Anyone see this differently? Martinez is definitely taking Murray out. I lumped on him. No chance for Murray here.
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Anyone see this differently? Martinez is definitely taking Murray out. I lumped on him. No chance for Murray here.
I can see the reverse happening.
No chance Im afraid. Murray is so limited. Martinez will pick him apart and stop him round 6-9Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
There is always a chance I'm afraid.
Martinez is clearly a much better boxer than Murray. Murray is younger and hungrier though and will not underestimate the challenge he faces away from home in very hostile territory. Murray has no problem with his knees, Murray has not just undergone surgery on his shoulder.
Fair enough - 1% chance;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Domestically Murray is probably just behind Macklin but capable of beating him and certainly behind Barker who would beat either. Neither could quite step it up enough to beat Martinez but neither fight was a mismatch. Martinez is clearly slowing and if you pressure him he can fumble. Murray can pressure him and could drop him. I just get the feeling that Sergio is looking past Murray and starting to fall to pieces.
No chance. I have Macklin and Barker well ahead of Murray. I presume your basing a lot of this on Martinez v Chavez. Chavez is a lot bigger and stronger then Murray. If Murray takes the shots Chavez did, which he will when he plods forward, he will get KOd. Murray is very overrated in Britain and after he loses here and when Golovkin beats Mack I hope the 2 fight so Macklin can show he is far better then himQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I think there is a decent chance Murray can win. Martinez is a superb boxer, but I've seen a few signs that age is catching him. I believe Sergio will win, but it isn't a given by any means.
saying martinez will KO murray aint reallt a very brave prediction
"hungrier" is difficult to measure. Some boxers come always ready - Mayweather, Hopkins, Martinez, others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Seems that a practical measure of "hunger" is not some subjective feeling on the part of the fan base or the commentators, but the actual readiness for any given fight.
Gentlemen, where are the signs that Martinez has aged? The only signs I see are that he needed surgery on his knee and shoulder, but in the ring, he looked the best he probably has against Junior. Save the final round, he thorougly dominated Junior. Junior didn't even win one round on my scorecard until the last. Let that resonate for a moment. I think you can make a good argument that it wasn't Junior's pressure that brought about near disaster in the last round, but Martinez's error. Barker and Macklin won rounds against Sergio. So, in my opinion, there is a reasonable chance that Sergio is in now peak form.
To play devil's advocate, however, Sergio is 38 years old, and coming off of surgery on his knee, which for a fighter that relies on movement, and foot placement, could really affect his ability to fight his fight. Murray proved he is at the top level with his performance against Sturm. Granted Sturm isn't Martinez, but Murray proved his mettle then, and he did it in Germany in front of Sturm's fans. He won't be intimidated in Buenos Aires. He's also younger and will fight the fight of his life. A win here propels him to stardom and big money fights.
If the odds were such that there was value in placing a few quid on Murray, it might make s$nse to do it, but the safer bet clearly is Martinez.
Has Murray ever been dropped or stopped?
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNo chance. I have Macklin and Barker well ahead of Murray. I presume your basing a lot of this on Martinez v Chavez. Chavez is a lot bigger and stronger then Murray. If Murray takes the shots Chavez did, which he will when he plods forward, he will get KOd. Murray is very overrated in Britain and after he loses here and when Golovkin beats Mack I hope the 2 fight so Macklin can show he is far better then himQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Barker simply embarrasses Macklin. You presume a lot. You seem eager to overcompensate for you probably see as British nut hugging by dismissing fighters who clearly are not as krap as you think they are. GG is way too much for Macklin and when he loses he will struggle to get past Murray's defense. He may win, he may not but it is nothing like the mismatch that you think it is.
Martinez is a very good boxer with good power, it would be a big surprise if he lost. I haven't seen much of Murray so I'm looking forward to the fight.
I don't think Martinez would get in the ring if he was not close to100%, he learned lesson.
This fight is on Box Nation and Martinez will destroy and stop Murray as he has with all our British hopes.
Murray would a have decent chance, considering Sergio's wear and tear, if he could punch. But he can't. If Murray doesn't get knocked out he's done well.
We will see. I've seen plent of Murray and I know what he can do. He is nothing special. I still think Macklin beats Barker too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNo chance. I have Macklin and Barker well ahead of Murray. I presume your basing a lot of this on Martinez v Chavez. Chavez is a lot bigger and stronger then Murray. If Murray takes the shots Chavez did, which he will when he plods forward, he will get KOd. Murray is very overrated in Britain and after he loses here and when Golovkin beats Mack I hope the 2 fight so Macklin can show he is far better then himQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Barker simply embarrasses Macklin. You presume a lot. You seem eager to overcompensate for you probably see as British nut hugging by dismissing fighters who clearly are not as krap as you think they are. GG is way too much for Macklin and when he loses he will struggle to get past Murray's defense. He may win, he may not but it is nothing like the mismatch that you think it is.
- Macklin
Barker
Murray in that order top being the best
1. BarkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Macklin
Murray
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think Murray will give a good account of himself but I just don't see him winning on points or by knockout. With the fight being in Argentina I just don't see how Murray can actually win, I really like Murray though and he will be a good test for Martinez. I think it will be a close win for Martinez on the cards.
Don't you wish Martinez was in his late 20's early 30's? So he could start his reign of terror in middlweight? He's damn good but he's 38...and age is a fucker of mothers.
Weights - Sergio Martinez: 159.4 – Martin Murray: 159.6
If John H Stracy can do it then Murray can do it too.