Is there anyone who thought Donaire won, or the fight was razor close?

I had Donaire winning 2 rounds, and I can understand giving him 3.

But sweet jesus, I don't see how the fight was close at all. Yeah there was not much happening, but you have to figure there was one guy who had complete control of the ring and was consistently landing the clean, effective punches.

Yeah if you count Compubox totals the rounds seemed close, but Compubox will often give guys credit for punches that are glancing blows, half blocked, blocked entirely, and sometimes punches that miss the target entirely. I don't think there is any question that Rigo was landing the clean, effective blows in the fight, with the exception of course of the knockdown and the nice counter hook he nailed Rigo with early on.

It's always interesting when a fight like this comes up because you get to see the difference in which fight fans view boxing. I suspect a lot of people gave Donaire rounds he got lit up in just because he was moving foward (boxing rewards "effective aggressiveness", not just "aggressiveness").

Anyway I'd love to hear some people justify a close fight or even a Donaire win. Maybe you guys saw something I didn't. I saw Rigo taking Donaire to school.

I gave Donaire two rounds also pal and had one round draw where barely anything happened, cant remember which round. 114 - 113 was terrible....

Rigo I thought for a lot of early rounds especially made Donaire look silly. I was quite surprised that Donaire just didn't adjust at all. He really needed to ramp up the pressure but I'm betting Rigo hit pretty hard which is why he didn't.... Late in the third round Donaire tried to touch gloves, which they did I think, but it was for something limp, which to me just looked as a sign that Donaire conceded. He then did it again at the end of round 4 or 5. And that last round, Donaire just stayed at home. Strange he did that in so many rounds as he has the power to smoke anyone at that level IMO....

I really enjoyed the fight aside from a couple of the later rounds maybe 9 and 10 that were super quiet...

It wasn't a close fight at all by my reckoning and I found it very odd to hear the commentator keep giving Donaire credit just for coming forward, missing and never seeming to land. Rigo was too conservative for my sensibilities, but as a boxing fan, I can see when someone is winning rounds by being tactically clever and he was smart. He was making Donaire look VERY, VERY slow and one dimensional. The KD was a bit lucky too, but that final round was a total schooling. The fight was judged closer than it should have been and Donaire fought like a scared man towards the end. Rigo never fought scared, he fought clever.

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It wasn't a close fight at all by my reckoning and I found it very odd to hear the commentator keep giving Donaire credit just for coming forward, missing and never seeming to land. Rigo was too conservative for my sensibilities, but as a boxing fan, I can see when someone is winning rounds by being tactically clever and he was smart. He was making Donaire look VERY, VERY slow and one dimensional. The KD was a bit lucky too, but that final round was a total schooling. The fight was judged closer than it should have been and Donaire fought like a scared man towards the end. Rigo never fought scared, he fought clever.

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I'd be tempted to agree with that Miles. Although saying that, I thought there were a few moments scattered through the fight where Rigo looked almost ferocious and really let the punches go. Just not enough. I'd be tempted to say that if he had opened up earlier, Donaire was a touch scared, and could have brought on a stoppage. Although on the flip side, when he opened up, he left himself opne and got clocked a couple of times, one being the knockdown.

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It wasn't a close fight at all by my reckoning and I found it very odd to hear the commentator keep giving Donaire credit just for coming forward, missing and never seeming to land. Rigo was too conservative for my sensibilities, but as a boxing fan, I can see when someone is winning rounds by being tactically clever and he was smart. He was making Donaire look VERY, VERY slow and one dimensional. The KD was a bit lucky too, but that final round was a total schooling. The fight was judged closer than it should have been and Donaire fought like a scared man towards the end. Rigo never fought scared, he fought clever.

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What did you expect to hear? Something honest about a top rank star? Arum would have him killed, or at least out of job!

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It wasn't a close fight at all by my reckoning and I found it very odd to hear the commentator keep giving Donaire credit just for coming forward, missing and never seeming to land. Rigo was too conservative for my sensibilities, but as a boxing fan, I can see when someone is winning rounds by being tactically clever and he was smart. He was making Donaire look VERY, VERY slow and one dimensional. The KD was a bit lucky too, but that final round was a total schooling. The fight was judged closer than it should have been and Donaire fought like a scared man towards the end. Rigo never fought scared, he fought clever.

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I'd be tempted to agree with that Miles. Although saying that, I thought there were a few moments scattered through the fight where Rigo looked almost ferocious and really let the punches go. Just not enough. I'd be tempted to say that if he had opened up earlier, Donaire was a touch scared, and could have brought on a stoppage. Although on the flip side, when he opened up, he left himself opne and got clocked a couple of times, one being the knockdown.

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Sure, good points and I agree with what you say. Donaire was fighting scared and I guess that frustrated me in terms of Rigo as he could have been doing that little bit more. The KD pushed him into realising that this wasn't a strolling boxing match and things might not be so easy and he started to look for the big punches and in doing so, he cracked Donaire's face open. He could have done that sooner based on Donaire doing nothing really. And that KD was iffy. Not a proper KD.

I had this fight close:

I gave Donaire rd 4, 5 and 10 with the 10th being a 10-8 and Rigor ds 1, 3, 6 and 12. Rds 2, 7, 8 and 11 I gave draws giving 116-115 to Rigo.

If I take out the draws and had to give a winner to each rd id give Rigo 7 and 6 and donaire 11 and 2 making it 114-113 Rigo.

I felt a lot of Rounds Rigo did nothing in and although probably landed cleaner shots, didn’t land enough shots to win the rounds.. He was too slick though for Donaire who I thought would win by KO

I know Ill probably be slated for scoring too many even rounds but i thought a lot were hard to score. Round 5 I gave to Donaire because Rigo did absolutely nothing.

Any case I gave it to Rigo so happy the judges got it right. When I heard the big score of 116-111 I though it was going to be a Donaire robbery.

That was not a close fight in any way, Rigondeaux won the fight convincingly and left no doubts about who the better boxer is.
I was surprised, very surprised, that Donaire was never in the fight except for one brief moment. Donaire had no answer for Rigondeaux, and couldn't adapt, he is not on the same level as Rigondeaux.
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ring, I would like to say that I thought this fight was as boring as watching a bucket of crystal clear water.
According to Kellerman, if I was a "boxing purist", this fight would have been exciting as hell or a pure delight to watch.
Rigondeaux is a very skilled boxer, you could even say he is a magician in the ring, but if anyone ever tries to tell me he is exciting or fun to watch I'm going to laugh in their face.

I agree it was a boring fight. I love the "sweet science" as much as anyone, but there really wasn't enough offense to make for a compelling viewing experience. It was just one of those bad stylistic matchups, where two counter-punchers with big power stand around waiting for the other to move, like a "you punch first", "no, YOU punch first" kinda deal we've seen tons of times over the years.

I'm willing to give Rigo a pass on that one though, because when you're in your 12th pro fight and you're taking on someone of the caliber, and someone as beloved and talked about as Nonito Donaire, it may be best to get the win by any means, no matter how unappealing, and then worry about looking good the next time out. Also, Nonito is a very skilled counter puncher with brutal KO power, so stylistically it doesn't make sense to take too many risks.

I think Nonito deserves his fair share of the blame as well. He fought just as cautious as Rigo for the most part and didn't attack as much as he should have.

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I agree it was a boring fight. I love the "sweet science" as much as anyone, but there really wasn't enough offense to make for a compelling viewing experience. It was just one of those bad stylistic matchups, where two counter-punchers with big power stand around waiting for the other to move, like a "you punch first", "no, YOU punch first" kinda deal we've seen tons of times over the years.

I'm willing to give Rigo a pass on that one though, because when you're in your 12th pro fight and you're taking on someone of the caliber, and someone as beloved and talked about as Nonito Donaire, it may be best to get the win by any means, no matter how unappealing, and then worry about looking good the next time out. Also, Nonito is a very skilled counter puncher with brutal KO power, so stylistically it doesn't make sense to take too many risks.

I think Nonito deserves his fair share of the blame as well. He fought just as cautious as Rigo for the most part and didn't attack as much as he should have.

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Good post, and I agree with almost everything, but I can't give Rigondeaux a pass. I now believe all the hype about him, so he should have done more. The first ten rounds should have been a lot more like the last two, in my opinion.

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I agree it was a boring fight. I love the "sweet science" as much as anyone, but there really wasn't enough offense to make for a compelling viewing experience. It was just one of those bad stylistic matchups, where two counter-punchers with big power stand around waiting for the other to move, like a "you punch first", "no, YOU punch first" kinda deal we've seen tons of times over the years.

I'm willing to give Rigo a pass on that one though, because when you're in your 12th pro fight and you're taking on someone of the caliber, and someone as beloved and talked about as Nonito Donaire, it may be best to get the win by any means, no matter how unappealing, and then worry about looking good the next time out. Also, Nonito is a very skilled counter puncher with brutal KO power, so stylistically it doesn't make sense to take too many risks.

I think Nonito deserves his fair share of the blame as well. He fought just as cautious as Rigo for the most part and didn't attack as much as he should have.

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Good post, and I agree with almost everything, but I can't give Rigondeaux a pass. I now believe all the hype about him, so he should have done more. The first ten rounds should have been a lot more like the last two, in my opinion.

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It's a lot easier said than done, Beanflicker is dead on here. I thought the first minute of the fight was extremely telling in that both guys earned huge respect for their power off the bat. You could tell Donaire realized early on that getting KO'ed was a possibility, and from there on he rarely took any more risks than Rigo did. It's not fair to say he was the one pressing the action when all he did was plod forward for most of the fight. Rigondeaux was easily outboxing him, the onus isn't on him to wade in like a fool when Donaire was only looking for one shot much of the time. Clearly Rigo had every reason to be wary of that shot as it turned out, and I think the championship rounds really redeemed how negative he was in a few of the middle ones. He obviously has a chin and great recovery powers, I thought it was extremely impressive the way he took back control of the fight so soon after the KD, and the 12th round was just a mugging. Pretty damn good fight in the end imo.

I really enjoyed it.A fight that turned into a boxing match. The idea is to hit and not get hit and Rigo showed the template of how that is done and against the man hailed to be the cream of the crop. Rigo is not getting nearly enough credit. Instead some are concentrating on what Donaire didn't do and forgetting the reasons he could not do what was expected. Rigo is the reason.The right guy won but I cannot fathom how those two judges had it 114/113 and 115/112. They should both have their licenses revoked.Then there was lapdog making excuses for Donaire almost from the opening bell. He had a poor training camp, went for his first real run the morning of the fight, had a new baby on the way and the kicker for me that most of his training was done by phone. To use these excuses at this level of the sport is preposterous. Perhaps Donaire should take up another line of work. Oh yeah and the 3 year shoulder injury post fight added excuse was laughable and pathetic at the same time. He got shit kicked plain and simple.Lapdogs closing statements essentially claiming he'd like to see a rematch with a 100% Donaire but Rigo would have to go to 126 was classless. It suggests again that this was not the real deal. Cant people just give credit where credit is due. Donaire got outworked, out boxed, out punched, out sped, out pointed out flashed and out ring general shipped. Other then those minor details, he won the fight.

Doniare looked like he didn't have a clue in there. He fought Rigos fight and it wasn't by choice. He was being manuvered, feinted and was a step behind the majority of the time and his vaunted power was neutralized. He had zero plan B. Rigo will never blaze a fire and have the edge of my sofa being worn out but he did what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it and controlled the ring and Donaire just plodded in and looked like a spectator and didn't get off with effect. I don't think its rocket science, Donaire was outclassed.

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I really enjoyed it.A fight that turned into a boxing match. The idea is to hit and not get hit and Rigo showed the template of how that is done and against the man hailed to be the cream of the crop. Rigo is not getting nearly enough credit. Instead some are concentrating on what Donaire didn't do and forgetting the reasons he could not do what was expected. Rigo is the reason.The right guy won but I cannot fathom how those two judges had it 114/113 and 115/112. They should both have their licenses revoked.Then there was lapdog making excuses for Donaire almost from the opening bell. He had a poor training camp, went for his first real run the morning of the fight, had a new baby on the way and the kicker for me that most of his training was done by phone. To use these excuses at this level of the sport is preposterous. Perhaps Donaire should take up another line of work. Oh yeah and the 3 year shoulder injury post fight added excuse was laughable and pathetic at the same time. He got shit kicked plain and simple.Lapdogs closing statements essentially claiming he'd like to see a rematch with a 100% Donaire but Rigo would have to go to 126 was classless. It suggests again that this was not the real deal. Cant people just give credit where credit is due. Donaire got outworked, out boxed, out punched, out sped, out pointed out flashed and out ring general shipped. Other then those minor details, he won the fight.

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Are you mad? - means he gave donaire 4 rounds. You could easily give Donaire 3 of the first 9 and 10-8 round 10. I had it 116-115 but scoring 4 even rounds is frowned upon here. 115-112 is a very fair reflection of the fight in my opinion

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I really enjoyed it.A fight that turned into a boxing match. The idea is to hit and not get hit and Rigo showed the template of how that is done and against the man hailed to be the cream of the crop. Rigo is not getting nearly enough credit. Instead some are concentrating on what Donaire didn't do and forgetting the reasons he could not do what was expected. Rigo is the reason.The right guy won but I cannot fathom how those two judges had it 114/113 and 115/112. They should both have their licenses revoked.Then there was lapdog making excuses for Donaire almost from the opening bell. He had a poor training camp, went for his first real run the morning of the fight, had a new baby on the way and the kicker for me that most of his training was done by phone. To use these excuses at this level of the sport is preposterous. Perhaps Donaire should take up another line of work. Oh yeah and the 3 year shoulder injury post fight added excuse was laughable and pathetic at the same time. He got shit kicked plain and simple.Lapdogs closing statements essentially claiming he'd like to see a rematch with a 100% Donaire but Rigo would have to go to 126 was classless. It suggests again that this was not the real deal. Cant people just give credit where credit is due. Donaire got outworked, out boxed, out punched, out sped, out pointed out flashed and out ring general shipped. Other then those minor details, he won the fight.

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Are you mad? - means he gave donaire 4 rounds. You could easily give Donaire 3 of the first 9 and 10-8 round 10. I had it 116-115 but scoring 4 even rounds is frowned upon here. 115-112 is a very fair reflection of the fight in my opinion

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No quite sane and I just watched the fight again and its generous to give Donaire 2 rounds. He got a lesson. This fight was not even close.

Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

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Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

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Its hard to know. He fought some decent guys but towards the end of their careers so hard to know if they were past it. I always thought he was a bully, always fighting smaller guys. Also thought he was ducking Rigo and then when Rigo looked poor against Marroquin decided to take it as he thought Rigo might have been passed it.Id like to see him move up in weight. Hopefully Rigo comes over and fights Quigg or Frampton, not because i think theyd win but would love to see rigo again. Only got a minute of him last time he was over with big bang.

Apart from Rigo, this division looks there for the taking fro Frampton and Quigg. Theyd both be in for a shout against anyone.

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Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

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He fell in love with the power and headlines. I was never a fan but get the feeling he never really knuckled down and fine tuned to become a guy with solid grounded and well rounded fundementals. When he was loading up bombs and one shoting guys he looked twice as big as he ignored basics that Rigo was doing when he was wearing a diaper.

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Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

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I've always thought he was a hypejob also and I think you are bang on on the style matchup. Yes it was impressive when he stopped Vic but the guy leads with his face and is easily timed. When he moved up and fought Sidorenko it looked like he was fighting a child he was so much bigger. Sidorenko also had 2 left feet and terrible movement. Same with Montiel. Stood right in front of him and tried to out slug him while again being the smaller man. He's been on the Erik Morales 122 diet plan because in every fight since then he has also been the much bigger man including last night. I bet he had 10 pounds on Rigo at least. He went out there thinking all he had to do was land the Suzi Q but when Rigo took that away from him he had no plan B and neither did Garcia.

Anyone notice Donaire went to touch gloves three times in the first four rounds? Rigo landed low in 4th, ref breaks them, Donaire reaches out to touch gloves and Rigo ignores it. What is that?

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Anyone notice Donaire went to touch gloves three times in the first four rounds? Rigo landed low in 4th, ref breaks them, Donaire reaches out to touch gloves and Rigo ignores it. What is that?

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Yea reminded me of Pac - Mosely. Hate it when fighters do that

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Anyone notice Donaire went to touch gloves three times in the first four rounds? Rigo landed low in 4th, ref breaks them, Donaire reaches out to touch gloves and Rigo ignores it. What is that?

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Yea reminded me of Pac - Mosely. Hate it when fighters do that

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Yeah and Shane/Floyd.

I had Donaire winning, the fight was poor at times and sometimes I did not want to give either fighter the round. Donaire at least tried and made a go of it.

It was not a close fight at all. Donaire was following Guillermo and not cutting the ring down. He wasn't fighting with any sense of urgency once he got behind either, not til very late. He hardly threw any punches.

It was a lot like a Hopkins boxing clinic, but with more footwork and more punching power for his weight from the Cuban.

That knockdown was due to Donaire being dirty and clever in that he held, used his elbow a la Floyd Mayweather then pushed off and hit Rigondeaux on the break as he was squared up. He wasn't quite on the break, but it was close.

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I had Donaire winning 2 rounds, and I can understand giving him 3.

But sweet jesus, I don't see how the fight was close at all. Yeah there was not much happening, but you have to figure there was one guy who had complete control of the ring and was consistently landing the clean, effective punches.

Yeah if you count Compubox totals the rounds seemed close, but Compubox will often give guys credit for punches that are glancing blows, half blocked, blocked entirely, and sometimes punches that miss the target entirely. I don't think there is any question that Rigo was landing the clean, effective blows in the fight, with the exception of course of the knockdown and the nice counter hook he nailed Rigo with early on.

It's always interesting when a fight like this comes up because you get to see the difference in which fight fans view boxing. I suspect a lot of people gave Donaire rounds he got lit up in just because he was moving foward (boxing rewards "effective aggressiveness", not just "aggressiveness").

Anyway I'd love to hear some people justify a close fight or even a Donaire win. Maybe you guys saw something I didn't. I saw Rigo taking Donaire to school.

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Mate I was watching Steven Hawking the other night explaining points of view and how people will see different things due to their experiences and also their expectations.
Our eyes physically only see a fraction of what you think you do, your brain fills in the rest to make the overall picture (we are talking way over 50%) !!!.

I found that amazing, but it answers a few questions as to how some can get a score miles aside from some another (their preferences are outweighing the rules ).

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I had Donaire winning 2 rounds, and I can understand giving him 3.

But sweet jesus, I don't see how the fight was close at all. Yeah there was not much happening, but you have to figure there was one guy who had complete control of the ring and was consistently landing the clean, effective punches.

Yeah if you count Compubox totals the rounds seemed close, but Compubox will often give guys credit for punches that are glancing blows, half blocked, blocked entirely, and sometimes punches that miss the target entirely. I don't think there is any question that Rigo was landing the clean, effective blows in the fight, with the exception of course of the knockdown and the nice counter hook he nailed Rigo with early on.

It's always interesting when a fight like this comes up because you get to see the difference in which fight fans view boxing. I suspect a lot of people gave Donaire rounds he got lit up in just because he was moving foward (boxing rewards "effective aggressiveness", not just "aggressiveness").

Anyway I'd love to hear some people justify a close fight or even a Donaire win. Maybe you guys saw something I didn't. I saw Rigo taking Donaire to school.

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Mate I was watching Steven Hawking the other night explaining points of view and how people will see different things due to their experiences and also their expectations.
Our eyes physically only see a fraction of what you think you do, your brain fills in the rest to make the overall picture (we are talking way over 50%) !!!.

I found that amazing, but it answers a few questions as to how some can get a score miles aside from some another (their preferences are outweighing the rules ).

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A ten point must system is what it is. It has a criteria to be met and not expected. The only reason Rigo won was because it was impossible to hide. They even returned to count the scores. This is simply not what they had in mind.The right guy won in the end on all 3 cards and if that fight went 15 Donaire would have been stopped.

Donaire just seemed lost for the majority of the fight.

Considering the circumstances, if I were generous then the fight would be 3 to 9 in Rigo's favor. The way I see it, Donaire only clearly won the KD round. Every other round Rigo either clearly won or they both got lost in subjectivity due to how inactive both fighters were.

Simply put, Donaire blew it. He didn't dig deep enough. It's such a shame because he has the skill set to AT LEAST make this a more competitive fight, a more even fight. Rigo pulled out the same tricks and Donaire kept playing into them over and over. Donaire would throw lazy jabs and Rigo would make him pay for it. Donaire keeps swiping his left hook over the top of Rigo's head, Rigo would pivot out, sometimes getting away with a hit before he ghosted.

I'm going to go so far as to say Rigo got knocked down partly because of Donaire's power and partly because Rigo was expecting a break. Because he was not seriously hurt.

This fight was not close.

I gave Donaire rounds 4, 7 and 10 . So my card is 116-111 . Not close at all. If Donaire wouldn't land that shot that knocked Rigo down, he would probably lose the round lol

Rigondeaux negated Donaire throughout the fight, it wasn't pretty, but he was effective. Donaire simply had no plan B when it was very clear that Rigondeaux's use of the ring was causing Donaire problems. Rigo was not going to fully engage Donaire at close range and get nailed like Vic or Montiel. Donaire failed to adapt and apply enough pressure, by mid rounds Rigo knew Donaire was not going to land anything substantial enough to upset his own ring plan. I doubt Donaire can beat him again in a rematch?

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I had this fight close:

I gave Donaire rd 4, 5 and 10 with the 10th being a 10-8 and Rigor ds 1, 3, 6 and 12. Rds 2, 7, 8 and 11 I gave draws giving 116-115 to Rigo.

If I take out the draws and had to give a winner to each rd id give Rigo 7 and 6 and donaire 11 and 2 making it 114-113 Rigo.

I felt a lot of Rounds Rigo did nothing in and although probably landed cleaner shots, didn’t land enough shots to win the rounds.. He was too slick though for Donaire who I thought would win by KO

I know Ill probably be slated for scoring too many even rounds but i thought a lot were hard to score. Round 5 I gave to Donaire because Rigo did absolutely nothing.

Any case I gave it to Rigo so happy the judges got it right. When I heard the big score of 116-111 I though it was going to be a Donaire robbery.

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Master; I had Donaire winning, the fight was poor at times and sometimes I did not want to give either fighter the round. Donaire at least tried and made a go of it.

*No shit..! u had Donaire winning... what were u on? I'm just asking.. musta been a great high.

I predicted that Rigon would beat him.

It was close but he did do enough.

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Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

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Its hard to know. He fought some decent guys but towards the end of their careers so hard to know if they were past it. I always thought he was a bully, always fighting smaller guys. Also thought he was ducking Rigo and then when Rigo looked poor against Marroquin decided to take it as he thought Rigo might have been passed it.Id like to see him move up in weight. Hopefully Rigo comes over and fights Quigg or Frampton, not because i think theyd win but would love to see rigo again. Only got a minute of him last time he was over with big bang.

Apart from Rigo, this division looks there for the taking fro Frampton and Quigg. Theyd both be in for a shout against anyone.

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Not only was he over hyped but benifitted from fighting smaller washed upguys. Rig schooled him and totally exposed his lack of true craft. Nonitos best and only asset is his power hook. I also witnessed him puss out in the 12th when he got hurt. Mares would totally outbully him and make him quit. Another over hyped filipino puppet of Top Rank gets a fierce beating when put in with top notch talent.

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I had this fight close:

I gave Donaire rd 4, 5 and 10 with the 10th being a 10-8 and Rigor ds 1, 3, 6 and 12. Rds 2, 7, 8 and 11 I gave draws giving 116-115 to Rigo.

If I take out the draws and had to give a winner to each rd id give Rigo 7 and 6 and donaire 11 and 2 making it 114-113 Rigo.

I felt a lot of Rounds Rigo did nothing in and although probably landed cleaner shots, didn’t land enough shots to win the rounds.. He was too slick though for Donaire who I thought would win by KO

I know Ill probably be slated for scoring too many even rounds but i thought a lot were hard to score. Round 5 I gave to Donaire because Rigo did absolutely nothing.

Any case I gave it to Rigo so happy the judges got it right. When I heard the big score of 116-111 I though it was going to be a Donaire robbery.

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Master; I had Donaire winning, the fight was poor at times and sometimes I did not want to give either fighter the round. Donaire at least tried and made a go of it.

*No shit..! u had Donaire winning... what were u on? I'm just asking.. musta been a great high.

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High on Pinoy pride.... I had Nonito winning 2 rounds and playing the role of a bitch in the 12th. Totally quit when he really got tagged. No Mexican fighter would have pulled that caution bullshit

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I had this fight close:

I gave Donaire rd 4, 5 and 10 with the 10th being a 10-8 and Rigor ds 1, 3, 6 and 12. Rds 2, 7, 8 and 11 I gave draws giving 116-115 to Rigo.

If I take out the draws and had to give a winner to each rd id give Rigo 7 and 6 and donaire 11 and 2 making it 114-113 Rigo.

I felt a lot of Rounds Rigo did nothing in and although probably landed cleaner shots, didn’t land enough shots to win the rounds.. He was too slick though for Donaire who I thought would win by KO

I know Ill probably be slated for scoring too many even rounds but i thought a lot were hard to score. Round 5 I gave to Donaire because Rigo did absolutely nothing.

Any case I gave it to Rigo so happy the judges got it right. When I heard the big score of 116-111 I though it was going to be a Donaire robbery.

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*So..according to what u posted here, u had Donaire ahead after 5 rounds... lol..DAMN.



Master; I had Donaire winning, the fight was poor at times and sometimes I did not want to give either fighter the round. Donaire at least tried and made a go of it.

*No shit..! u had Donaire winning... what were u on? I'm just asking.. musta been a great high.

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High on Pinoy pride.... I had Nonito winning 2 rounds and playing the role of a bitch in the 12th. Totally quit when he really got tagged. No Mexican fighter would have pulled that caution bullshit

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I had it even after 5.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

I gave Donaire rounds 4, 7 and 10 . So my card is 116-111 . Not close at all. If Donaire wouldn't land that shot that knocked Rigo down, he would probably lose the round lol

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Round 5 and 2 were very close. I can definitely see an argument for Donaire in those 2. Giving Donaire makes it 114-113, a close fight, or giving the 2 rounds even, 116-113 again close enough

@Andre you may be right, looking at what other people have said I may have seen too much from Donaire and not enough from Rigo. It was not a entertaining fight and I think their styles make up for a dull fight.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I had Donaire winning 2 rounds, and I can understand giving him 3.

But sweet jesus, I don't see how the fight was close at all. Yeah there was not much happening, but you have to figure there was one guy who had complete control of the ring and was consistently landing the clean, effective punches.

Yeah if you count Compubox totals the rounds seemed close, but Compubox will often give guys credit for punches that are glancing blows, half blocked, blocked entirely, and sometimes punches that miss the target entirely. I don't think there is any question that Rigo was landing the clean, effective blows in the fight, with the exception of course of the knockdown and the nice counter hook he nailed Rigo with early on.

It's always interesting when a fight like this comes up because you get to see the difference in which fight fans view boxing. I suspect a lot of people gave Donaire rounds he got lit up in just because he was moving foward (boxing rewards "effective aggressiveness", not just "aggressiveness").

Anyway I'd love to hear some people justify a close fight or even a Donaire win. Maybe you guys saw something I didn't. I saw Rigo taking Donaire to school.

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I don't know about "school", but Rigon got the better of Donaire who was ineffective, due mainly to Rigon slipping or moving away from his punches. Rigon winning 116-111 sounds about right to me.

I had it close but I gave it to Rigo 7-5 on the cards.

I had it 2-2 after 4 but I didn't once have Donaire ahead in the fight. I should point out that my Sky cut (no signal) 2 minutes into the 11th. At that point I had Donaire winning the round because he'd landed the harder shots but I read reports that Rigo gave him a beating the the last minute so my scored may have changed to 8 rounds to 4. Gave it what I'd seen to that point though.

Just watched the replay of this last night...this fight was not close AT ALL. Were some of you watching the same fight?! Rigo completely outboxed and outclassed Donaire.

Downloaded a torrent of the fight yesterday and have watched it twice. The only rounds I gave Donaire were the second and tenth. Rigo's movement away from the left hook was just too much for him to handle. I can think of only a few times he was even in position to land it, let alone effectively. At times saw Rigo when under pressure and about to be pushed to the ropes land a lead left on the move before pivoting away and under a possible left hook which was nice to see and a sign that he's adding some more wrinkles to his pro game. As for it being a boring fight, yeh some of the middle rounds were absolute stinkers but in my opinion Rigo's entitled to use his low risk style. The guy's risked everything already just to be able to fight pro. He's lost his family, friends and country so if he's got the skills and knowledge to take an early lead on the cards and the champ that's talked all this shit about knocking him out cold doesn't want to take the risks he should be then it's Donaire's fault and no one else's. Plus the times Donaire actually used his much vaunted power Rigo came back harder almost everytime. Rigo is a legend in the making, his ability and story are incredible and if you put him in with the same brawlers Donaire's been in he'd seem entertaining as well. Add the fact that his gold teeth are his Olympiic medals :o