Martinez will KO Murray

[Silkeyjoe]

Anyone see this differently? Martinez is definitely taking Murray out. I lumped on him. No chance for Murray here.

[Beanz]

I can see the reverse happening.

[Silkeyjoe]

I can see the reverse happening.

No chance Im afraid. Murray is so limited. Martinez will pick him apart and stop him round 6-9

[Beanz]

There is always a chance I'm afraid.

[Silkeyjoe]

There is always a chance I'm afraid.

Fair enough - 1% chance

[Beanz]

Martinez is clearly a much better boxer than Murray. Murray is younger and hungrier though and will not underestimate the challenge he faces away from home in very hostile territory. Murray has no problem with his knees, Murray has not just undergone surgery on his shoulder.

[NuthaPug]

Martinez is clearly a much better boxer than Murray. Murray is younger and hungrier though and will not underestimate the challenge he faces away from home in very hostile territory. Murray has no problem with his knees, Murray has not just undergone surgery on his shoulder.

"hungrier" is difficult to measure. Some boxers come always ready - Mayweather, Hopkins, Martinez, others.

Seems that a practical measure of "hunger" is not some subjective feeling on the part of the fan base or the commentators, but the actual readiness for any given fight.

[Rantcatrat]

Gentlemen, where are the signs that Martinez has aged? The only signs I see are that he needed surgery on his knee and shoulder, but in the ring, he looked the best he probably has against Junior. Save the final round, he thorougly dominated Junior. Junior didn't even win one round on my scorecard until the last. Let that resonate for a moment. I think you can make a good argument that it wasn't Junior's pressure that brought about near disaster in the last round, but Martinez's error. Barker and Macklin won rounds against Sergio. So, in my opinion, there is a reasonable chance that Sergio is in now peak form.

To play devil's advocate, however, Sergio is 38 years old, and coming off of surgery on his knee, which for a fighter that relies on movement, and foot placement, could really affect his ability to fight his fight. Murray proved he is at the top level with his performance against Sturm. Granted Sturm isn't Martinez, but Murray proved his mettle then, and he did it in Germany in front of Sturm's fans. He won't be intimidated in Buenos Aires. He's also younger and will fight the fight of his life. A win here propels him to stardom and big money fights.

If the odds were such that there was value in placing a few quid on Murray, it might make s$nse to do it, but the safer bet clearly is Martinez.

Has Murray ever been dropped or stopped?

[Beanz]

Domestically Murray is probably just behind Macklin but capable of beating him and certainly behind Barker who would beat either. Neither could quite step it up enough to beat Martinez but neither fight was a mismatch. Martinez is clearly slowing and if you pressure him he can fumble. Murray can pressure him and could drop him. I just get the feeling that Sergio is looking past Murray and starting to fall to pieces.

[Silkeyjoe]

Domestically Murray is probably just behind Macklin but capable of beating him and certainly behind Barker who would beat either. Neither could quite step it up enough to beat Martinez but neither fight was a mismatch. Martinez is clearly slowing and if you pressure him he can fumble. Murray can pressure him and could drop him. I just get the feeling that Sergio is looking past Murray and starting to fall to pieces.

No chance. I have Macklin and Barker well ahead of Murray. I presume your basing a lot of this on Martinez v Chavez. Chavez is a lot bigger and stronger then Murray. If Murray takes the shots Chavez did, which he will when he plods forward, he will get KOd. Murray is very overrated in Britain and after he loses here and when Golovkin beats Mack I hope the 2 fight so Macklin can show he is far better then him

[bzkfn]

I think there is a decent chance Murray can win. Martinez is a superb boxer, but I've seen a few signs that age is catching him. I believe Sergio will win, but it isn't a given by any means.

[erics44]

saying martinez will KO murray aint reallt a very brave prediction

[Beanz]

Domestically Murray is probably just behind Macklin but capable of beating him and certainly behind Barker who would beat either. Neither could quite step it up enough to beat Martinez but neither fight was a mismatch. Martinez is clearly slowing and if you pressure him he can fumble. Murray can pressure him and could drop him. I just get the feeling that Sergio is looking past Murray and starting to fall to pieces.

No chance. I have Macklin and Barker well ahead of Murray. I presume your basing a lot of this on Martinez v Chavez. Chavez is a lot bigger and stronger then Murray. If Murray takes the shots Chavez did, which he will when he plods forward, he will get KOd. Murray is very overrated in Britain and after he loses here and when Golovkin beats Mack I hope the 2 fight so Macklin can show he is far better then him

Barker simply embarrasses Macklin. You presume a lot. You seem eager to overcompensate for you probably see as British nut hugging by dismissing fighters who clearly are not as krap as you think they are. GG is way too much for Macklin and when he loses he will struggle to get past Murray's defense. He may win, he may not but it is nothing like the mismatch that you think it is.

[Silkeyjoe]

Domestically Murray is probably just behind Macklin but capable of beating him and certainly behind Barker who would beat either. Neither could quite step it up enough to beat Martinez but neither fight was a mismatch. Martinez is clearly slowing and if you pressure him he can fumble. Murray can pressure him and could drop him. I just get the feeling that Sergio is looking past Murray and starting to fall to pieces.

No chance. I have Macklin and Barker well ahead of Murray. I presume your basing a lot of this on Martinez v Chavez. Chavez is a lot bigger and stronger then Murray. If Murray takes the shots Chavez did, which he will when he plods forward, he will get KOd. Murray is very overrated in Britain and after he loses here and when Golovkin beats Mack I hope the 2 fight so Macklin can show he is far better then him

Barker simply embarrasses Macklin. You presume a lot. You seem eager to overcompensate for you probably see as British nut hugging by dismissing fighters who clearly are not as krap as you think they are. GG is way too much for Macklin and when he loses he will struggle to get past Murray's defense. He may win, he may not but it is nothing like the mismatch that you think it is.

We will see. I've seen plent of Murray and I know what he can do. He is nothing special. I still think Macklin beats Barker too.

[Master]

1. Macklin
   Barker
   Murray in that order top being the best