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And he would get this done through high workrate similiar to what Jermaine Taylor did.
7 years has passed and hops is that much older. He wouldn't be able to handle Cleverly's assault for 12 rounds. The con man would get overwhelmed.
Whatever happens against Kovalez, cleverly has the perfect style to beat bernard.
I think it's about time someone exposes that fraud Bernard Hopkins.
I agree with the OP. Cleverly reminds me a lot of Calzaghe and the output would earn him a decision. Hopkins is very good, but there is a lot of nonsense with some of the opponents and their own limitations (weight clauses, mandatories etc). When in with someone his own size and with effective output and combinations, he tends to get outworked. Hopkins is a clever man and tends to avoid that kind of fighter. He thought he could bully Calzaghe and simply got it wrong, he occasionally does that.
This fight was being discussed not too long ago with both men wanting to fight and Bernard even claimed that he would travel to Cleverly's backyard if I remember correct.
If this fight happens, I'm going to bet big on Cleverly. That's how sure I am about this prediction.
He better handle business against Kovalev first. If not, he ain't getting near a ring with Hopkins nor should he. There isn't a thought of this until-if he wins this with his motor skills still intact and Hopkins beats up a mandatory and a assumed Fonfara. On a side note its again great that a cranky old geezer in Hopkins can still piss off his haters by simply waking up in the morning ;D
I think Fonfara would get picked apart by Hops.. Not Cleverly though. Hops wouldnt even get a breather against this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Hopkins is shit, he's cheated and broke the rules all the way to legendary status.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Cleverly takes every round. Too young and too fresh.
I would agree but Cleverly can get too reliant on his stamina, work rate and chin which means he has a tendancy to be out boxed by better fighters. B Hop would be one of those better fighters and Hopkins can still beat young undefeated fighters like Cloud so it would not be a formality.
When you look at it Hopkins is amazing at what he does time and time again.
Hopkins wins his fights by dictating the pace, he has never liked to face fighters that set a fast pace
and high work rate.! Bernardo likes nothing better, than to hit and hold bitch to the referrer, and fight
at a snails pace, plus he is a big C I shall not swear as not to upset the children. ;D
I think he has some speed, just not sold on him on a top scale and he doesn't fight the smartest fight. I think the last version of Hopkins I saw could capitalize on some rawness and him actually thinking he's the next Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaI think Fonfara would get picked apart by Hops.. Not Cleverly though. Hops wouldnt even get a breather against this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Even with tonights fight, I think he just has the style to cause an old man some headaches based solely on output and work ethic. It's obviously never going to happen now.
Smh. Some people don't understand how styles make fights.
Hey Adam, your boxing knowledge seems low.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
;D
I'm drunk as fuck so that truley made me crack up/
He is in great company though. How's the prediction league going ?:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Agree. Yesterday I said that whatever happens against kovalez, cleverly has the style to beat hops and I stand by that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Some of u other guys are clearly fickle minded. Its about styles
Performing at a top level as always. Much better than what you can do. You are too scared to even compete. I had Kovalez by KO. What about u beans? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzHe is in great company though. How's the prediction league going ?:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Show me something
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaPerforming at a top level as always. Much better than what you can do. You are too scared to even compete. I had Kovalez by KO. What about u beans? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzHe is in great company though. How's the prediction league going ?:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Show me something
I have never claimed to have great boxing knowledge I am just a fan.
I have shown you myself having an 8 hour tattoo, my grandson,13 record releases, my head in a disabled bus cut in two next to Brock, my ugly mug and moobs, my art review blog, how to call everyone on the forum a c***, original video productions starring veteran posters, animated text, e.t.c not sure what else I can show you other than my arse.
:moon:
I think he might beat Hopkins but then again he might not. .......................depends. :-\ ;D
Coming from you? That's a compliment...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
If you found my opinions agreeable, I would really be worried.
It's not just about styles, it's about LEVELS you moron.
A five fight novice can have the right type of style to beat an elite veteran fighter's style... But they still have to be on the same fucking level to pull it off... :vd:
I've said for ages now that Cleverly was a warren manufactured paper champ, not genuinley world class...
He can have any style he wants. No ammount of having the 'right style' means that he has the calibre to actually perform at that LEVEL though.
Dont get so riled up Adam , you are basically pouring your heart out here for nothing. lol You are not understanding this so let me break it down for you just as I would for a 10 year old okaaaaay?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBComing from you? That's a compliment...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
If you found my opinions agreeable, I would really be worried.
It's not just about styles, it's about LEVELS you moron.
A five fight novice can have the right type of style to beat an elite veteran fighter's style... But they still have to be on the same fucking level to pull it off... :vd:
I've said for ages now that Cleverly was a warren manufactured paper champ, not genuinley world class...
He can have any style he wants. No ammount of having the 'right style' means that he has the calibre to actually perform at that LEVEL though.
You keep talking about levels but history has shown that one doesn't have to be on the same " level " to beat his veteran opponent.
How would you explain Pacquaio jumping up a division to beat the #1 fighter in barrera in his very first fight at a new weight? Did people even fathom that he would be on the same " level " as barrera prior to the fight in 03?
WHat about Mayorga coming out of nowhere ( although be beat 6head )to score an early knockout over undisputed champ in Forrest .. What kind of level was he prior to that fight dumbass?
I can go on and on with this but im gonna assume you processed it.. you fuckin simpleton lol
Yes, it's all about styles and substance, idiot.. but coming from you who probably never been near a boxing ring, I can understand.
Crawl back into your hole Finito, you imbecile.
nobody was talking to you so stfu and go stand in the corner with your pon pons. You sound like a bitch and a fluffer and im pretty much at a loss of words by what u just sent me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Grow some backbones seriously.
I don't care if nobody was talking to me, it's a thread Einstein. You're just being a clueless twit throwing around personal attacks for no reason as usual, what the hell would you know about having a backbone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitanobody was talking to you so stfu and go stand in the corner with your pon pons. You sound like a bitch and a fluffer and im pretty much at a loss of words by what u just sent me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Grow some backbones seriously.
Oh dear. I think he might have spent a bit more time in the ring than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaDont get so riled up Adam , you are basically pouring your heart out here for nothing. lol You are not understanding this so let me break it down for you just as I would for a 10 year old okaaaaay?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBComing from you? That's a compliment...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
If you found my opinions agreeable, I would really be worried.
It's not just about styles, it's about LEVELS you moron.
A five fight novice can have the right type of style to beat an elite veteran fighter's style... But they still have to be on the same fucking level to pull it off... :vd:
I've said for ages now that Cleverly was a warren manufactured paper champ, not genuinley world class...
He can have any style he wants. No ammount of having the 'right style' means that he has the calibre to actually perform at that LEVEL though.
You keep talking about levels but history has shown that one doesn't have to be on the same " level " to beat his veteran opponent.
How would you explain Pacquaio jumping up a division to beat the #1 fighter in barrera in his very first fight at a new weight? Did people even fathom that he would be on the same " level " as barrera prior to the fight in 03?
WHat about Mayorga coming out of nowhere ( although be beat 6head )to score an early knockout over undisputed champ in Forrest .. What kind of level was he prior to that fight dumbass?
I can go on and on with this but im gonna assume you processed it.. you fuckin simpleton lol
Yes, it's all about styles and substance, idiot.. but coming from you who probably never been near a boxing ring, I can understand.
10 bouts at light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaDont get so riled up Adam , you are basically pouring your heart out here for nothing. lol You are not understanding this so let me break it down for you just as I would for a 10 year old okaaaaay?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBComing from you? That's a compliment...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
If you found my opinions agreeable, I would really be worried.
It's not just about styles, it's about LEVELS you moron.
A five fight novice can have the right type of style to beat an elite veteran fighter's style... But they still have to be on the same fucking level to pull it off... :vd:
I've said for ages now that Cleverly was a warren manufactured paper champ, not genuinley world class...
He can have any style he wants. No ammount of having the 'right style' means that he has the calibre to actually perform at that LEVEL though.
You keep talking about levels but history has shown that one doesn't have to be on the same " level " to beat his veteran opponent.
How would you explain Pacquaio jumping up a division to beat the #1 fighter in barrera in his very first fight at a new weight? Did people even fathom that he would be on the same " level " as barrera prior to the fight in 03?
WHat about Mayorga coming out of nowhere ( although be beat 6head )to score an early knockout over undisputed champ in Forrest .. What kind of level was he prior to that fight dumbass?
I can go on and on with this but im gonna assume you processed it.. you fuckin simpleton lol
Yes, it's all about styles and substance, idiot.. but coming from you who probably never been near a boxing ring, I can understand.
You?
(The guy with gloves on in my avatar might suggest to somebody with even the simplest powers of deduction that I have at least some ring experience? :vd:)
And Pac and Mayorga were genuine world class fighters, if you're stupid enough to think that Cleverly is anything better than a Frank Warren manufactured paper champion then that's your problem... :rolleyes:
46 bouts as an amatuer.. I didnt pay attention but at a glance, I thought that was Andrew Golota in your avi..Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB10 bouts at light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaDont get so riled up Adam , you are basically pouring your heart out here for nothing. lol You are not understanding this so let me break it down for you just as I would for a 10 year old okaaaaay?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBComing from you? That's a compliment...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
If you found my opinions agreeable, I would really be worried.
It's not just about styles, it's about LEVELS you moron.
A five fight novice can have the right type of style to beat an elite veteran fighter's style... But they still have to be on the same fucking level to pull it off... :vd:
I've said for ages now that Cleverly was a warren manufactured paper champ, not genuinley world class...
He can have any style he wants. No ammount of having the 'right style' means that he has the calibre to actually perform at that LEVEL though.
You keep talking about levels but history has shown that one doesn't have to be on the same " level " to beat his veteran opponent.
How would you explain Pacquaio jumping up a division to beat the #1 fighter in barrera in his very first fight at a new weight? Did people even fathom that he would be on the same " level " as barrera prior to the fight in 03?
WHat about Mayorga coming out of nowhere ( although be beat 6head )to score an early knockout over undisputed champ in Forrest .. What kind of level was he prior to that fight dumbass?
I can go on and on with this but im gonna assume you processed it.. you fuckin simpleton lol
Yes, it's all about styles and substance, idiot.. but coming from you who probably never been near a boxing ring, I can understand.
You?
(The guy with gloves on in my avatar might suggest to somebody with even the simplest powers of deduction that I have at least some ring experience? :vd:)
And Pac and Mayorga were genuine world class fighters, if you're stupid enough to think that Cleverly is anything better than a Frank Warren manufactured paper champion then that's your problem... :rolleyes:
Many unproven prospects and contenders fight nobodies until they fight somebody and there are upsets all the time so dont act thick just to reach for a point. I can't think of specific names right now but of all the years ive been in Boxing, ive seen countless fighters beating opponents they shouldnt have beaten..
What kind of killers did Jermaine Taylor fight prior to facing hopkins? Was Vince Philips any better than Cleverly prior to facing Tszyu?
Hey dick cheese, styles make fights and it's that simple. And when you are old and walking on thin ice like Hopkins, father time can catch up anytime especially when up against a workhorse like Cleverly.
Im not the only one thinks Clev would beat him. For a guy who claims to have had 10 fights, you sound kinda dumb.
99% of those people are Welsh, the rest are as dumb as you.
You keep putting Cleverly in with names like Taylor, Pac and Mayorga... But none of those guys were Warren hype jobs.
I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt about fighting 'as an amatuer' (be more vague?), but nothing you've ever posted gives the impression that you know what it's about.
Cleverly = Hype job = Warren
Story now over, live with it!
Every middle/light heavy in the world wants to fight Bernard, Bernard gives them purse money as well as a boxing lesson from an old man.
Bernard beat Calslappy, easy in my book.
Sit back and wait for it, what, by the way is the WBO? Would that be the Wouldabeen Boxers Organisation?
Alphabet and hype rules.
It does seem a trend for Frank Warren fighters to have a hell of an easy time to the WBO title. Anyone have some idea of how this started? I guess with the WBO being the most recent alphabet gang, it could have just been a case of the UK domestic scene being somewhat untapped at that point? It's easily the best in the world, but there have been a number of WBO champs who should really have only been fighting for the commonwealth or Lonsdale belts etc.
Its easy to work out, Warren just buys the lunch! (and optional extras).Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Could be, that's what I was wondering. With the WBO being a new and fairly unreputable organization years back, was it just a of win-win cashing in on the UK domestic scene? Calling someone a world champion is fairly self-fulfilling after all, when they already have a market.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomIts easy to work out, Warren just buys the lunch! (and optional extras).Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Come on now Adam, Cleverly is a World class fighter he may have lost,! but he lost to a guyQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
no one wants to face, so you have to give him some credit,! Warren is not ever ones cup of tea
but it's part and parcel of the game.
I support fighters I LIKE, regardless if they are WELSH or not remember there has been many
fine WBO Champions, and crap ones no organization WBC , WBA IBF are whiter than white.