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DiBella thinks that he has not fought anyone of real note yet. Will a conclusive demolition of Macklin prove anything or does the manner of GGG's previous KO wins already single him out as special ?
Lou DiBella: Golovkin Has Never Fought Anybody Good - Boxing News
So many people have power and fall flat on their faces.
He does have some skill to back up his power, he can be a top fighter for a while.
But I wouldn't say he's special.
Golovkin is clearly class. The problem is there's no star middleweight barring Martinez and Chavez jr. So blasting out Macklin will be very impressive to the non-braindead hardcore fan. However, unless Golovkin can get a "star" name he will never crossover to the general fan.
Mackilin is a good proven fighter. If he does well Golovkin will get called overrated. If he gets slaughtered Macklin will get called toilet.
I see it as a no-win fight for Golovkin (even though it's a genuine good one for the division).
Golovkin was a outstanding amateur, big puncher then and now go onto Youtube, and see what
he done to Bute, in the amateurs and others.!
GGG has the pedigree, he would put Sergio's lights out pretty easy I would say, Macklin is brave
but I can only see him getting KO, I like Macklin but he is out of his depth.!
If he beats Macklin then he could go after Quillin for Stateside exposure. Or he could move up, come to the UK and just smack up DeGale which would, after Duran, make him only the second man in history to knock out a horse.*
*(Geordies offering them out doesn't count, @Kirkland Laing)
If he has a good showing against Macklin, he should attempt to line up a fight with Junior for the end of the year. If that isn't available, Geale is his best chance at unification. I just doubt Geale takes him up on that challenge. Since Pirog has effectively retired, a fight with Pirog won't happen, but it could have been a good one. I'm pretty sure I read Hearn doesn't want Barker against Golovkin.
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I like what I see! Someone has schooled him on the basics and he does have a solid amatuer background to impliment into his arsonal and it does serve him well with guys who won't stay close!
He has a good jab and is looking for openings to land power shots as he should! He is NOT a crude fighter at all but he has a ruffness about him thats fine by me.
He is no different than any fighter ever who climbs up to the top tens, can he take adversity and weather a storm??? Until that happens thats the biggest question every boxer has to have answered.
He's not neglectfull to the body and keeps realitively calm in his fights! He has a good body with very good reach and he seems to be a well conditioned fighter! I like the kid its to bad no one is willing to match him but that tells everyone that management, promotors AND other fighters aren't willing to try him. Thats pretty impressive right there! I know for a fact that contracts were offered to the main Middleweights and theres room to negotiaste to try to pull one of them in!!!
I think Sergio vs GGG is the best middleweight bout that most fans would agree on as far as known fighters!
Personally I'd like a 10 round non-title bout at 160+3lbs against Ward! Then we'll see what I think might be a good one. Ray
Everybody seems to be avoiding him. He has sparred with some top names. First time i watched him fight live was against Rosado (media convinced me this was a Rosado win) well..
After youtubing some of his fights i can't see him being beaten ,, seems to have everything ..Timing Power, Chin, Heart (not the fastest but speed doesn't mean everything when you have timing and chin imo)
The Macklin fight and how he deals with it is a test. I think I will personally judge him after this fight.
As well as in the ring, outside the ring he seems to have a great attitude and personality.
Looking forwards to the fight
He looked like he settled down and brought his jab in last outting. I'm warming to the dude and think he can put together a nice package of power boxing. His head movement needs to shape up and he still takes too many left hooks though. He'll have a good chance to highlight some boxing and accurate power with Macklin and shouldn't get sucked into a happy hooker power fest. I'd very much like a go with Quillin and think its merinated nicely as a quality match with both hitting peaks.
I saw his last fight and liked it, so I've spent some time watching 5 or 6 of his fights, to educate myself. how good he is, it is hard to tell because the guys he fights are so, so, so bad. Plus, a lot of them a lefties and that is always a weirdness factor. most guys that fight southpaw do it because they are too lazy to learn how to fight- we'll debate that at another time- so it always skews things when you watch.
GGG has some funky habits. He raises his elbows when he jabs and throws his right hand- no straight punches, that I've seen, everything arcs. When he throws his right hand, he often brings his right foot forward; I thought he did it only with southpaws but he does it pretty regularly. This gets you timed and knocked out- watch botha vs Tyson and moorer to see how you counter this with your own right hand. he stays in range to much, catching punches, though in some fights he got out of reach pretty quickly.(this is how you control distance-and how you avoid telegraphing your moves).
The idea of him fighting with a Hopkins, Toney, Nunn, Hagler, etc..at 160 is pretty far fetched, laughable. If he had been fighting the guys that hagler fought, the monroes and Watts, etc... he'd be 16-4, but he'd be a much better fighter than he is now. I think he can learn buty i don't think the guys he is fighting can teach anybody anything
No.
The only Real Deal is Evander Holyfield. :cool:
Yes he is the real deal, just needs to prove it against better opposition. Macklin is a start and Kid Chocolate/Geale would be next.
GGG they say sparked Quillin, in sparring just hear say or fact.!Quote:
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That means Quillen will avoid him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoGGG they say sparked Quillin, in sparring just hear say or fact.!Quote:
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Macklin is a good test. Macklin is a true top-ten middleweight.
Consider how good Rosado looked against J'Leon Love, and how bad he looked against Golovkin, and Love was supposed to be a good prospect.
I bet Kid Chocolate picks Rosado for his next fight.
You forgot Mongo.Quote:
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I want to see Golovkin-Quillin. Whoever wins that, probably Golovkin, is the top guy at 160. I think either of them would stop Martinez now. Interested to see how Golovkin does with Macklin though. I think he beats him, just not sure how easily.
Ah! I forgot about him ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingYou forgot Mongo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I want to see Golovkin-Quillin. Whoever wins that, probably Golovkin, is the top guy at 160. I think either of them would stop Martinez now. Interested to see how Golovkin does with Macklin though. I think he beats him, just not sure how easily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDfnQD0ws
Kid Chocolate. I don't really understand the hype around him yet. I liked his win against N'Jikam, but even in that fight, he was outboxed for a large part of the fight, N'Jikam's chin just couldn't hold up. Every round that N'Jikam didn't hit the mat, he won. It's still a solid win, but at the same time, I don't really think he has shown that he would mop the floor with Sergio Martinez. I understand the hype around Golovkin because he is utterly destroying guys on his way up, although even with him, he didn't look absolutely destructive against an old Ouma.
Just because they have yet to meet I don't think hes necassarily avoiding him or that hes going out of his way to. Both have put themselves in a much brighter spotlight with maketability and likewise improvements in eachs game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat means Quillen will avoid him.Quote:
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I dunno bud, if anyone is having a heavy dose of hype its Golovkin. Both warrant attention. I saw the N'Jikam win as impressive, six KD's are six KDs. Just as his destruction of Guerrero was last out. The same Guerrero who beat Rosado years ago. Golovkin was an established champion vs Rosado who was coming up in weight..and Rosado has been rocked and rolled before and after Golovkin who couldn't put him down. A 40 yr old Whitaker had him on queer street just prior. Love was very green in comparison and fights nothing like Golovkin. Rightfully so Rosado was his first major test and Rosado did as he should have done as a far more experienced guy. I don't see Quillin mopping the floor with Martinez, just as I'm not ready to say Golovkin beating up two jr middleweights brought in for showcases leads to him steamrolling even an old Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I don't think we're too far apart. Remember though that Guerrero was coming up in weight as well. Also, Guerrero was knocked out by Grady Brewer in four rounds, one weight class below. In my opinion, Guerrero also lost against Ishe Smith, although that was a close fight. I'm pretty sure N'Jikam is the only true, solid middleweight that Quillin has beat, and just for the record, N'Jikam avoided Golovkin like the plague when he had the belt that Quillin now has. Also, Kid Chocolate two most recent wins have come against guys with suspect chins. He's matched relatively carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI dunno bud, if anyone is having a heavy dose of hype its Golovkin. Both warrant attention. I saw the N'Jikam win as impressive, six KD's are six KDs. Just as his destruction of Guerrero was last out. The same Guerrero who beat Rosado years ago. Golovkin was an established champion vs Rosado who was coming up in weight..and Rosado has been rocked and rolled before and after Golovkin who couldn't put him down. A 40 yr old Whitaker had him on queer street just prior. Love was very green in comparison and fights nothing like Golovkin. Rightfully so Rosado was his first major test and Rosado did as he should have done as a far more experienced guy. I don't see Quillin mopping the floor with Martinez, just as I'm not ready to say Golovkin beating up two jr middleweights brought in for showcases leads to him steamrolling even an old Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Golovkin has torn through guys. Not only knocking them down, but providing highlight reel knockouts. That tends to attract people, but as you said, it can also have people overrate him. The other thing is a lot of people won't face Golovkin. Sturm, Quillin, N'Jikam etc. In fact, Macklin is the first true middleweight to actually sign up to get in the ring with him. No one is running from Quillin in the same manner. I'll also add that Golovkin beat Proksa down. Now, I'm not saying Proksa is the second coming by any means, but he's not horrible. I probably rate N'Jikam and Proksa in the same tier. N'Jikam a smidge higher.
I agree with you though. Macklin is Golovkin's first real test at middleweight. If he steamrolls Macklin, the hype becomes more deserved.
How much do you want to bet that Quillin faces Rosado in Brooklyn in his next fight?
Martinez seems to go down every fight now. I don't think Golovkin or Quillin can outbox him but I think both of them would eventually catch up to his chin and KO or TKO him. Like somebody said on the board a while back Martinez is a knockout waiting to happen.
I really doubt Kid Chocolate would be the guy to do it. Golovkin might take Martinez might be able to cut the ring off and walk through Martinez's punches, but I'm not convinced yet that Quillin has that kind of boxing ability. I don't know how he would catch him.Quote:
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I really doubt Kid Chocolate would be the guy to do it. Golovkin might take Martinez might be able to cut the ring off and walk through Martinez's punches, but I'm not convinced yet that Quillin has that kind of boxing ability. I don't know how he would catch him.
Martin Murray managed it twice.
I actually think Barker and Murray beat Quillin but Golovkin wins by spectacular KO. I just can not see anything in Kid Chocolate that gives him the right to use the name.
Gangster call from the beanz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I can't say right now. He has to fight somebody of his own level first.
I put more stock into Peter QUillin..
At the end of the day we're fans who want solid fights with improving fighters. I see this in both Quillin and Golovkin and look for them to face off. As far as I know Guerrero had fought his career at Middleweight though, it was the Grady fight he went down for. I just cannot justify saying Quillin has been matched 'carefully' and not say the same about Golovkin. Rosado had been hurt and dropped numerous times and Ishida was taylor made and sent in for Golovkin to look the destroyer. Tall gutsy kid with little pop whos idea of defense when hit hard is hitting his gloves together and waving a guy in. If N'Jikam is as you say a little higher than Proska and both we're dropped brutally numerous times and defeated I'd tend to say thats pretty even up as far as comp? I think we are indeed not far apart at all...we want quality scraps and see ability in both. I don't throw the overrated tag on Golovkin because of inability or weakness. Hes on a massive push but the overrated part comes in for me when I hear him being compared to Mike Tyson and Papa Chavez within 5 minutes on a premier network. Not to mention a guy of Martinez calibur basically being called a speedbump for him. Prospects just need perspective. Yeh man, can't wait for the Macklin fight. I think we'll see the best Golovkin yet off a short hurtful jab and body work. Going to be a solid mix up!Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI don't think we're too far apart. Remember though that Guerrero was coming up in weight as well. Also, Guerrero was knocked out by Grady Brewer in four rounds, one weight class below. In my opinion, Guerrero also lost against Ishe Smith, although that was a close fight. I'm pretty sure N'Jikam is the only true, solid middleweight that Quillin has beat, and just for the record, N'Jikam avoided Golovkin like the plague when he had the belt that Quillin now has. Also, Kid Chocolate two most recent wins have come against guys with suspect chins. He's matched relatively carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI dunno bud, if anyone is having a heavy dose of hype its Golovkin. Both warrant attention. I saw the N'Jikam win as impressive, six KD's are six KDs. Just as his destruction of Guerrero was last out. The same Guerrero who beat Rosado years ago. Golovkin was an established champion vs Rosado who was coming up in weight..and Rosado has been rocked and rolled before and after Golovkin who couldn't put him down. A 40 yr old Whitaker had him on queer street just prior. Love was very green in comparison and fights nothing like Golovkin. Rightfully so Rosado was his first major test and Rosado did as he should have done as a far more experienced guy. I don't see Quillin mopping the floor with Martinez, just as I'm not ready to say Golovkin beating up two jr middleweights brought in for showcases leads to him steamrolling even an old Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Golovkin has torn through guys. Not only knocking them down, but providing highlight reel knockouts. That tends to attract people, but as you said, it can also have people overrate him. The other thing is a lot of people won't face Golovkin. Sturm, Quillin, N'Jikam etc. In fact, Macklin is the first true middleweight to actually sign up to get in the ring with him. No one is running from Quillin in the same manner. I'll also add that Golovkin beat Proksa down. Now, I'm not saying Proksa is the second coming by any means, but he's not horrible. I probably rate N'Jikam and Proksa in the same tier. N'Jikam a smidge higher.
I agree with you though. Macklin is Golovkin's first real test at middleweight. If he steamrolls Macklin, the hype becomes more deserved.
How much do you want to bet that Quillin faces Rosado in Brooklyn in his next fight?
He is the rebirth of Kostya Tyzsu!
;D
Yes he is that good, a lot of good fighters from Kazakhstan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Ola afolabi said he sparred with golovokin and he hurt ola with 16 oz gloves on with lots of shots. He also thinks he will knock out macklin within 6 Rounds and he thinks he's the real deal.
Yea he looks the real deal alright. Macklin is a good test. If he blasts him out early he could do it to anyone in the divisoin
Macklin will be finished soon if he takes peak Martinez and now Golovkin.
Yep
'He is the real deal' said Macklin after the fight :fight:
I am going to tell you lot, I told you SO remember ever one he hits he hurts, Macklin was being
hit clean from the off, GGG did make it look easy as I said he would.
Forget about Martinez, I can't see his management wanting anything to do with GGG, if it does happen
it will be a easy fight for Golovkin, again 3 rounds. ;)
It is a strange situation where one of the best p4p fighters in Sergio is now avoiding GGG because he is clearly showing signs of age. Sad to see that we will not see them fight in their primes.
Golovkin says he wants Mayweather .....please let that happen!
We have been saying he is the real deal for quite some time now....
Golovkin has a few fights he can certainly take that would earn him good money:
Abraham; Froch; Bute; Ward; Dirrell; Martinez; Chavez; Quillin; and Bika. Just to name a few...
I hope he isn't a ducker and decides that 5 out of those nine names he decides not to take....
;D
He might be. I'm not sure how smashing Macklin confirms it mind you.
Before fight
Eveyone : "Golovkin will smash Macklin"
After fight
Everyone "Whoa Golovkin just smashed Macklin!!!"
Other than a fight with Mayweather I don't see anything South of 168 to test him.