-
Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Didn't know where it was being televised, so I didn't see it from the beginning. But that was a pretty good scrap last night. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. beat previously unbeaten Mexican fighter Guillermo Avila. Lots of good action in that fight, as both were throwing hard, accurate punches. I'm happy for Wilfredo, who has been on a minor skid as of late. I like his style, and I think he's pretty talented and fun to watch. I think they rushed him a bit early in his career... but the potential is still there.
He's got this weird grudge against JuanMa Lopez for some reason. And right now I think JuanMa loses to him easily should they meet in the ring. JuanMa looked downright horrible against Mikey Garcia, as if he's lost every boxing skill he ever displayed early in his career.
A pleasant surprise was watching Wilfredo's younger brother Israel fighting on the same card, and getting a decision victory in what was a pretty good fight also. I must say.... Wilfredo Vazquez Sr., who was a damn good fighter in his own right.... must be pretty proud to have two sons performing well in the boxing ring.
Late Surge Gives Vazquez Jr. Nod Over Avila - Boxing News
-
Hey I went to that fight and I don't know how it looked on tv but he ran and got tagged alot and even though he wasn't seriously hurt or anything once he fights any of the other champs this dude is done.
-
Quote:
Originally Posted by
terrorsid
Hey I went to that fight and I don't know how it looked on tv but he ran and got tagged alot and even though he wasn't seriously hurt or anything once he fights any of the other champs this dude is done.
Oh yea I recorded the fight also
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
terrorsid
Hey I went to that fight and I don't know how it looked on tv but he ran and got tagged alot and even though he wasn't seriously hurt or anything once he fights any of the other champs this dude is done.
Obviously I don't give him too much of a chance against a Rigondeaux, but I've seen him fight on several occasions and he's probably a little better than you're giving him credit for. Is this the first time you've seen him fight? Styles make fights... and he was fighting a hard-punching, unbeaten young fighter. Still.... can't beat being live at a fight to see the action close up and personal. That's for sure.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Caught it in a community access channel showing KTLA (?) of all places. Was a good fight but Vazquez looked to be on his bicycle most of the fight with a free swinging wide frame kid holding his own. Didn't quite make out the last round KD or if they ruled a slip but thought it was tighter than 116-112. He's not the boxer his dad was but few are these days and he'll def get another big fight.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
I watched it on Telemundo and i thought it was exciting.. But this fight just showed the level of Vazquez as he struggled against Avilla who had a winning record against a bunch of bums..
The fact that Vaquez struggled with an opponent of this level just shows his lack of amatuer pedigree and his limits. Not only this fight but he's been slipping since few fights back, often getting hit with punches he shouldnt be getting hit with.
Vazquez dont even belong in the same ring with Rigo so stop dreaming, Tito. He couldnt qualify to be Rigo's waterboy.
He should just try to avenge his loss to the ancient Arce lol who raped him..
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
Vazquez dont even belong in the same ring with Rigo so stop dreaming, Tito.
Ok Finito... maybe you've got an old CRT computer screen which only shows some of the characters. So I'll kindly repost what I said earlier.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Obviously I don't give him too much of a chance against a Rigondeaux,
Hope this helps. ;)
On the other hand, Vazquez Jr. didn't do all that bad against Donaire, recognized at least at the time as one of the top p4p in the world. And he just ran out of gas against Arce after dominating pretty much the whole fight. You want to call that a "rape" or whatever the hell else you want to call it.... be my guest.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Arce's performance was more of a case of a very good small fighter defying the odds and pulling off an upset, he was on a winning streak going into the fight, not so much Vazquez Jr being overrated, the guy still has less fights than Chavez Jr and yet he's already faced better opposition all around, only REAL name on Chavez' record is in his loss against Martinez (which apart from the final round was what I'd call a raping)
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Arce's performance was more of a case of a very good small fighter defying the odds and pulling off an upset, he was on a winning streak going into the fight, not so much Vazquez Jr being overrated, the guy still has less fights than Chavez Jr and yet he's already faced better opposition all around, only REAL name on Chavez' record is in his loss against Martinez (which apart from the final round was what I'd call a raping)
There you go, damnit!!
Throwing undeniable logic at these guys again.
When will you ever learn...
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
@ Tito & Terrible... Whatever you want to call it, the fact is that a young lion in Vazquez got taken into deep water and knocked out by a shot to shit Arce.. How often does that happen to good fighters? smh
I think you guys are seriously overrating Vazquez' resume while shitting on Chavez'... Ya claim that Vazquez has fought better fighters but I got to disagree with that bigtime.. Even if he did face better opposition which he didnt, he failed the test in the significant bouts. First he got knocked out by Arce who was a shell of his former self, then to Nonito, then to some Japanese bum who couldnt crank an egg to save his life. There you go.. So much for his superior resume .
Chavez has fought a handful of former champions/champions like Rubio, John Duddy, Sebastian Zbik, Andy Lee, and Carlos Molina 2x!!!!! but more importantly, he actually beat these guys unlike Vazquez whose yet to prove himself above the fringe contender level.
SO you guys are wrong. Chavez fought much better competition and came through with flying colors..
How many losses does Wilfredo have again?? and two of those losses come from a grandpa arce and a japanese bum..
Chavez is just a higher caliber fighter than WIlfredo..
-
I thought it was a good fight. I actually had Vazquez losing. But l have no problem with the decision. It was close
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Really? You're gonna defend Chavez Jr.'s record with a straight face?
You're trying to impress me because he finally fought a recognizable name in John Duddy in his 42nd pro fight?
And you're gonna prop up Duddy's qualifications to make your case? Really?
While you're at it.... aren't you going to mention who he fought 3 fights later?
The "great" Peter Frigging Manfredo Jr.?
You slipping there, dude.
Yeah.... he finally got around to some better opposition with Rubio and Andy Lee. 'Bout time... don't you think? I mean, some fighters don't even fight 50 fights in their entire career. Why? Because somewhere along the line, they start pro-gre-ssing. At 15-20 fights, they're fighting recognizably good fighters. At 20-30 fights, they're fighting world class fighters, or fighting for championships. Well..... unless you're named Deontay, of course.
Are you going to mention that he outweighed both Rubio and Andy Lee in the ring by 20-30 pounds? Are you going to mention that he's been suspended and fined for using diuretics to lose weight so he can rehydrate to Light HW status? If we're gonna talk caliber of fighter..... let's talk about ALL this stuff.
Yeah.... Arce was way past his prime when he beat Vazquez Jr. In Wilfredo's 22nd pro fight. Who was JCC Jr. fighting in his 22nd pro fight? Some guy in a Guadalajara canteen?
C'mon..... you can defend the JMM's and the Barrera's all you like.... and I'll agree with you. But do me a favor. Don't go out on that fragile limb and try to pass off JCC Jr.'s career for something other than the coddled, padded, bloated record it is.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
@ Tito & Terrible... Whatever you want to call it, the fact is that a young lion in Vazquez got taken into deep water and knocked out by a shot to shit Arce.. How often does that happen to good fighters? smh
I think you guys are seriously overrating Vazquez' resume while shitting on Chavez'... Ya claim that Vazquez has fought better fighters but I got to disagree with that bigtime.. Even if he did face better opposition which he didnt, he failed the test in the significant bouts. First he got knocked out by Arce who was a shell of his former self, then to Nonito, then to some Japanese bum who couldnt crank an egg to save his life. There you go.. So much for his superior resume .
Chavez has fought a handful of former champions/champions like Rubio, John Duddy, Sebastian Zbik, Andy Lee, and Carlos Molina 2x!!!!! but more importantly, he actually beat these guys unlike Vazquez whose yet to prove himself above the fringe contender level.
SO you guys are wrong. Chavez fought much better competition and came through with flying colors..
How many losses does Wilfredo have again?? and two of those losses come from a grandpa arce and a japanese bum..
Chavez is just a higher caliber fighter than WIlfredo..
ummm yea, did you not see the Molina fights? He won both of them and as was the norm until last week, he got fucked over in both
hell Matt Vanda got robbed in the first fight, that's already 3 of his early fights that should have been losses and did you seriously try to use John Duddy as an example of the type of "good" opponents that Jr faced? hahahaha yea that just proves the shitty quality of guys he fought for about 95% of his career
Rubio hasn't done shit but get his ass beat by an already mediocre post-Hopkins Pavlik, knock out the same Vanda that beat Jr while both sported a weight advantage, and knock out a prospect who turned out to be a never was,
Chavez was given a gift against Zbik, and well Andy Lee? Really? the same Lee who himself was KTFO by Jr's next opponent, and was getting his ass beat by the bum that is McEwan until well a lucky come from behind win in the final round, I'm shocked you didn't mention the other guy that Chavez has fought from The Pretender in Manfredo Jr and that you didn't try and build it up to be a huge win, cause you might of actually had enough sense to realize that you already wrote down enough stupid shit trying to build up a guy who even with a HUGE height and weight advantage still manages to look mediocre against weak opposition, but hey, since he's the son of a legend we'll pretend that he's actually a good fighter :-X
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
-
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
I don't think I've been called an innocent bystander or normal. I'm offended ;D But it does take more than one to conduct a pissing contest on here. Boxing is as Nationalistic a sport as there is so a little banner waving is expected, but it can degrade the topic when it steals the show.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
at least he picked it up in the ring, unlike Chavez who you just mentioned who had it literally stolen from Martinez and handed to him without even getting in the ring, so get off your high horse buddy
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
at least he picked it up in the ring, unlike Chavez who you just mentioned who had it literally stolen from Martinez and handed to him without even getting in the ring, so get off your high horse buddy
Stop fucking lying or learn more boxing. Sebastian Zbik was the WBC champion when Chavez beat him. In the ring. He wasn't handed shit. He won it in the ring. Did the title really belong to Sergio Martinez? It probably did. But him being stripped made Zbik the champion. Not Chavez. Chavez had to beat Zbik to become champion.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
at least he picked it up in the ring, unlike Chavez who you just mentioned who had it literally stolen from Martinez and handed to him without even getting in the ring, so get off your high horse buddy
Stop fucking lying or learn more boxing. Sebastian Zbik was the WBC champion when Chavez beat him. In the ring. He wasn't handed shit. He won it in the ring. Did the title really belong to Sergio Martinez? It probably did. But him being stripped made Zbik the champion. Not Chavez. Chavez had to beat Zbik to become champion.
whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy, the fact that you say "It PROBABLY did" goes on to show how biased and how much of a nutthugger you are lol there's a reason Jr was given the oh so prestigious "Silver title" lol
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
at least he picked it up in the ring, unlike Chavez who you just mentioned who had it literally stolen from Martinez and handed to him without even getting in the ring, so get off your high horse buddy
Stop fucking lying or learn more boxing. Sebastian Zbik was the WBC champion when Chavez beat him. In the ring. He wasn't handed shit. He won it in the ring. Did the title really belong to Sergio Martinez? It probably did. But him being stripped made Zbik the champion. Not Chavez. Chavez had to beat Zbik to become champion.
whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy, the fact that you say "It PROBABLY did" goes on to show how biased and how much of a nutthugger you are lol there's a reason Jr was given the oh so prestigious "Silver title" lol
Don't back track from your lies. Silver title or not he still had to beat Zbik to be champion. Zbik wasn't great. But he was a solid, career middleweight who was 29 years old and in his prime. Not some teenager who had to move up 2 weight classes
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
at least he picked it up in the ring, unlike Chavez who you just mentioned who had it literally stolen from Martinez and handed to him without even getting in the ring, so get off your high horse buddy
Stop fucking lying or learn more boxing. Sebastian Zbik was the WBC champion when Chavez beat him. In the ring. He wasn't handed shit. He won it in the ring. Did the title really belong to Sergio Martinez? It probably did. But him being stripped made Zbik the champion. Not Chavez. Chavez had to beat Zbik to become champion.
whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy, the fact that you say "It PROBABLY did" goes on to show how biased and how much of a nutthugger you are lol there's a reason Jr was given the oh so prestigious "Silver title" lol
Don't back track from your lies. Silver title or not he still had to beat Zbik to be champion.
Zbik wasn't great. But he was a solid, career middleweight who was 29 years old and in his prime. Not some teenager who had to move up 2 weight classes
and the fact that Chavez Jr was given a gift MD in that fight says it all, Sonsona moved up in weight because he couldn't make weight in his previous fight giving up his title on the scales that he won against Carita Lopez but of course you forget to mention that detail ;), talk about making up "facts", the FACT is that Martinez was stripped of his WBC title for no reason other than to set it up that he would have to face a guy with no real name before Jr on his record, and Chavez Jr couldn't even blow the guy out of the water or even clearly win the fight, but of course you're gonna hash out your weak fake insults and make a playbook of excuses for Jr
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Scott22
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Vazquez has fought 2 name fighters. And he lost to both. And if you can score without bias he lost this fight too. I find it hilarious how the fools sucking Vazquez dick are always talking about Chavez weight advantage over fighters at same time ignoring the fact that Vazquez best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who was forced to jump up not one but two weight classes. But lets just ignore that and keep bobbing away
Let's look at how this thread started, shall we?
It was started to mention a pretty good fight between Vazquez Jr. and Avila. Props were given to BOTH FIGHTERS..... REGARDLESS OF AVILA BEING MEXICAN AND VAZQUEZ JR. BEING PUERTO RICAN.
Then..... as is becoming increasingly common and tiresome..... your mentally-challenged friend Finito comes in and f*cks up the thread. Mentally-challenged because he was obviously unable to read my previous comment about Vazquez Jr. not having much of a chance against Rigondeaux.
Two innocent bystanders commented IN NORMAL, HUMAN FASHION on the fight..... but have since been scared off by the typical and tiresome degeneration of YET ANOTHER THREAD into a Mexican-Puerto Rican insult hurling spree.
Again:
THE THREAD BEGAN BY MENTIONING A GOOD FIGHT BETWEEN VAZQUEZ JR. AND AVILA.... AND GIVING PROPS TO BOTH FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
CAN THESE THREADS BE RESPECTED WITHOUT YOU OR FINITO JUMPING IN AND TALKING ABOUT "DICK-SUCKING" (your favorite subject) OR "RAPE"?!?!?
:vd:
I'm outta here.
Im in full agreement with you. To many threads regarding Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters are getting ruined by posters insulting one another. I noticed that happens a lot when the thread topic changes. As you said the thread was off to a good start. That started changing after the 8th post when Chavez Jr (who has nothing to do with the subject being discussed) was brought up and attacked. The thread went off course after that. And it's usually that reason why threads start to disinergate. Im a white boy from San Diego. I take no side. Thats just my opinion after several years of reading this forum.
I mentioned Chavez Jr, not because he's Mexican, but because he's the son of a former world champion just the same as Vazquez Jr, difference between the two, Vazquez Jr made a name for himself by taking on tough competition from the get go while the other was spoon fed weak opposition and lived off the name of his father, and only mentioned this after Finito made Vazquez out to be a "fringe contender" and trying to make Chavez sound like the second coming of his father
Vazquez wouldn't have a chance against Rigo, but the guy has overachieved given with what he started with, no amateur experience and started boxing in his 20's, going directly into a pro career, he's picked up a world title, and being competitive against good opposition
The world title he picked up was a vacant one he got by beating a 19 year old kid who had moved up 2 weight classes. If that was Chavez or Alvarez you would of discredit and ridiculed the victory non-stopped. They would of got no credit for it. But since it's Vazquez instead you suck his dick non-stop and give him all the credit in the world.
at least he picked it up in the ring, unlike Chavez who you just mentioned who had it literally stolen from Martinez and handed to him without even getting in the ring, so get off your high horse buddy
Stop fucking lying or learn more boxing. Sebastian Zbik was the WBC champion when Chavez beat him. In the ring. He wasn't handed shit. He won it in the ring. Did the title really belong to Sergio Martinez? It probably did. But him being stripped made Zbik the champion. Not Chavez. Chavez had to beat Zbik to become champion.
whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy, the fact that you say "It PROBABLY did" goes on to show how biased and how much of a nutthugger you are lol there's a reason Jr was given the oh so prestigious "Silver title" lol
Don't back track from your lies. Silver title or not he still had to beat Zbik to be champion.
Zbik wasn't great. But he was a solid, career middleweight who was 29 years old and in his prime. Not some teenager who had to move up 2 weight classes
and the fact that Chavez Jr was given a gift MD in that fight says it all, Sonsona moved up in weight because he couldn't make weight in his previous fight giving up his title on the scales that he won against Carita Lopez but of course you forget to mention that detail ;), talk about making up "facts", the FACT is that Martinez was stripped of his WBC title for no reason other than to set it up that he would have to face a guy with no real name before Jr on his record, and Chavez Jr couldn't even blow the guy out of the water or even clearly win the fight, but of course you're gonna hash out your weak fake insults and make a playbook of excuses for Jr
If you scored that a MD than you fucking score. And Sonsona didn't move up 1 weight class. He moved up 2. And some how he was worthy of a title fight. But the funny part isn't Sonsona "earning" his shot. It's not even the fight itself. Vazquez-Sonsona only happened cuz Juanma Lopez gave up the title to move up. And he moved up cuz Wilfredo Vazquez refused to fight him. Like a pussy straight out ducked him. Now that Lopez was ruined by Salido and massacred in his last fight by Garcia, Vazquez all of a sudden wants to fight him. Fucking hilarious.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Not only did Sonsona jump up two weight divisions but he was in the worst condition of his career for that fight. Everything that happened leading up to the fight I payed very close attention to and Sonsona was half assing it in training. He was already big headed at the time and did nothing but fuck hookers and drink beers in the philpines. He is known for his notorious partying and he jumped up two divisions by eating his ass off and drinking...not by training properly..
Since that loss to vazquez, he has only fought three times which proves my point.
I give vazquez credit for taking that fight seriously but that victory over sonsona doesnt mean much given the circumstances.
-
Re: Vazquez Jr. beats previously unbeaten Guillermo Avila (good fight)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
Not only did Sonsona jump up two weight divisions but he was in the worst condition of his career for that fight. Everything that happened leading up to the fight I payed very close attention to and Sonsona was half assing it in training. He was already big headed at the time and did nothing but fuck hookers and drink beers in the philpines. He is known for his notorious partying and he jumped up two divisions by eating his ass off and drinking...not by training properly..
Since that loss to vazquez, he has only fought three times which proves my point.
I give vazquez credit for taking that fight seriously but that victory over sonsona doesnt mean much given the circumstances.
hahaha you and VD are pathetic, apparently you should have a paycheck coming in from all these fighters because you find a way to "be there" for every fight mentioned haha Margacheato is your bff (that's why you cry so damn much that Cotto retired the piece of shit), you and Valero were homies,
and now you and Sonsona were boys hahaha
I see that VD let you borrow his usb of excuses cause that's the weakest list of bullshit going in, and VD I never said Marvin Sonsona moved up one weight division, as for the Zbik fight, that's not what I scored you retarded fuck, that's what the judges scored it, I had it a clear win for Zbik, he landed the better punches but well Jr had his precious Silver strap, Sulaiman, and well the judges in his pocket, the fact that the bitch still struggles against middleweights while outweighing them by a good 20 lbs shows how pathetic he is, but it's pointless to even state any of this seeing how you have a solid chubby for the guy and his little buddies that the jizz in your eyes prevents you from looking at it without having your usual double standards
