Written Off !!!!!!!!!!

[Fenster]

Frampton kicking himself because his title shot got further away. However, it must have also given him a great confidence boost that he has already KO'd the current IBF champ.

Also just because Kiko beat Romero it doesn't mean Frampton would have. The old A beats B which means he beats C only works for rating fighters.

I haven't been betting much lately, it was clouding my already poor judgement

[Dia bando]

Frampton kicking himself because his title shot got further away. However, it must have also given him a great confidence boost that he has already KO'd the current IBF champ.

Also just because Kiko beat Romero it doesn't mean Frampton would have. The old A beats B which means he beats C only works for rating fighters.

I haven't been betting much lately, it was clouding my already poor judgement

Kiko and Gonzalez , both underdogs look what happens you just got to love boxing, as betting goes
myself nothing, my son won £110 on the F1 Hamilton getting pole the other week.

[Britkid]

I went to Andries/HardingIII (one of boxing's most underrated trilogies), and in arguably the best of their three bouts, Dennis was the victim of an Away Town decision. But then Andries always did things differently...

Another example would be (and I know he is not everyone's cup of tea) Johnny Nelson. A journeyman turned good, he then puts in three of the worst performances I have ever seen from a talented fighter (Deleon, Warring and Akinwande (which I had the misfortune of going to)); but redeems himself with some quality performances and an alphabet title, coincidentally starting with a victory over Andries, before slipping back into his old ways a few years later...

Also another two British (now) commentators who turned around their career nicely would be Glenn McCrory, who went from journeyman Heavyweight to arguably for a short period the finest 190lber on the planet. And even more impressively Jim Watt; I think you would of been led away in a straight jacket if you had said in 1976 that Watt, who was losing to journeymen British Lightweights, would within five years become so good that it would take a primed Arguello to take away his crown!

[Fenster]

There was a time in boxing history when Glenn McCrory could have been considered THE best in his division? That is almost depressing.

[Dia bando]

I went to Andries/HardingIII (one of boxing's most underrated trilogies), and in arguably the best of their three bouts, Dennis was the victim of an Away Town decision. But then Andries always did things differently...

Another example would be (and I know he is not everyone's cup of tea) Johnny Nelson. A journeyman turned good, he then puts in three of the worst performances I have ever seen from a talented fighter (Deleon, Warring and Akinwande (which I had the misfortune of going to)); but redeems himself with some quality performances and an alphabet title, coincidentally starting with a victory over Andries, before slipping back into his old ways a few years later...

Also another two British (now) commentators who turned around their career nicely would be Glenn McCrory, who went from journeyman Heavyweight to arguably for a short period the finest 190lber on the planet. And even more impressively Jim Watt; I think you would of been led away in a straight jacket if you had said in 1976 that Watt, who was losing to journeymen British Lightweights, would within five years become so good that it would take a primed Arguello to take away his crown!

Yes I remember Nelson in them fights he stank the place out, but he could fight when he put his mind
to it, as for Watt he was a tough SOB underrated I feel, McCrory could box a bit but Lampkin was a
bit to much for him. Good examples of fighters that lost earlier in there careers, but went on to be
World Champions.

[Britkid]

There was a time in boxing history when Glenn McCrory could have been considered THE best in his division? That is almost depressing.

LOL, for a VERY short period he probably was, which I think shows how poor the division was at the time. But Lumumba was meant to take over from Holyfield, and McCrory beat him convincingly; and although those watching on ITV would not realize, Glenn came back later, to put an excellent comeback win in, after losing the early rounds badly against Makathini.

[IamInuit]

Yes you are right Dennis The Rock Andries, he lost 6 fights before becoming Champion, had 3
epic fights with Jeff Harding, and one with Tommy Hearns.
After losing to Hearns, he became a Kronk fighter it goes to prove your may be down and out
but this guy was far from finished.
Dennis was not technically a gifted boxer, but he gave his body and soul people would look
at his record and think he was rubbish far from it.

Same with Conteh and Graham. They both got a bit of a raw deal for their efforts in the public eye and historically.


Imagine Benny Leonard and Armstrong and their beginnings. Today they would have been relegated to club fighters and never gotten out of the hole.

[Dia bando]

Yes you are right Dennis The Rock Andries, he lost 6 fights before becoming Champion, had 3
epic fights with Jeff Harding, and one with Tommy Hearns.
After losing to Hearns, he became a Kronk fighter it goes to prove your may be down and out
but this guy was far from finished.
Dennis was not technically a gifted boxer, but he gave his body and soul people would look
at his record and think he was rubbish far from it.

Same with Conteh and Graham. They both got a bit of a raw deal for their efforts in the public eye and historically.


Imagine Benny Leonard and Armstrong and their beginnings. Today they would have been relegated to club fighters and never gotten out of the hole.

What is it today you lose a few fights scrap hep job,! ever body would like a undefeated record but
they are few and far between.
Lets take Hagler he had lost a few fights, but does that take away the fact he was one of the finest
middle weight Champions ever to put on a pair of boxing gloves.
The list goes on as above Armstrong and Leonard true greats, if horse loses a race do you stop racing it no it's given a chance.
I agree with you past greats, would be relegated to club fighter level in this day and age.

[Fenster]

There was a time in boxing history when Glenn McCrory could have been considered THE best in his division? That is almost depressing.

LOL, for a VERY short period he probably was, which I think shows how poor the division was at the time. But Lumumba was meant to take over from Holyfield, and McCrory beat him convincingly; and although those watching on ITV would not realize, Glenn came back later, to put an excellent comeback win in, after losing the early rounds badly against Makathini.

Jesus... and people call David Haye a shit cruiser let alone Johnny Nelson.