calender. I've seen people actually accuse Roy of ducking Calzaghe at 168 and yet Roy was well on his way at 175 when Joe became a WBO 168 champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFanactually, dude is right on the money. jones ducked tough fights for years! and it made me hate him for it~!!! and i used to be a jones fan!!! before i saw the truth....Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuit trying to pass yourself off as a boxing guru because that list ^ is borderline know nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
What fighter did roy jones duck that had a better resume and achieved more than roy jones did?
Nobody i dont understand why people hate on him so much ok his rap music is pish but i also hold my hat off to him for doing stuff with his money in a business way.. I remember watching jones vs ruiz id never ever seen someone so fast.. As a result i drunkinly repeated "hes fast".. But he was.
What fighter did roy jones duck that had a better resume and achieved more than roy jones did?!
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Jones did the right thing when he went to LH- and that was fight the mandatory in the division. He had to and it was his obligation to do so!
Jones, as is a lot of other fighters, including when Michael Moorer had to step up to HW, is that he got tired of HAVING to make a weight he was not comfortable at- 175 was a comfortable weight for RJJ.
As you can see, when he fought at HW, he was just about 201 lbs- and that was at fight night.
If Collins, Dariusz, et al... wanted to make a fight with Jones between 97 and 2002 when RJJ, they should have moved up in weight to challenge him.
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