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Boxing fan's are a funny bunch, one lose and and your history,! yes we are a funny lot
but we forget, here is a example of a World Champion before he won his World title
he had lost 6 fights, his record consisted of won (49) (KO30) lost 14 (4) +drawn 2.
Now you would say, he was pretty crap but the guy was a Rock, this guy was very entertaining
not the best technical boxer in the World, but gave his all, WHO WAS HE.!
There is a clue in there to who this fighters is.!Quote:
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Denis Andries.
Dennis Andries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj2LqTJN2no
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Definitely in my top 5 personal pet peeves.
Yes you are right Dennis The Rock Andries, he lost 6 fights before becoming Champion, had 3
epic fights with Jeff Harding, and one with Tommy Hearns.
After losing to Hearns, he became a Kronk fighter it goes to prove your may be down and out
but this guy was far from finished.
Dennis was not technically a gifted boxer, but he gave his body and soul people would look
at his record and think he was rubbish far from it.
Charlie Zelenoff? ;DQuote:
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I can imagine a guy can learn more about himself from a hard fought loss than a assured and assumex win in some cases and he wasn't lossing to chumps. Guys like Andries were banking experience the whole time. Bobby Czyz and Arum thought he would just move outta the way for them. Loved the trilogy with Harding, that belongs in a best of all time category. Just wars!
Jhonny Gonzalez. 19 boxing "experts" were asked, 19 picked Mares, 0 for J-Gonz.
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Is that actually confirmed? Goes to show, this is boxing. There was no reason at all to pick Gonzales, but most of those 19 guys probably knew he had some chance, and what do ya know:D Surprised the hell out of me, Mares has had a couple of gruelling fights and I'd never seen him seriously hurt before last night. Anyone, absolutely anyone can get caught against a puncher like Jhonny at that weight class. Would love to see a rematch.
Dennis Andries is a example of a fighter that you would have written off, but he went on to become
WBC light heavy weight Champ.
Very much goes to show, sometimes records do not tell the truth us boxing fan's are writing fighters off
after one lose.!
Looking back in time not many fighters, were undefeated but they became Champions,! are
we now writing fighters off after one lose yes we are,!
Modern boxers, don't seem to serve a long apprenticeship you can be a World Champion after
10 or so fights, it seems we don't tolerate a fighter losing 2 or 3 fights.
Lets go back in time, most fighters had between 30 or 40 plus fights before having a chance of
a title fight, we must remember some of theses fighters had lost, but they became Champions, the modern boxing fans are a hard to please bunch, you would have to agree are we not.;)
Do most fans really write fighters off after one loss? Of course there are idiots that gloat at the failure of certain fighters but most sensible fans understand anyone can lose on any given night, which is what makes boxing so exciting.
I was 11 when Andries fought Hearns. I watched the fight with my dad. I remember beforehand my dad telling me Andries is as hard as nails. Then I watched him get knocked down ten million times and didn't understand why he was so tough. Obviously later I would realise he was hard as nails because he kept getting back up.
By the way (Dia), don't worry mate, I'm sure Frank will have a good plan to give Nathan Cleverly another "world" title. ;D
Yes I am in agreement with, look at Kiko he won Frampton must be kicking himself, well ifQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Cleverly comes back,we all gloat bud it's what boxing fans do.;D
Frampton kicking himself because his title shot got further away. However, it must have also given him a great confidence boost that he has already KO'd the current IBF champ.
Also just because Kiko beat Romero it doesn't mean Frampton would have. The old A beats B which means he beats C only works for rating fighters.
I haven't been betting much lately, it was clouding my already poor judgement ;D
Kiko and Gonzalez , both underdogs look what happens you just got to love boxing, as betting goesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
myself nothing, my son won £110 on the F1 Hamilton getting pole the other week.
I went to Andries/HardingIII (one of boxing's most underrated trilogies), and in arguably the best of their three bouts, Dennis was the victim of an Away Town decision. But then Andries always did things differently...
Another example would be (and I know he is not everyone's cup of tea) Johnny Nelson. A journeyman turned good, he then puts in three of the worst performances I have ever seen from a talented fighter (Deleon, Warring and Akinwande (which I had the misfortune of going to)); but redeems himself with some quality performances and an alphabet title, coincidentally starting with a victory over Andries, before slipping back into his old ways a few years later...
Also another two British (now) commentators who turned around their career nicely would be Glenn McCrory, who went from journeyman Heavyweight to arguably for a short period the finest 190lber on the planet. And even more impressively Jim Watt; I think you would of been led away in a straight jacket if you had said in 1976 that Watt, who was losing to journeymen British Lightweights, would within five years become so good that it would take a primed Arguello to take away his crown!
There was a time in boxing history when Glenn McCrory could have been considered THE best in his division? That is almost depressing.
Yes I remember Nelson in them fights he stank the place out, but he could fight when he put his mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
to it, as for Watt he was a tough SOB underrated I feel, McCrory could box a bit but Lampkin was a
bit to much for him. Good examples of fighters that lost earlier in there careers, but went on to be
World Champions.:)
LOL, for a VERY short period he probably was, which I think shows how poor the division was at the time. But Lumumba was meant to take over from Holyfield, and McCrory beat him convincingly; and although those watching on ITV would not realize, Glenn came back later, to put an excellent comeback win in, after losing the early rounds badly against Makathini.Quote:
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Same with Conteh and Graham. They both got a bit of a raw deal for their efforts in the public eye and historically.
Imagine Benny Leonard and Armstrong and their beginnings. Today they would have been relegated to club fighters and never gotten out of the hole.
What is it today you lose a few fights scrap hep job,! ever body would like a undefeated record butQuote:
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Originally Posted by Dia bando
Same with Conteh and Graham. They both got a bit of a raw deal for their efforts in the public eye and historically.
Imagine Benny Leonard and Armstrong and their beginnings. Today they would have been relegated to club fighters and never gotten out of the hole.
they are few and far between.
Lets take Hagler he had lost a few fights, but does that take away the fact he was one of the finest
middle weight Champions ever to put on a pair of boxing gloves.
The list goes on as above Armstrong and Leonard true greats, if horse loses a race do you stop racing it no it's given a chance.
I agree with you past greats, would be relegated to club fighter level in this day and age.
Jesus... and people call David Haye a shit cruiser let alone Johnny Nelson.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidLOL, for a VERY short period he probably was, which I think shows how poor the division was at the time. But Lumumba was meant to take over from Holyfield, and McCrory beat him convincingly; and although those watching on ITV would not realize, Glenn came back later, to put an excellent comeback win in, after losing the early rounds badly against Makathini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster