Is there anyone who thought Donaire won, or the fight was razor close?

[beenKOed]

I agree it was a boring fight. I love the "sweet science" as much as anyone, but there really wasn't enough offense to make for a compelling viewing experience. It was just one of those bad stylistic matchups, where two counter-punchers with big power stand around waiting for the other to move, like a "you punch first", "no, YOU punch first" kinda deal we've seen tons of times over the years.

I'm willing to give Rigo a pass on that one though, because when you're in your 12th pro fight and you're taking on someone of the caliber, and someone as beloved and talked about as Nonito Donaire, it may be best to get the win by any means, no matter how unappealing, and then worry about looking good the next time out. Also, Nonito is a very skilled counter puncher with brutal KO power, so stylistically it doesn't make sense to take too many risks.

I think Nonito deserves his fair share of the blame as well. He fought just as cautious as Rigo for the most part and didn't attack as much as he should have.

Good post, and I agree with almost everything, but I can't give Rigondeaux a pass. I now believe all the hype about him, so he should have done more. The first ten rounds should have been a lot more like the last two, in my opinion.

[p4pking]

I agree it was a boring fight. I love the "sweet science" as much as anyone, but there really wasn't enough offense to make for a compelling viewing experience. It was just one of those bad stylistic matchups, where two counter-punchers with big power stand around waiting for the other to move, like a "you punch first", "no, YOU punch first" kinda deal we've seen tons of times over the years.

I'm willing to give Rigo a pass on that one though, because when you're in your 12th pro fight and you're taking on someone of the caliber, and someone as beloved and talked about as Nonito Donaire, it may be best to get the win by any means, no matter how unappealing, and then worry about looking good the next time out. Also, Nonito is a very skilled counter puncher with brutal KO power, so stylistically it doesn't make sense to take too many risks.

I think Nonito deserves his fair share of the blame as well. He fought just as cautious as Rigo for the most part and didn't attack as much as he should have.

Good post, and I agree with almost everything, but I can't give Rigondeaux a pass. I now believe all the hype about him, so he should have done more. The first ten rounds should have been a lot more like the last two, in my opinion.

It's a lot easier said than done, Beanflicker is dead on here. I thought the first minute of the fight was extremely telling in that both guys earned huge respect for their power off the bat. You could tell Donaire realized early on that getting KO'ed was a possibility, and from there on he rarely took any more risks than Rigo did. It's not fair to say he was the one pressing the action when all he did was plod forward for most of the fight. Rigondeaux was easily outboxing him, the onus isn't on him to wade in like a fool when Donaire was only looking for one shot much of the time. Clearly Rigo had every reason to be wary of that shot as it turned out, and I think the championship rounds really redeemed how negative he was in a few of the middle ones. He obviously has a chin and great recovery powers, I thought it was extremely impressive the way he took back control of the fight so soon after the KD, and the 12th round was just a mugging. Pretty damn good fight in the end imo.

[IamInuit]

I really enjoyed it.A fight that turned into a boxing match. The idea is to hit and not get hit and Rigo showed the template of how that is done and against the man hailed to be the cream of the crop. Rigo is not getting nearly enough credit. Instead some are concentrating on what Donaire didn't do and forgetting the reasons he could not do what was expected. Rigo is the reason.The right guy won but I cannot fathom how those two judges had it 114/113 and 115/112. They should both have their licenses revoked.Then there was lapdog making excuses for Donaire almost from the opening bell. He had a poor training camp, went for his first real run the morning of the fight, had a new baby on the way and the kicker for me that most of his training was done by phone. To use these excuses at this level of the sport is preposterous. Perhaps Donaire should take up another line of work. Oh yeah and the 3 year shoulder injury post fight added excuse was laughable and pathetic at the same time. He got shit kicked plain and simple.Lapdogs closing statements essentially claiming he'd like to see a rematch with a 100% Donaire but Rigo would have to go to 126 was classless. It suggests again that this was not the real deal. Cant people just give credit where credit is due. Donaire got outworked, out boxed, out punched, out sped, out pointed out flashed and out ring general shipped. Other then those minor details, he won the fight.

[Spicoli]

Doniare looked like he didn't have a clue in there. He fought Rigos fight and it wasn't by choice. He was being manuvered, feinted and was a step behind the majority of the time and his vaunted power was neutralized. He had zero plan B. Rigo will never blaze a fire and have the edge of my sofa being worn out but he did what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it and controlled the ring and Donaire just plodded in and looked like a spectator and didn't get off with effect. I don't think its rocket science, Donaire was outclassed.

[Silkeyjoe]

I really enjoyed it.A fight that turned into a boxing match. The idea is to hit and not get hit and Rigo showed the template of how that is done and against the man hailed to be the cream of the crop. Rigo is not getting nearly enough credit. Instead some are concentrating on what Donaire didn't do and forgetting the reasons he could not do what was expected. Rigo is the reason.The right guy won but I cannot fathom how those two judges had it 114/113 and 115/112. They should both have their licenses revoked.Then there was lapdog making excuses for Donaire almost from the opening bell. He had a poor training camp, went for his first real run the morning of the fight, had a new baby on the way and the kicker for me that most of his training was done by phone. To use these excuses at this level of the sport is preposterous. Perhaps Donaire should take up another line of work. Oh yeah and the 3 year shoulder injury post fight added excuse was laughable and pathetic at the same time. He got shit kicked plain and simple.Lapdogs closing statements essentially claiming he'd like to see a rematch with a 100% Donaire but Rigo would have to go to 126 was classless. It suggests again that this was not the real deal. Cant people just give credit where credit is due. Donaire got outworked, out boxed, out punched, out sped, out pointed out flashed and out ring general shipped. Other then those minor details, he won the fight.

Are you mad? - means he gave donaire 4 rounds. You could easily give Donaire 3 of the first 9 and 10-8 round 10. I had it 116-115 but scoring 4 even rounds is frowned upon here. 115-112 is a very fair reflection of the fight in my opinion

[IamInuit]

I really enjoyed it.A fight that turned into a boxing match. The idea is to hit and not get hit and Rigo showed the template of how that is done and against the man hailed to be the cream of the crop. Rigo is not getting nearly enough credit. Instead some are concentrating on what Donaire didn't do and forgetting the reasons he could not do what was expected. Rigo is the reason.The right guy won but I cannot fathom how those two judges had it 114/113 and 115/112. They should both have their licenses revoked.Then there was lapdog making excuses for Donaire almost from the opening bell. He had a poor training camp, went for his first real run the morning of the fight, had a new baby on the way and the kicker for me that most of his training was done by phone. To use these excuses at this level of the sport is preposterous. Perhaps Donaire should take up another line of work. Oh yeah and the 3 year shoulder injury post fight added excuse was laughable and pathetic at the same time. He got shit kicked plain and simple.Lapdogs closing statements essentially claiming he'd like to see a rematch with a 100% Donaire but Rigo would have to go to 126 was classless. It suggests again that this was not the real deal. Cant people just give credit where credit is due. Donaire got outworked, out boxed, out punched, out sped, out pointed out flashed and out ring general shipped. Other then those minor details, he won the fight.

Are you mad? - means he gave donaire 4 rounds. You could easily give Donaire 3 of the first 9 and 10-8 round 10. I had it 116-115 but scoring 4 even rounds is frowned upon here. 115-112 is a very fair reflection of the fight in my opinion

No quite sane and I just watched the fight again and its generous to give Donaire 2 rounds. He got a lesson. This fight was not even close.

[Hulk]

It was not a close fight at all. Donaire was following Guillermo and not cutting the ring down. He wasn't fighting with any sense of urgency once he got behind either, not til very late. He hardly threw any punches.

It was a lot like a Hopkins boxing clinic, but with more footwork and more punching power for his weight from the Cuban.

That knockdown was due to Donaire being dirty and clever in that he held, used his elbow a la Floyd Mayweather then pushed off and hit Rigondeaux on the break as he was squared up. He wasn't quite on the break, but it was close.

[Mr140]

Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

[Silkeyjoe]

Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

Its hard to know. He fought some decent guys but towards the end of their careers so hard to know if they were past it. I always thought he was a bully, always fighting smaller guys. Also thought he was ducking Rigo and then when Rigo looked poor against Marroquin decided to take it as he thought Rigo might have been passed it.Id like to see him move up in weight. Hopefully Rigo comes over and fights Quigg or Frampton, not because i think theyd win but would love to see rigo again. Only got a minute of him last time he was over with big bang.

Apart from Rigo, this division looks there for the taking fro Frampton and Quigg. Theyd both be in for a shout against anyone.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

Its hard to know. He fought some decent guys but towards the end of their careers so hard to know if they were past it. I always thought he was a bully, always fighting smaller guys. Also thought he was ducking Rigo and then when Rigo looked poor against Marroquin decided to take it as he thought Rigo might have been passed it.Id like to see him move up in weight. Hopefully Rigo comes over and fights Quigg or Frampton, not because i think theyd win but would love to see rigo again. Only got a minute of him last time he was over with big bang.

Apart from Rigo, this division looks there for the taking fro Frampton and Quigg. Theyd both be in for a shout against anyone.

Not only was he over hyped but benifitted from fighting smaller washed upguys. Rig schooled him and totally exposed his lack of true craft. Nonitos best and only asset is his power hook. I also witnessed him puss out in the 12th when he got hurt. Mares would totally outbully him and make him quit. Another over hyped filipino puppet of Top Rank gets a fierce beating when put in with top notch talent.

[Spicoli]

Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

He fell in love with the power and headlines. I was never a fan but get the feeling he never really knuckled down and fine tuned to become a guy with solid grounded and well rounded fundementals. When he was loading up bombs and one shoting guys he looked twice as big as he ignored basics that Rigo was doing when he was wearing a diaper.

[IamInuit]

Say this again that Donaire is one of the most overrated guys that were on the top 10 to be honest. He had a few good wins but they were really far apart from one another. Then he fights a top guy who wont stand in front of him and he looks lost i dont think he should of been so high on his rank at all.

I've always thought he was a hypejob also and I think you are bang on on the style matchup. Yes it was impressive when he stopped Vic but the guy leads with his face and is easily timed. When he moved up and fought Sidorenko it looked like he was fighting a child he was so much bigger. Sidorenko also had 2 left feet and terrible movement. Same with Montiel. Stood right in front of him and tried to out slug him while again being the smaller man. He's been on the Erik Morales 122 diet plan because in every fight since then he has also been the much bigger man including last night. I bet he had 10 pounds on Rigo at least. He went out there thinking all he had to do was land the Suzi Q but when Rigo took that away from him he had no plan B and neither did Garcia.

[Spicoli]

Anyone notice Donaire went to touch gloves three times in the first four rounds? Rigo landed low in 4th, ref breaks them, Donaire reaches out to touch gloves and Rigo ignores it. What is that?