hers a link to C.J.Ross' box rec page where someone has made a list of her questionable judgements.
there's also a picture of her. avert your gaze if possible.
C.J. Ross - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
DRAWS seem to be her thing.
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hers a link to C.J.Ross' box rec page where someone has made a list of her questionable judgements.
there's also a picture of her. avert your gaze if possible.
C.J. Ross - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
DRAWS seem to be her thing.
wow, simply amazing
Her bio speaks for itself. Why oh why is this incompetent woman allowed to continue judging boxing matches? Isn't there something else she can do for a living that does not involve the use of good judgement?
Her bio does not 'speaks for itself'. Certain results are picked out to strengthen one side of the argument. Ross had a bad night last night, as shown not for the first time. But there were times where Ross would of done her job well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
george foreman is wrong about jazz and you are wrong about cj ross @Britkid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidHer bio does not 'speaks for itself'. Certain results are picked out to strengthen one side of the argument. Ross had a bad night last night, as shown not for the first time. But there were times where Ross would of done her job well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
she is clearly incompetent and a lot of the best jazz is extremely well liked.
Where does the clearness in the incompetence come from? She had a bad day at work this morning; she had another bad day with Pacquiao. I think also she has performed poorly in other fights. But I suspect most of the time she is very good at her job. Maybe she could do with some more 'training' in dealing with the big fights. That may involve her being 'rested' for a while. But it does seem very harsh to call someone incompetent with so little evidence. I know I would be out of a job, if your judgements and/or standards were used.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
You are being too ruthless rocco!
As for George, you may have a point, he was certainly 'unique' in many of his traits, and that probably includes judging jazz.
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Originally Posted by BritkidWhere does the clearness in the incompetence come from? She had a bad day at work this morning; she had another bad day with Pacquiao. I think also she has performed poorly in other fights. But I suspect most of the time she is very good at her job. Maybe she could do with some more 'training' in dealing with the big fights. That may involve her being 'rested' for a while. But it does seem very harsh to call someone incompetent with so little evidence. I know I would be out of a job, if your judgements and/or standards were used.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
You are being too ruthless rocco!
As for George, you may have a point, he was certainly 'unique' in many of his traits, and that probably includes judging jazz.
Reread your statement above, Britkid. You're being (IMO) a bit too forgiving in this case. We're talking major mega-fights here, not your average run-of-the-mill fights. Efforts should be made to have the best judges available..... not someone who tends to have "bad days at the office." A PPV with the huge buildup and implications this fight had should not be left to chance by some mediocre judge.
Britkid's logic: That guy is a good pilot most of the time. So what if he's fallen asleep 10 or 12 times mid flight? That doesn't mean he's a bad pilot... Everyone has bad days. Don't be so hard on the guy!
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Exactly. Logic that perpetuates one of the biggest problems boxing has.
Sir, stop and think for a minute, she had the Canelo vs Floyd fight a draw. That's not a "bad day" or a "bad night" at work. The lady does not know how to judge a fight, she should not be judging fights big or small.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidWhere does the clearness in the incompetence come from? She had a bad day at work this morning; she had another bad day with Pacquiao. I think also she has performed poorly in other fights. But I suspect most of the time she is very good at her job. Maybe she could do with some more 'training' in dealing with the big fights. That may involve her being 'rested' for a while. But it does seem very harsh to call someone incompetent with so little evidence. I know I would be out of a job, if your judgements and/or standards were used.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
You are being too ruthless rocco!
As for George, you may have a point, he was certainly 'unique' in many of his traits, and that probably includes judging jazz.
She was listening to the crowd instead of watching the fight, it's that or she is corrupt. I do not believe in justifying a judge's poor performance, they should be held to the highest standard possible.
She had a "bad day" is a terrible, terrible, terrible excuse!
Scrutiny, this is what judges NEED. It's an opportunity with a mega fight like this to put a moon beam on crappy judging because we all know it happens every weekend not named Canelo and Mayweather and ya hardly hear a peep. I flip up the craptop this morning and the first thing I see on yahoo is judges in question. One thing that strikes me is...make these judges travel!!! Just as fighters. I don't think Ross has left the state of Nevada too often, its a comfort zone. See the same boxers over and over and it has to form a tilted familiarity when some guy comes to hometown for first time.
Absolute retarded logic from Britkid. Watch the fight. There is no way you can score that a draw. I am probably more forgiving of judges then most but ffs that was shocking. Clearly she doesnt understand what a scoring punch is and needs to be given the boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidWhere does the clearness in the incompetence come from? She had a bad day at work this morning; she had another bad day with Pacquiao. I think also she has performed poorly in other fights. But I suspect most of the time she is very good at her job. Maybe she could do with some more 'training' in dealing with the big fights. That may involve her being 'rested' for a while. But it does seem very harsh to call someone incompetent with so little evidence. I know I would be out of a job, if your judgements and/or standards were used.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
You are being too ruthless rocco!
As for George, you may have a point, he was certainly 'unique' in many of his traits, and that probably includes judging jazz.
Reread your statement above, Britkid. You're being (IMO) a bit too forgiving in this case. We're talking major mega-fights here, not your average run-of-the-mill fights. Efforts should be made to have the best judges available..... not someone who tends to have "bad days at the office." A PPV with the huge buildup and implications this fight had should not be left to chance by some mediocre judge.
Potentially killing people and misjudging a fight...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I think to be fair I am not saying she was rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Again where does it show she 'clearly' does not understand what a scoring punch is? I am confident she does, and thus am prepared to believe she had a poor day at the office, because otherwise I can only come to one other conclusion.Quote:
Clearly she doesnt understand what a scoring punch is and needs to be given the boot.
The fact she scored it a draw shows she does not know what a scoring punch is. Alvarez didnt land anything let alone enough to win 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI think to be fair I am not saying she was rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Again where does it show she 'clearly' does understand what a scoring punch is? I am confident she does, and thus am prepared to believe she had a poor day at the office, because otherwise I can only come to one other conclusion.Quote:
Clearly she doesnt understand what a scoring punch is and needs to be given the boot.
She does know how to judge a fight, she has a career to back that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
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She was listening to the crowd instead of watching the fight, it's that or she is corrupt. I do not believe in justifying a judge's poor performance, they should be held to the highest standard possible.
She had a "bad day" is a terrible, terrible, terrible excuse!
Judges should rightly be pointed out when they make very bad decisions. I also agree it is important in such big fights the best available judges should be used. Looking back I did not see either camp complaining about her, in a fight that I think most figured would go the distance. As I do not think and have no evidence to suggest she is corrupt, I conclude to be constructive I need to look at the mind set of how a very competent judge got it wrong. I assume its comes down to the abstract aspects of judging, the stuff that is judging but cannot be written down. Ross got that very wrong, and it needs to be rectified, and I hope it is.
I had Mayweather winning comfortable, but are you really saying Alvarez did not land a punch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
For christs sake Britkid, we aren't talking about a brain surgeon here. Why do you doubt that she is corrupt; is it really more outlandish to suggest that than it is to argue the merit of scoring that fight even? There is absolutely no excuse for that scorecard and to justify it by citing her experience is ridiculous.
CJ Ross digs deep....
Boxing News | C.J. Ross: I stand behind my decision
someone check her and her family's bank accounts!!!
i'm pretty sure if you cross reference the cost of Oscar's rehab with amount CJ Ross' bank balance just jumped they'll be awfully similar.
I doubt anyone here has not done something absolutely ridiculous in their job/life. And it was not because they are corrupt, it is just they are human...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
If judging boxing was as simple as getting a computer to count punches, we would have had that by now. Amateur boxing tried it to a degree, and I think most agree it added not took away from the problem. Part of the beauty of boxing is that it is far from perfect. So the woman had a poor day at the office. Well no one died, and still the right person won.
I know I am guilty as most, by why all the negativity? We have just watched the finest fighter of the 21st Century put on a master class. At his age and with his style, it maybe the last time we see such brilliance from him, so lets make the most of that, rather than letting a poor bit of judgement overshadow things.
People like you is whats wrong with boxing. You accept this bullshit and corruption like so many others which allows it to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI doubt anyone here has not done something absolutely ridiculous in their job/life. And it was not because they are corrupt, it is just they are human...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
If judging boxing was as simple as getting a computer to count punches, we would have had that by now. Amateur boxing tried it to a degree, and I think most agree it added not took away from the problem. Part of the beauty of boxing is that it is far from perfect. So the woman had a poor day at the office. Well no one died, and still the right person won.
I know I am guilty as most, by why all the negativity? We have just watched the finest fighter of the 21st Century put on a master class. At his age and with his style, it maybe the last time we see such brilliance from him, so lets make the most of that, rather than letting a poor bit of judgement overshadow things.
You would have to go back to ancient Greece and find a card scored by a series of grunts to equal this horse shit Ross card.
This broad should be banned if this sport and it's athletic commisions had any integrity, but I'm sure we'll see here blowing fighting and fucking over fighters for many years to come.
I am all ears my friend, give me a realistic plan that is going to sort out a sport that has been corrupt for thousands years in its different forms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I do not accept corruption, I recognize it and realize there is little that can be done. It is the only way you can be a long term 'hardcore' boxing fan, otherwise you just go round in circles in almost comical mock horror at every wrong.
I suspect the older members of this forum remember me getting on my high horse about Riddick Bowe's comeback almost a decade ago. I was never having anything to do with the sport again if he came back! Well he did, and I am still here. Bowe's comeback faded to nothing, and I realized what a dick I was being. And thinking about it in this era I do not believe there is anything in the sport that would get me that 'excited' again. It is far from perfect, but I can live with that. This morning Mayweather put on a masterclass and won the fight, that is all there is to know. No one cares that Hearns domination of Benitez went down as a majority decision, in a few weeks no one will care Lil Floyd's victory was too a majority win...
Nearly all of us here are whats right with the sport and have done our time so to speak. No need to knee cap anyone becuase we differ. There does have to be a zero tolerance level for skewed or shady judging. All the debate here has not been that a strong case can be shown as to support the judge but that she made a mistake. If I make a mistake at the highest level in my job performance, I like many others are called to the mat suspended, demoted and or fired.
Exactly! If you are a professional anything at a high level then expectations should be high and mistakes scrutinized, the fact that boxing is subjective should not be an end all to this, it's within reason. The right guy won in spite of this awful judge, it's not exactly a footnote and were there two of her we would have had a dominant performance in the highest profile fight in years become a farce. Anyone who doesn't think this stuff hurts the sport is high if you ask me.
Justify a draw? Show me the rounds? Show me a round that Alvarez clearly won?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_YneSM0ItA
;D
Terrible score and it stunned me last night. I would chalk it up to extreme stupidity on her part. I have a hard time believing she would risk corruption in such spotlight. That could be naive of me but it was so blatantly bad it just seems she would basically be announcing her corruption with a loudspeaker.
Because I'm a negative cunt, but thats besides the point. Just as is the fact that Mayweather got the win, when we are talking about this specific judge who didn't give it to him. If people are extremely successful and achieve notoriety in their field, then absolute screw ups shouldn't be tolerated. That's like saying every ships Captain should be given a pass for running aground or hitting a fucking iceberg now and then, only human right. A bad day at the office could be giving Canelo 3 or 4 rounds instead of 1 or 2, but not 6. This lady is either corrupt or woefully inept, I don't see how you can spin it otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI doubt anyone here has not done something absolutely ridiculous in their job/life. And it was not because they are corrupt, it is just they are human...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
If judging boxing was as simple as getting a computer to count punches, we would have had that by now. Amateur boxing tried it to a degree, and I think most agree it added not took away from the problem. Part of the beauty of boxing is that it is far from perfect. So the woman had a poor day at the office. Well no one died, and still the right person won.
I know I am guilty as most, by why all the negativity? We have just watched the finest fighter of the 21st Century put on a master class. At his age and with his style, it maybe the last time we see such brilliance from him, so lets make the most of that, rather than letting a poor bit of judgement overshadow things.
Fuck me of course she's corrupt 100%.
She definitely shouldn't be involved in big fights ever again and definitely should be investigated then forensics should swab her for Oscar jizz :D.
Thing is boxing is organised crime/corrupt firstly and Sport second.... always has been and always will be.
Yes she should be held accountable but The right man got the result here and I've seen far worse scoring many times in high profile fights.... Lennox mugged against Holyfield was probably the worst I've seen.
Judges are toying with fighters lives when they are paid off/leant on ... look at what happened to Michael Watson in the 2nd Eubank fight after he won the 1st by a mile ;-).
Y! SPORTS
This article points out two obvious facts:
1. Just how horrendous and borderline criminal this old lady's scoring of the fight was.
and.....
2. That no matter what Canelo fans want to think, it was a blowout and a shutout.... plain and simple. No "ifs, ands, or buts". Not since Floyd pitched a no-hitter at the hapless (albeit undersized) Juan Manuel Marquez, had he enjoyed such an easy day at the office.
How does one make it to the top of any occupation by being inept? This lady is straight up corrupt. She did this not once but at least twice! And how does an organization find out if someone is corrupt if they don't even investigate? Because they don't care and that's probably got a lot to do with even more corruption. The messed up part is even the 116-112 scorecard was pushing for Alvarez to win and that now somehow seems fair because of the atrocious CJ Ross card. The judges in the Lara/Williams fight were suspended and investigated and this fight was even more one sided. CJ Ross did this twice at the very top level of sports!!!
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Originally Posted by jehoshaphat
she hasn't done it twice... she's done it like 7 or 8 times!!!!
A Captain running a ground could have fatal consequences, at best it is going to cause real problems for the people on the boat. Ross scored a bout a draw that I think most disagree with. In the end it did not matter, as her opinion did not count in the verdict as two of her peers scored the fight for Lil Floyd. Why all the fuss, Ross does not matter in this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As for corruption where is the evidence? Where is the need to investigate? I am not American, but if I was, I would not want more tax dollars spent on something like this, that will almost certainly lead to nothing.
her score did count! how many dollars were won and lost by her calling it a draw. what would the payouts have been for UD vs MD? how many lives were affected by that? as a judge you have a responsibility beyond the two fighter's records and reputations. there's a $100billion sports gambling industry that relies on fair and impartial judging. and regular citizens who gamble are being robbed when some one doesn't judge the contest fairly and objectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidA Captain running a ground could have fatal consequences, at best it is going to cause real problems for the people on the boat. Ross scored a bout a draw that I think most disagree with. In the end it did not matter, as her opinion did not count in the verdict as two of her peers scored the fight for Lil Floyd. Why all the fuss, Ross does not matter in this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As for corruption where is the evidence? Where is the need to investigate? I am not American, but if I was, I would not want more tax dollars spent on something like this, that will almost certainly lead to nothing.
not to mention shitting where you eat.
Well as Rocco said, she turned a clear UD into a MD, I have no idea what the betting implications would've been but that certainly affected people. You are sort of posting as if having the fight even isn't unreasonable, at least it reads that way when you keep reinforcing that Floyd still got the nod. 3 kids with downs syndrome could have scored that fight without causing a stir, the fact that 2 of the judges didn't screw up shouldn't give this lady a pass for doing so. Smashup had a great point with the Michael Watson-Eubank rematch as well, bad decisions can have fatal consequences in this sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidA Captain running a ground could have fatal consequences, at best it is going to cause real problems for the people on the boat. Ross scored a bout a draw that I think most disagree with. In the end it did not matter, as her opinion did not count in the verdict as two of her peers scored the fight for Lil Floyd. Why all the fuss, Ross does not matter in this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As for corruption where is the evidence? Where is the need to investigate? I am not American, but if I was, I would not want more tax dollars spent on something like this, that will almost certainly lead to nothing.
I completely understand that you just don't want to make a big deal of it and accept bad judging as part of boxing, but there is no reason that it can't be improved in major PPV events in this day and age. This woman has a horrendous track record in big fights over the last ten years, she should have never been hired for this one in the first place. I'm not suggesting there's a lot anyone can do about it now as far as the tax dollars go.
No offence but boxing has not been in the past and probably will not be anytime soon "fair and impartial". if you gamble on boxing you need to be aware there will always be intangibles. And I do not think you can legitimately moan if them intangibles bite you, as that is boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Lil Floyd rightly won, in brilliant style.
Las Vegas comissioner says no bad to be had....
Boxing News | Report: NSAC plans no disciplinary action against C.J. Ross
REALLY? thats your answer? thats akin to saying. 'if she's dressed like that she's asking for it.'Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidNo offence but boxing has not been in the past and probably will not be anytime soon "fair and impartial". if you gamble on boxing you need to be aware there will always be intangibles. And I do not think you can legitimately moan if them intangibles bite you, as that is boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Lil Floyd rightly won, in brilliant style.
gamblers deserve to get fucked over because they're gamblers?
it's a $100billion industry....
Gamblers by definition gamble. The best of them will realize what can happen in the sport and factor that in. If you do not, well you do not often see broke bookies and casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I suspect the majority of corruption in boxing is down to gambling. So that would suggest Ross is corrupting the corrupters, which thus may suggests what she did was a good thing! In which case again I disagree with you, as I thought Ross had a bad night, not a good one.