Id like to see this. they will be trying to prove themselves and be really pushing Kessler. would be some nice scraps in there.
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Id like to see this. they will be trying to prove themselves and be really pushing Kessler. would be some nice scraps in there.
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I think it's weird to spar with people that Froch would walk straight through.
He should of went with people a weight above maybe.
We will see on the night.
Froch needs to win this
Beat hopkins.
Then beat ward..if thats possible.
And retire.
??? Froch wouldnt walk through these guys. Cleverly is a weight above them? This is class sparring to be getting. Poor post dude, I expect better from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
These are top quality sparring partners that must cost a lot so it shows Kessler is serious about the challenge. This will be a cracking fight.
Looking forward to this fight.
Froch will beat Kessler (again) and he would beat Hopkins, but I can't see him beating Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I wouldnt be surprised to see Froch stopped. Hes full of himself at the moment, that he is a god of war and is indestructable.
Dont forget, he got dropped hard by Taylor who is a middleweight andKessler has been looking powerfull, turning Greens lights out and stopping Magee early.
Kessler will fight a much tidier fight this time round and this will frustrate Froch. Froch is fighting at home and is finally being recognised and I think it will all go to his head on the night and come out likea steam train. He will not roll over Kessler who can match him punch for punch and hurt him as he did a couple of times last time, fighting Carls fight.
I would still like to see the ward fight again.
Froch must realise he needs to beat ward to go down as the best of his era.
If he takes the hopkins fight that could also be another ugly situation.
Quality sparring but froch would beat cleverly or groves if it ever happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe??? Froch wouldnt walk through these guys. Cleverly is a weight above them? This is class sparring to be getting. Poor post dude, I expect better from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Kessler is really going for this one as he knows it could be his last fight.
I think he beats Groves handily. Cleverly would be a very tight fight which could go either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by impQuality sparring but froch would beat cleverly or groves if it ever happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe??? Froch wouldnt walk through these guys. Cleverly is a weight above them? This is class sparring to be getting. Poor post dude, I expect better from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Kessler is really going for this one as he knows it could be his last fight.
Agreed at light heavy Cleverly would possibly win, it is his weight and he could handle Carl.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think he beats Groves handily. Cleverly would be a very tight fight which could go either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by impQuality sparring but froch would beat cleverly or groves if it ever happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe??? Froch wouldnt walk through these guys. Cleverly is a weight above them? This is class sparring to be getting. Poor post dude, I expect better from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Kessler is really going for this one as he knows it could be his last fight.
And outwork him all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed at light heavy Cleverly would possibly win, it is his weight and he could handle Carl.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think he beats Groves handily. Cleverly would be a very tight fight which could go either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by impQuality sparring but froch would beat cleverly or groves if it ever happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe??? Froch wouldnt walk through these guys. Cleverly is a weight above them? This is class sparring to be getting. Poor post dude, I expect better from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Kessler is really going for this one as he knows it could be his last fight.
Kessler beat froch last time because froch tried to step back and outbox kessler, but kessler is very effective going forwards. Kessler is not at all effective going backwards, I can't see an 'overconfident' Froch getting stopped because I can't see Kess dishing out punishment off the back foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Magee is past it and has a glass body, green is chinny as fuck. Kessler's last 5-6 don't match Froch's
p.s. get the fuck out of here with Nathan 'nonentity' Cleverly... Beat Froch? His biggest accomplishment as a pro is being a sparring partner for super middle kessler... :vd:
Both are valid arguments and why this is going to be a great fight. Much earlier I actually thought Kessler might bail at the last minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBKessler beat froch last time because froch tried to step back and outbox kessler, but kessler is very effective going forwards. Kessler is not at all effective going backwards, I can't see an 'overconfident' Froch getting stopped because I can't see Kess dishing out punishment off the back foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Magee is past it and has a glass body, green is chinny as fuck. Kessler's last 5-6 don't match Froch's
Kessler did well here boxing on the back foot and this was an undefeated Andrade. Kessler still gets hit but hes just to accurate and puts punches together too well for Froch to cope with.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBKessler beat froch last time because froch tried to step back and outbox kessler, but kessler is very effective going forwards. Kessler is not at all effective going backwards, I can't see an 'overconfident' Froch getting stopped because I can't see Kess dishing out punishment off the back foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Magee is past it and has a glass body, green is chinny as fuck. Kessler's last 5-6 don't match Froch's
Kessler v Andrade highlights - YouTube
Cant see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAnd outwork him all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed at light heavy Cleverly would possibly win, it is his weight and he could handle Carl.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think he beats Groves handily. Cleverly would be a very tight fight which could go either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by impQuality sparring but froch would beat cleverly or groves if it ever happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe??? Froch wouldnt walk through these guys. Cleverly is a weight above them? This is class sparring to be getting. Poor post dude, I expect better from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Kessler is really going for this one as he knows it could be his last fight.
Froch is a different beast to cleverly.
12 kos in 26 fights... He isn't goong to hurt Froch and he sure as shit won't outwork him... Certaintly not in terms of strength endurance.
I think Froch is being looked at with Rose tinted glasses now because of the Bute result. Also, his last fight was against a week light heavy that was drained down to supermiddle.
We are talking about Kessler, probably the strongest supermiddle out there other than Froch. Dont even mention Ward because Bika would not have had these two shamelessly holding in the last few rounds.
I think Kessler will just come in sharper. This is why he has these lads for sparring.
Being sharp only helps him if Froch fights the same fight as last time though.
Andrade and Froch are worlds apart.
I think Froch was allowed the Mack fight, he'd consistantly fought the best for years... It may have been a gimme but when you look objectively at each fighter's last 6 - it's hardly relevant.
Each fighters last 6 is also irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Before Froch had even fought Robin Reid, his first former world champion, or world title challenger, Kessler had travelled the world and fought Dingaan Thobela, Manny Siaca, Anthony Mundine, Eric Lucas, Marcus Beyer, Librado Andrade and Joe Calzaghe. All world class at some point or other and Kessler is younger than Froch.
Kessler didnt have the super 6 back then but he was willing to travel the world and fight world class fighters, unlike Froch who was fucking around in England fighting the likes of Tony Dodson and Matthew Barney;D
So basically Kessler hit his peak several years before Froch did? I don't really see that as an advantage for Kessler... ;)
A fighter who is years closer to his peak fighting consitently better opposition recently than one who seems to have peaked years earlier seems very relevant to me... ;)
If it hadnt been for the super 6, under fat Hannesey, Froch would not have that list of opponents. Kessler is class and his team trusted him against world ranked opponents whereas Carls were nervous. Kessler is still class, he beat Froch by fighting Frochs fight comfortably last time. Even Mack made Froch look static until he fell apart from being drained and just not very good anyway;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Did you actually watch the Mack fight? ???
Even if we take your assertion that Mack was severely weight drained as true, it wasn't remotely close... Froch had Mack hurting holding on from the first left hook that he landed, he didn't wear down a drained fighter in a grueling contest.
The 1st was cagey until Froch connected and the 2nd was at a low pace until the last 10 seconds when Froch unloaded... How draining could 2 1/2 rounds at a relatively low pace be?! ???
As I said, the fight was a bit of a gimme for Froch, no more than an old Brian Magee was though.
You can't use Kessler's performance against Andrade as an example of his ability and then COMPLETELY dismiss Froch's performance against Mack (a guy who is essentially on the exact same level). Got be consistent.
Kes has only fought 3 times since Froch, once against a nobody, once against an old man and most notably stopping Allan Green (which he climbed off the canvass to do).
I can only rate them off recent form and opposition, Froch's has been notably better. With that in mind, it is very plausable to say that Froxh may have progressed and Kessler may have regressed. With that in mind and given just how close the last fight was (not even factoring in the home town disadvantage and the disruption to Froch's travel and preperation) and the fact that Froch's tactics suited Kessler's style and can be changed - is it crazy to suggest that the odds might be slightly tipped in Froch's favour this time?
This may upset a few of you, but Cleverly sparred hundreds of rounds, with the Best FIGHTER we
ever had Calzaghe, far better than Froch and Joe well beat Kessler did he not.!
:)
What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
My point being Cleverly is a good fighter, not some bum Froch is what he is he stands toe to toe,Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhat's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
as skill goes he can be out boxed. What a load of crap he could out box Cleverly, as for KO him
he has NEVER been dropped. I will have to repeat myself, 100's of rounds sparred with the best
SM of ALL TIME, JC always rated Nathan as a amateur and pro, you like who you like but please
some people cut out the bullshit.
Cleverly will be stronger than Froch, thats just physics. Froch walks round just 2 or 3 pounds over the super middle limit. Cleverly may not be the biggest puncher in the world but he is certainly one of the fittest light heavies out there. Hopkins doesnt want any part of him because he knows it would be Calzaghe over again and hed have to resort to crawling round on the floor boo hooing again;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
He does want Froch though and what an exciting spectacle that would be;)
Just when people were starting to warm to Froch including myself, he starts with his pretentious bile like before he fought any names and had delusions of grandeur...
Here he is moaning about Cleverly and Groves sparring with Kessler and apparemtly Groves gets knocked out in sparring all the time;D
"It just sums up what they are," he says. "I'm a British fighter but they'd rather go out there and help a foreign fighter prepare for the biggest fight of my career. It just shows the state of British boxing in terms of people working with each other.
"Groves isn't my friend and neither is Cleverly, so they can do what they want, but really, as British fighters, shouldn't they have a bit more class about them?
"They both want to fight me but are bitter and jealous because it's not happening as I'm a league above the pair of them. It's not going to help Kessler in preparation for me as neither of them can mimic my style or have my resolve.
"I certainly wouldn't help a foreign fighter prepare for a British fighter and I've not spoken to anybody who would. Adam Booth [Groves's trainer] is supposed to be a friend but he obviously has done what he thought was right for George Groves with no consideration for Carl Froch. "But Groves has got a chip on his shoulder anyway. He won't spar with me because he considers himself a potential opponent, though he is the only one that does. Nobody is going to take him seriously until he has had a couple of fights with decent people and stops getting knocked out in sparring, which seems to be happening quite regularly."
Boxing: Carl Froch slams fellow Brits for sparring with Mikkel Kessler - Others - More Sports - The Independent
Wow Carl is behaving like a dick, Groves and Cleverley want to work with a quality fighter, get paid and gain some experience. I am sure he would have done the same in their position.
Its always been bubbling under the surface with Carl. This is why hes never had the following that Hatton had. His work ethic deserves it but his attitude and personality just turns people off him big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It used to sound a hundred times worse when hed never even fought a ranked fighter.
Eddie Hearn must look at stuff like this and just put his head in his hands. All that good work hes done with Froch and something like this can just turn fans away from buying tickets. Someone whos struggling with money who was umming and ahhing about buying the fight or even going to it, Carl may just make their minds up for them with comments like this.
What are you talking about ? He has a point, I used to be a Groves fan but he is way too full of himself recently and I wouldn't trust Adam Booth as far as I could throw him. The guy comes across like a confidence trickster. He talks about all the improvements he sees in his fighters and then they come out and fight with the same glaring flaws as before. Booth tried to talk up Andy Lee's last fight and though understandable to a degree it was pretty shambolic. If Groves really saw himself as a Froch opponent the best thing he could do is take advantage of the opportunity to spar with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIts always been bubbling under the surface with Carl. This is why hes never had the following that Hatton had. His work ethic deserves it but his attitude and personality just turns people off him big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It used to sound a hundred times worse when hed never even fought a ranked fighter.
Eddie Hearn must look at stuff like this and just put his head in his hands. All that good work hes done with Froch and something like this can just turn fans away from buying tickets. Someone whos struggling with money who was umming and ahhing about buying the fight or even going to it, Carl may just make their minds up for them with comments like this.
"all the good work Hearn has done with Froch" seriously the guy has just creamed the profits of someone else's work. Froch has earned his own reputation and most fans can respect that. You seem to be the one with something bubbling under the surface.
Froch knocked Groves out in sparring a couple of years ago. DeGale taunted him about it in the build-up to their fight.
Froch sounding like a dick will not harm sales in anyway whatsoever. Expect more of this shit over the next week as they try and sell the PPV.
Hearn has done a great job for Froch.
This has nothing to do with Groves.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWhat are you talking about ? He has a point, I used to be a Groves fan but he is way too full of himself recently and I wouldn't trust Adam Booth as far as I could throw him. The guy comes across like a confidence trickster. He talks about all the improvements he sees in his fighters and then they come out and fight with the same glaring flaws as before. Booth tried to talk up Andy Lee's last fight and though understandable to a degree it was pretty shambolic. If Groves really saw himself as a Froch opponent the best thing he could do is take advantage of the opportunity to spar with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIts always been bubbling under the surface with Carl. This is why hes never had the following that Hatton had. His work ethic deserves it but his attitude and personality just turns people off him big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It used to sound a hundred times worse when hed never even fought a ranked fighter.
Eddie Hearn must look at stuff like this and just put his head in his hands. All that good work hes done with Froch and something like this can just turn fans away from buying tickets. Someone whos struggling with money who was umming and ahhing about buying the fight or even going to it, Carl may just make their minds up for them with comments like this.
"all the good work Hearn has done with Froch" seriously the guy has just creamed the profits of someone else's work. Froch has earned his own reputation and most fans can respect that. You seem to be the one with something bubbling under the surface.
Its Froch thats crying about him. Groves has said nothing.
What is Groves supposed t do, phone and check with Carl each time someone wants to spar with him? Get fucking real! Its got fuck all to do with Carl! If Carl was that bothered he could have said to Groves "Sont go and spar with Kessler, spar with me and ill pay you more" but he hasnt, so he cant bitch about it.
For Froch to start spitting bile about Groves and how hes getting beaten up in sparring but what has Groves done or said to Carl? Nothing, all hes done is taken up an opportunity to further his career and Froch doesnt like it. Maybe he never got those same opportunities and hes just jealous?
Yes I am sure that Carl Froch is jealous of George Groves :-\;D When you call yourself St George and try to promote yourself as an English Icon then sparring with the enemy is traitorous and should be rewarded with a spell in the tower of London. If boxing was just about the man then I would be cheering for Kessler but it isn't so I will be cheering for Froch. C'mon England. :-X
That's exactly what is worrying me. I hope he realises he's going into a war and he's not indestructible. If he goes into it like he did against Ward, too confident, he will get humbled.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Froch is a warrior though, so I'm sure when it gets going he'll kick into gear.
Carl Froch, is at it again, Groves and Cleverley can spar with who THEY like, stick to yourQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
own career Carl, they don't tell you who you can spar with.!
What a stupid comment to make.!
I don't know if he's serious or not but it seems to me just to be pre-fight hype to get people excited about it, as if we aren't already.
Groves defending himself for sparring with Kessler. Says hes willng to step in, if either drops out.
Also says “I’ve sparred with both,” said the London fighter yesterday. “I sparred with Carl before his first fight with Kessler in 2010. I suppose I’ve had a better look at both of them than most have, and for me there’s a clear winner, but I’m afraid I can’t really share that. It wouldn’t be fair on the lads in the gym.”
“They are both really experienced now. It was a toe-to-toe fight the first time, but I think it’ll be a much more technical fight this time.”
I think hes on about Kessler winning and that he wants a fight with Froch soon because he believes he will beat him. It also makes me wonder whether he has openly said he will step in at short notice because he knows Kessler is injured...:-\
George Groves defends sparring sessions with Mikkel Kessler after Carl Froch rebuke - Telegraph