If a fighter wins the round and gets a knockdown, but has a point removed for a headbutt what is the score?
If a fighter loses the majority of the round but gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, what is the score?
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If a fighter wins the round and gets a knockdown, but has a point removed for a headbutt what is the score?
If a fighter loses the majority of the round but gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, what is the score?
Good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
The first scenario, I think even judges don't know! But in the past I've seen it become a 10-9 to the fighter that scored the knockdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
The second scenario the guy scoring the knockdown takes it 10-8. I know it seems wrong, but that is what usually happens. Although the judges don't have to.
But really, he was losing the round until the knockdown, knockdowns kind of usurp anything before it, so he then is winning the round at that point, plus the extra point for the knockdown. It seems a bit backward but the way I think of it is that rounds are sorted by who scored the most knockdowns, if, as is usually the case, there are none in a round, then you sort by the other criteria.
It's not really complicated. Point deductions are taken from the overall scorecard, it's irrelevant what round it happened in.
But quite simply -
1. Would be 10-9
2. Is either 10-8 or 10-9 depending on the judges discretion
:o I never knew that :cool: You're the MAN Fenwick!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Tell the truth - you've missed me calling you that, haven't you ;D
err... I guess so (;D).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus:o I never knew that :cool: You're the MAN Fenwick!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Tell the truth - you've missed me calling you that, haven't you ;D
You meant fighter a winning 2:45 of a round then fighter b scoring a KD in second scenario? I think this is why a 10 point must system is flawed and encourages math tricks. If a guy goes down regardless of what came prior, he should lose a point, no maneuvering numbers etc. In Holyfield v Moorer for example it was scored a 10-10. It's just as simple as losing a point. A ruled power KD should be more costly than being out jabbed. If you lose a point on a foul you LOSE it, etc etc.
First question is a 2 point knockdown score but 1 point penality for a foul! One point advantage!
The second question is a difficult one without viewing the senerio! Your granted the 2 point advantage from a knockdown but if your lossing the round big it could be a 1 point up or even round!
If even you need to look hard for an advantage from one or the other. Even rounds should be a rareity and theres usually a winner if you look hard enough!
Also consider the effect of the knockdown was it a flash or a meanigfull drop? Ray.
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Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
Sorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanSorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
No need to apologize. Number 2, I am kinda iffy about and there is a small chance I might be wrong. But number 1 is definitely right.
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Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanSorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
No need to apologize. Number 2, I am kinda iffy about and there is a small chance I might be wrong. But number 1 is definitely right.
So yeah #2 im pretty sure im wrong actually.
I think the fighter who was losing would win the round 10-9 because he got the knockdown.
Definitely not right. 10-point-must means you the winner of the round must have 10 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanSorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
No need to apologize. Number 2, I am kinda iffy about and there is a small chance I might be wrong. But number 1 is definitely right.
Forget looking at Wikipedia bro, just read what Fenster said.
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusDefinitely not right. 10-point-must means you the winner of the round must have 10 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanSorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
No need to apologize. Number 2, I am kinda iffy about and there is a small chance I might be wrong. But number 1 is definitely right.
That's not including penalties.
Which get deducted at the end of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusDefinitely not right. 10-point-must means you the winner of the round must have 10 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanSorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
No need to apologize. Number 2, I am kinda iffy about and there is a small chance I might be wrong. But number 1 is definitely right.
That's not including penalties.
(Credit to Fenster)
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusWhich get deducted at the end of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusDefinitely not right. 10-point-must means you the winner of the round must have 10 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanSorry, but neither of those are right. It's a 10 point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by boxing scores
1) If the fighter wins the round hes up 10-9. If he knocks the dude down as well that fighter loses another point so it would be 10-8. So if the fighter who wins the round 10-8 gets penalized 1 point for head butting then that puts it at a 9-8 round.
2) If a fighter is obviously loosing a round then gets a knockdown at the very end of the round, then the fighter he knocks down gets deducted 1 point for the knock down. So 9-9 round.
No need to apologize. Number 2, I am kinda iffy about and there is a small chance I might be wrong. But number 1 is definitely right.
That's not including penalties.
(Credit to Fenster)
There is no difference. That still makes that a 9-8 round lol. And that's the way its scored as well. Don't you guys watch Friday Night Fights lol?
Sorry @Jimanuel Boogustus, I put you away a bit there, I was simply showing it's a one point difference regardless, but @cambay411 is right that 9-8 is more accurate. The master scorekeeper would deduct a point from the 10-8, so even though it's irrelevant, 9-8 is basically what the round is.
Yeah, just like I said ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
But Cambay is definitely wrong about the second one, right?
No way is that a 9-9 round.
Yeah that's wrong. It's as you originally said - it's quite simply 10-8/10-9Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
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Originally Posted by FensterYeah that's wrong. It's as you originally said - it's quite simply 10-8/10-9Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
It could be 10-10 but i am pretty sure I was wrong about 9-9.
The first scenario would be a 9-8 round. You would score the round first- in this case, 10-8 because of the knockdown- then deduct a point from the score of the guy that was penalized.
The second case is more iffy, really up to the discretion of the judges. There was some controversy over a round like this in the first Holyfield v Moorer fight, the 2nd round I believe. I've seen it go 10-10, or 10-9 for the guy scoring the knockdown, but never 9-9.
If it was 10-9 round in favor of fighter A before the knockdown, then after the knock down it would be 10-9 in favor of fighter B who knocked the other fighter down. One point deduction from fighter A who was winning the round before the knockdown and add one point to fighter B, who knocked the fighter down.
If it would have been a 10-8 round in favor of fighter A before the knockdown then just add 2 points to fighter B to make it 10-10?
That is pretty much the Moorer v Holyfield situation. Holyfield lost-losing the majority of the round with exception of kd at end of round, so he's at 9 ?!...Moorer goes down but flash so he's at 9 not 8. But being a good ol' 10 point must they make it even at 10. I think it should have been 10-9, not 10-8 Holyfield...Moorer already 'kept' a point as it was quick and he did well early, plus he basically gained another. 10-10 I never understood at all. I'm now dizzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411
Another was the first round of the Mathew Hilton v Fermin Chirino fight. Hilton dominated the first round but got nailed and dropped right at the bell. The fight ended up a draw and there was debate regarding the scoring of that round.
Wow. I really appreciate everyone's responses and help in this. I don't feel so stupid now for getting confused. I actually just coincidentally happen to be watching the Mayweather vs Castillo 1 fight and I noticed in round 8, Harold Lederman scored the round 9 - 9. Just to clear things up, and I hope I don't get more confused, was he wrong for scoring it 9 - 9 if its a 10 point must system?
I can't post links yet but the video is on YouTube entitled, "Floyd Mayweather vs. Jose Luis Castillo 1" and the YouTube username I'm watching is "Jerome Naldoza."
and its at 40:49 where it shows Harold Lederman's scorecard.
Castillo was deducted a point for hitting on the break and I guess supposedly winning the round in Lederman's view.
Edit: Actually I reread the posts again and I guess everyone agrees that the only time you score less than a 10 for both fighters is when there is a point deduction.