H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him

Jack dempsey might qualify to carry his spit bucket but probably not.

Jack johnson's skills are too primitive to compete with this man.

Joer louis is too small for lewis and would get knocked out in 5 rounds or less depending on how lewis gfeels.

Marciano would just get toyed with like david tua but only worse

Prime larry holmes just maybe. Just maybe

The klit brothers have the best shot but the lion lewis already fucked up a prime vitali so.



Is there anybody who can Take down the lion lewis?

I believe Bernstein said something like this last month and the response was pretty much what the hell but Head to head he's a problem for any heavyweight.

If I remember correctly...Lewis was getting his ass kicked by Vitali but Vitalis cutman couldn't get the bleeding stopped. I remember the entire crowd booing that night at Lewis's post fight interview because they all knew he was getting his ass kicked. Even the old man doing the post fight interview (Merchant) was asking him questions like..."Do you think you should have won this fight". Vitali wanted a rematch bad and was relentless in his pursuit of that rematch. Lewis knew he'd get his ass handed to him so he retired.

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Originally Posted by 15rounder

If I remember correctly...Lewis was getting his ass kicked by Vitali but Vitalis cutman couldn't get the bleeding stopped. I remember the entire crowd booing that night at Lewis's post fight interview because they all knew he was getting his ass kicked. Even the old man doing the post fight interview (Merchant) was asking him questions like..."Do you think you should have won this fight". Vitali wanted a rematch bad and was relentless in his pursuit of that rematch. Lewis knew he'd get his ass handed to him so he retired.

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TKO6 deal with it

Anyway this is like saying Roy Jones Jr lost to Green he was never good.

I'm not disputing that...but did you see the fight? Don't you think Vitali deserved a rematch rather than Lewis bitching up?

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I'm not disputing that...but did you see the fight? Don't you think Vitali deserved a rematch rather than Lewis bitching up?

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That's what you call bitching up? Lewis was one of the few fighters who was wise enough to retire on top, with dignity intact.. He decided to ride into the sunset after one last, tough victory so how is that bitching up exactly?

It's called wisdom..

And you said Lewis got his ass kicked? lol what an overstatement, man.. Vitali got in some good shots early in the round but nowhere near to a point where Lewis was in deep trouble..

Once Lewis weathered the storm, it was all downhill for Vitali. Not only was he fatigued towards the end, but he was genuinely hurt as he held on for dear life.. DO u honestly feel that he would have survived the next round??

The momentum was on Lewis' side and it was one of those fights where the outcome was very clear..

No, Vitali didnt deserve a rematch because Lewis rearranged his face.. That victory wasn't convincing enough for you? lol Vitali has never taken a beating so severe and he nearly lost his eye in that fight so what rematch?

Pretty much I wanted Lewis to fight Wlad to humiliate them both but now Lewis is 47 and he looks great probably because he didn't hold on.

Somebody like Vitali who is so robotic with no fluidity, horrible balance, and who always telegraphs his punches is just tailor made for Lewis.

What amazes me about the fight was Lewis wasnt even in tip top shape for that bout nor did he have time to prepare for Vitali's style..

He was training for Kirk Johnson at the time but had to change to Vitali pretty much at the last minute..

That just speaks volumes about the man.. Lennox is truly a legend.

Lewis really has grown on me I was raised a Tyson fan but I've grown to appreciate what Lewis was.

Not a fan of Lewis or Klit, however it looked as if Vitali could have KO'd Lewis.

Jack dempsey didn't want anything to do with the black heavies of his own time, I doubt he'd fancy going up against a modern black monster like Lennox

I wish someone would ask Lewis "how is it that you had a crying, no punch throwing, going through crack withdraws Oliver McCall (a man who knocked you out) right in front of you and still couldn't knock him out

I've felt this way about Lewis for a while now too. George Foreman has said Lewis is the greatest heavyweight ever.

I don't think his legacy is greater than Ali's or Louis's necessarily, but Lewis against any heavyweight in history, he should be favored to beat them.

His height, boxing ability, athleticism and power make him extremely difficult to beat. He was a thinker too and knew how to wear his opponent out by throwing his weight around.

There's a case to be made Lewis was a bigger puncher than Tyson when you compare common opponents: Botha, Golota, Ruddock.

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I wish someone would ask Lewis "how is it that you had a crying, no punch throwing, going through crack withdraws Oliver McCall (a man who knocked you out) right in front of you and still couldn't knock him out

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I wish you would ask him.

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I wish someone would ask Lewis "how is it that you had a crying, no punch throwing, going through crack withdraws Oliver McCall (a man who knocked you out) right in front of you and still couldn't knock him out

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Because the guy had an insane chin (never KO'd in 70+ fights) and having somebody meltdown infront of you is strange? ???

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If I remember correctly...Lewis was getting his ass kicked by Vitali but Vitalis cutman couldn't get the bleeding stopped. I remember the entire crowd booing that night at Lewis's post fight interview because they all knew he was getting his ass kicked. Even the old man doing the post fight interview (Merchant) was asking him questions like..."Do you think you should have won this fight". Vitali wanted a rematch bad and was relentless in his pursuit of that rematch. Lewis knew he'd get his ass handed to him so he retired.

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Getting his ass kicked is a massive overstatement. Lewis had a horrible first few rounds, looking like he was fighting through treacle, but he had started to turn the tide. They both hit each other with huge shots and didn't budge. Vitali was ahead at the time of the stoppage for sure but Lewis was on an upward curve for sure. How the fight would have ended is not clear at all.
Lewis only ever gets shit for not rematching him, but never any credit for actually fighting the most dangerous opponent out there, at that stage of his career, and as a late change of opponent!

Lennox lewis is so good he could get back into training now and cause drama in the heavyweight divison.

Lewis is in my top 5 heavyweights of all time and avenged both his losses.

They were not lucky punches but lewis chin was unlucky to be in the way of it at the time.

Any era, lewis is a serious problem.

The worst lennox lewis beat a prime vitali and vitali is the best of the bunch today even at 40+ years old.

Wlad and vitali are brothers who come in superb physical condition and have held the torch since lennox
Retired.

Lennox is truly an ATG.

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

How early the fruit is falling this season...Lewis was a big lumbering oaf, the picture on my wall moves faster than he does!

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I wish someone would ask Lewis "how is it that you had a crying, no punch throwing, going through crack withdraws Oliver McCall (a man who knocked you out) right in front of you and still couldn't knock him out

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No body can knock out Oliver, ever.

Tyson, Holmes and Ali beat him.

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I wish someone would ask Lewis "how is it that you had a crying, no punch throwing, going through crack withdraws Oliver McCall (a man who knocked you out) right in front of you and still couldn't knock him out

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No body can knock out Oliver, ever.

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If Manny Steward, Courtney Shand and Harold Knight all dived in the ring to smash McCall up with baseball bats he'd still be standing.

And it wasn't like Oliver wasn't defending himself. When Lewis came forward or threw a punch, he'd put his arms up. He just wasn't throwing anything.

And yeah Oliver had as good a chin as you could have.

Nobody in the history of boxing can knock McCall out.

Superman, Thor, Hulk, Bruce Lee, Silverfox - It doesn't matter how many whacks to the head he gets he'll still be staring back at you. Fact.

Tyson sparred with mccall in the 80s.
I think theres footage on youtube.
Oliver was a tough nut to crack.

its boxing anyone can beat anyone on any given night, but he'd be a tough fight for any of the past greats . He beat vitali fair and square and it was a great fight and while vitali may have not wanted the fight stopped, its a good thing they did he might be blind in one eye if they had not stopped it. However to say vitali was fadin and lenox was comming on isn't necessarily true as I remember vitali taking the 5th and 6th rounds but perhaps my memory is betraying me. all I know for sure is I would have loved to have seen a rematch it was a great fight and it was the last time nonboxing fans gave a shit about the heavies

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Tyson, Holmes and Ali beat him.

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And at their peak they would all beat him convincingly too. I'm pretty sure Bowe and even peak Holyfield would have beaten him as well.

Greatest of all time my arse. Luckiest of all time, yes.

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

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No one has ever done that to vitali past or present..but a way past it lennox did.

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Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

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How would you know if we have a strait face or not ????

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Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

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Nobody in the history of boxing can knock McCall out.

Superman, Thor, Hulk, Bruce Lee, Silverfox - It doesn't matter how many whacks to the head he gets he'll still be staring back at you. Fact.

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I like how this has turned into a thread about how great of a chin Oliver McCall has. ;D

Long live McCall!!!

He's an OG bad ass ox of a motherfucker.

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Nobody in the history of boxing can knock McCall out.

Superman, Thor, Hulk, Bruce Lee, Silverfox - It doesn't matter how many whacks to the head he gets he'll still be staring back at you. Fact.

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The crack pipe had him on his hands and knees multiple times

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Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

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Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

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Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

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Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

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Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

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Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

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Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

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Damn right he hits harder :D

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

When McCall and rahman knocked out Lewis, they really stepped in with the right hand and put their whole body into it. They saw an opening and threw that punch with conviction.

Today,s version of wlad rarely, if ever, fully commits to his punches in fear of counters. Defense is on his mind at all times.

Wlad wouldn't take chances like mccall and rahman. He gets his ass kicked

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Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

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Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

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Damn right he hits harder :D

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

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Wladimir couldn't KO David Haye, but Lennox Lewis would have no choice but to go out on his shield huh:rolleyes: Who the hell has Wlad ever fought that's even close to Lewis, I think you're being fairly wishful here. Each his own...but Wlad more athletic, seriously? I guess power, quickness and footwork are debatable in themselves, but he had nowhere near the overall athleticism or depth that Lennox did, he is so mechanical in comparison there are no words. My point was that Lennox was knocked out both times by shorter men who threw wide while stepping in. Wlad never throws that way, is never in position to, so it's very unlikely he'd catch Lennox in a similar fashion. Does Wlad hit hard enough to hurt him with a straight right that Lennox would see coming? It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. On the flip side, I have a pretty hard time seeing Wlad taking anything solid from Lewis as would most I suspect. If a fight broke out at ANY point in close, Wlad would be the one getting flattened.

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Jack dempsey didn't want anything to do with the black heavies of his own time, I doubt he'd fancy going up against a modern black monster like Lennox

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Did he tell you that? Were you alive and actually spoke with Dempsey back then? I'm a Lennox fan too, but the way you word your post is bulshit.

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Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

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Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

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Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

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Uhm and what I said is in disagreement exactly how?