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Why Boxing has to be respected
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
Get real here vera didn't make a case for winning, he clearly won, you and the three judges might be the only ones that disagree, as for pitter patter punches chavez face sure didn't look like it was hit by pitter patter punches, and why complain to the ref over and over if ya gettin hit by air, don't be a pactard on this one.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
This thread may as well read "why you can't be respected". Chavez jr only landed a handful of punches per round even in his best few, and Vera was not throwing patty cake anything. He was very undersized and didn't have the power to hurt Jr, but aside from being off balance he was never hugely affected by anything he took either. Since when is a consistent jab not a big factor in scoring a fight like that? If Jr was Puerto Rican you would be more outraged than anyone. And for the record, I think you know a lot about the sport. You are just such a blind twit when there is a nationalistic angle or a chance to wind up others that it goes right out the window.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
Get real here vera didn't make a case for winning, he clearly won, you and the three judges might be the only ones that disagree, as for pitter patter punches chavez face sure didn't look like it was hit by pitter patter punches, and
why complain to the ref over and over if ya gettin hit by air, don't be a pactard on this one.
Because shit wasn't going his way and was looking for help. Shit was pretty fucking obvious. It's what happens when you disrespect boxing
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I agree the scores were ridiculous. I had Vera winning the fight not because of patty cake jabs but because he simply outlanded him and also landed more power shots than Chavez. Watched the fight with some Jr fans and they all agreed that Vera won.
Like you said Chavez should have blown vera away and that makes it even more shameful that he lost. After coming in that heavy against a natural middleweight.
He look slower than usual I don't know if he was weight drained (lol) or what but he looked bad and he lost that fight IMO. I think Chavez is done.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
Get real here vera didn't make a case for winning, he clearly won, you and the three judges might be the only ones that disagree, as for pitter patter punches chavez face sure didn't look like it was hit by pitter patter punches, and
why complain to the ref over and over if ya gettin hit by air, don't be a pactard on this one.
Because shit wasn't going his way and was looking for help. Shit was pretty fucking obvious. It's what happens when you disrespect boxing
but clearly he was getting hit by patty cake punches man so they shouldn't have had any effect, or is it that perhaps vera's shots weren't patty cake???
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
This thread may as well read "why you can't be respected". Chavez jr only landed a handful of punches per round even in his best few, and Vera was not throwing patty cake anything. He was very undersized and didn't have the power to hurt Jr, but aside from being off balance he was never hugely affected by anything he took either. Since when is a consistent jab not a big factor in scoring a fight like that? If Jr was Puerto Rican you would be more outraged than anyone. And for the record, I think you know a lot about the sport. You are just such a blind twit
when there is a nationalistic angle or a chance to wind up others that it goes right out the window.
:vd: Because Vera is Japanese right? He's fucking Mexican as well. Don't agree with what I say. That's fine. But lets not get stupid.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
You are correct. Boxing must be respected.
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This thread is disrespecting boxing. Quit being a sore loser and grasping for straws VD. Your fighter lost. It happens.
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This thread is disrespecting boxing. Quit being a sore loser and grasping for straws VD. Your fighter lost. It happens.
Thread went over your head
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
This thread may as well read "why you can't be respected". Chavez jr only landed a handful of punches per round even in his best few, and Vera was not throwing patty cake anything. He was very undersized and didn't have the power to hurt Jr, but aside from being off balance he was never hugely affected by anything he took either. Since when is a consistent jab not a big factor in scoring a fight like that? If Jr was Puerto Rican you would be more outraged than anyone. And for the record, I think you know a lot about the sport. You are just such a blind twit
when there is a nationalistic angle or a chance to wind up others that it goes right out the window.
:vd: Because Vera is Japanese right? He's fucking Mexican as well. Don't agree with what I say. That's fine. But lets not get stupid.
I did say OR a chance to wind up other posters:rolleyes: Obviously you've invested a fair bit in your support of Jr as well over the last couple of years. But hey, only respond to that one half a sentence, that's fine to.
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I think you are trying to soften the result somewhat. Almost nobody sees the fight as a particularly close one and Chavez just didn't throw anything in the majority of the rounds. I think it was the 7th when Chavez finally landed something in the last 3 seconds, but you cannot say 'Ooh, that was a hard shot, so I will ignore the 20 landed shots by the other guy who worked for almost the full 3 minutes'. Chavez landed meaningful punches very, very sporadically, maybe 2 a round on average, meanwhile Vera was working and getting his punches through.
Also, we can talk about Chavez being out of condition, but he has called out a FNF fighter two weight classes out of his normal weight. Chavez might have had to lose some weight, but it wasn't as though he drained himself like Toney against Jones Jr, it isn't as though he was forcing himself to fight at 160. Chavez was much bigger than Vera, who is the one that should be commended for going outside his comfort zone. Chavez has had everything set up on his plate and still he fucked up. He is a disgrace yet again after his previous PPV ripoffs, cheating, dodgy drug tests etc. And here he is on HBO getting a pass in an absolute robbery.
They won't put him in with anyone good, but if there is justice he will be fighting Froch next. Chavez isn't a top boxer and it needs to be hammered home in a brutal manner.
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Why boxing has to be respected has nothing to do with this ongoing circus freak show. Claiming it has anything to do with respect would place the word collection of "boxing respect" in line with other great oxymoron's.
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Froch would bring him to big a payday for it to be considered justice. Ideally he would fight some unknown light heavyweight prospect with KO power and fuck right off:mad:
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Violent Demise
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p4pking
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
This thread may as well read "why you can't be respected". Chavez jr only landed a handful of punches per round even in his best few, and Vera was not throwing patty cake anything. He was very undersized and didn't have the power to hurt Jr, but aside from being off balance he was never hugely affected by anything he took either. Since when is a consistent jab not a big factor in scoring a fight like that? If Jr was Puerto Rican you would be more outraged than anyone. And for the record, I think you know a lot about the sport. You are just such a blind twit
when there is a nationalistic angle or a chance to wind up others that it goes right out the window.
:vd: Because Vera is Japanese right? He's fucking Mexican as well. Don't agree with what I say. That's fine. But lets not get stupid.
I did say OR a chance to wind up other posters:rolleyes: Obviously you've invested a fair bit in your support of Jr as well over the last couple of years. But hey, only respond to that one half a sentence, that's fine to.
I don't mind a difference of opinion. Especially from one who has good knowledge of the sport. Which I think you do. I read the good parts. Compare the points with mine. And respond when I feel there's a need to respond. Which could be at that moment or a couple of posts later. Stupidity I'm just gonna point out right away
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Well alright. There's a reason I prefaced the nationalist point with saying if JR was Puerto Rican you would be singing a different tune, thought that was pretty obvious and it's telling that you don't try to address that.
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Well alright. There's a reason I prefaced the nationalist point with saying if JR was Puerto Rican you would be singing a different tune, thought that was pretty obvious and it's telling that you don't try to address that.
If Chavez Jr was Puerto Rican he would of quit.
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p4pking
Well alright. There's a reason I prefaced the nationalist point with saying if JR was Puerto Rican you would be singing a different tune, thought that was pretty obvious and it's telling that you don't try to address that.
If Chavez Jr was Puerto Rican he would of quit.
Funny; but in all seriousness, if he were, and the fight had been exactly the same, you would think much differently about the outcome.
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LMAO
Empirical = observation, experience and repeatability. Just like how facts are established.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
Fuck off out of it. What happens when boxing is respected is you come in at the contracted weight and then get blasted out in a few rounds due to dehydration. Or, as happened tonight, you have every advantage going and are allowed to fight at the weight you weigh but then the judges actually score the fight the way no other fucker on the planet sees it and Chavez loses a clear decision to a journeyman. That's how you respect boxing. Until then, you know exacltly what you can do!
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p4pking
Well alright. There's a reason I prefaced the nationalist point with saying if JR was Puerto Rican you would be singing a different tune, thought that was pretty obvious and it's telling that you don't try to address that.
If Chavez Jr was Puerto Rican he would of quit.
LMFAO, I'm sorry but that was hilarious. ;D
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
Fuck off out of it.
What happens when boxing is respected is you come in at the contracted weight and then get blasted out in a few rounds due to dehydration. Or, as happened tonight, you have every advantage going and are allowed to fight at the weight you weigh but then the judges actually score the fight the way no other fucker on the planet sees it and Chavez loses a clear decision to a journeyman. That's how you respect boxing. Until then, you know exacltly what you can do!
No shit. That's the point of the whole fucking thread
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p4pking
Well alright. There's a reason I prefaced the nationalist point with saying if JR was Puerto Rican you would be singing a different tune, thought that was pretty obvious and it's telling that you don't try to address that.
If Chavez Jr was Puerto Rican he would of quit.
LOL. That's just wrong.
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;)Hey VD are you saying Puerto Rican's always quit ? is that a fact . ;)
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Chavez jr is being treated too harshly, in my gods honest opinion. He didn't train for this fight and yet still took a UD. 96-94 x 3 is understandable, which means a UD is fair. Even though I'm yet to see the fight I also felt the ref gave him a raw deal on some of those calls.
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p4pking
Well alright. There's a reason I prefaced the nationalist point with saying if JR was Puerto Rican you would be singing a different tune, thought that was pretty obvious and it's telling that you don't try to address that.
If Chavez Jr was Puerto Rican he would of quit.
If Chavez Jr was Puerto Rican he would have made weight the first time around, he wouldn't have age, experience, and weight on his side and still get his ass kicked......wait a sec, didn't that same scenario happen a couple weeks ago?!? :-X
and VD and Jr keeping true to tradition and making excuses to why the coddled one got his ass beat by the guy who was on The Pretender lol Chavez should be 1-3 against former cast members of The Contender hahaha,
and now I'll leave you hilarious post fight quotes from Jr lol
"I definitely won seven or eight rounds of the fight," Chavez said. "I was very close to knocking him out like three times in the fight."
"He hit me with like 20 headbutts and low blows" "He was finished in the 10th"
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
I respect this post. It shows honesty and what we as fight fans expect from well trained atheletes. We pay our money and we deserve the best performance. The empty seats last night showed how no one cared about Chavez Jr. at that point and didn't want to give him a dime for his disrespectful behaviour as a fighter.
But (and I said this on another post about this): Chavez Jr. won that fight EASILY. It was clear Chavez didn't want to hurt Vera last night- and he could have if he stepped on the gas and really put the steam on his punches, doubled up with them and went to the body and head like he has been prone to do.
Chavez Jr. may have felt guilty due to his weight issues, knowing he was probably 10 pounds over the agreed limit- could have been a heavyweight last night and he looked like a Cruiserweight, at least.
When Chavez hit Vera with, "seemingly", mundane punches that were thrown in a whimsical fashion (as if to say: "Hey, let me throw a shot in there!"), Vera got rocked back like he was hit with a bag full of bowling balls. Plus, Chavez Jr. was hitting him more cleanly through the entire match. Also, Chavez Jr. was moving more fluidly and controlling the ring when he wanted to.
Vera was game. Vera had spots brilliance. If the fight was at 160, where it was to have supposed to have been, Vera may have had the power to make Chavez Jr. consider his attacks and also Chavez Jr. may have had that extra steam off of his punches. It would have been a better, harder scrap if at 160 where Vera would have had the advantage.
Last night was clearly a display of self-control of Chavez Jr. (odd, when we say that about Chavez Jr., all things considered) and his ability to win a fight without knocking the guy's head clean off when he very well could have. Chavez Jr. boxed better than I anticipated... he learned alot from that Martinez fight.
If Chavez Jr. had knocked his block off within 2-3 rounds, like how Arturo Gatti used to take advantage of weight gain and nearly kill his much smaller opponents within 3 rounds, we would have been talking even WORSE about his professionalism, or lack thereof, and also about boxing's bad reputation for an unregulated bloodsport where anything goes.
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I don't think there's a need to add anything to this thread. @Violent Demise , you have finally shown yourself to be (for the millionth time), the blind, nationalistic, moronic poster you've always been. Like I've always said, you defend the indefensible... right there for all to see.
Ahhh.... it's like going to the forest to chop down a sickly pine, only to find out the damn thing has developed tree rot and has fallen down on its own.
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BTW, the first ones who should respect boxing are the boxers themselves.... you clueless dumbass.
You just finished burying yourself with this idiotic thread, illiterate moron.
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is probably the least respectful boxer toward the sport in the history of boxing. He should continue living off his daddy's name... except maybe by opening a restaurant or something. Boxing has no place for losers and cheaters like him.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
I respect this post. It shows honesty and what we as fight fans expect from well trained atheletes. We pay our money and we deserve the best performance. The empty seats last night showed how no one cared about Chavez Jr. at that point and didn't want to give him a dime for his disrespectful behaviour as a fighter.
But (and I said this on another post about this): Chavez Jr. won that fight EASILY. It was clear Chavez didn't want to hurt Vera last night- and he could have if he stepped on the gas and really put the steam on his punches, doubled up with them and went to the body and head like he has been prone to do.
Chavez Jr. may have felt guilty due to his weight issues, knowing he was probably 10 pounds over the agreed limit- could have been a heavyweight last night and he looked like a Cruiserweight, at least.
When Chavez hit Vera with, "seemingly", mundane punches that were thrown in a whimsical fashion (as if to say: "Hey, let me throw a shot in there!"), Vera got rocked back like he was hit with a bag full of bowling balls. Plus, Chavez Jr. was hitting him more cleanly through the entire match. Also, Chavez Jr. was moving more fluidly and controlling the ring when he wanted to.
Vera was game. Vera had spots brilliance. If the fight was at 160, where it was to have supposed to have been, Vera may have had the power to make Chavez Jr. consider his attacks and also Chavez Jr. may have had that extra steam off of his punches. It would have been a better, harder scrap if at 160 where Vera would have had the advantage.
Last night was clearly a display of self-control of Chavez Jr. (odd, when we say that about Chavez Jr., all things considered) and his ability to win a fight without knocking the guy's head clean off when he very well could have. Chavez Jr. boxed better than I anticipated... he learned alot from that Martinez fight.
If Chavez Jr. had knocked his block off within 2-3 rounds, like how Arturo Gatti used to take advantage of weight gain and nearly kill his much smaller opponents within 3 rounds, we would have been talking even WORSE about his professionalism, or lack thereof, and also about boxing's bad reputation for an unregulated bloodsport where anything goes.
Was Chavez pretending to be exhausted to go easy on Vera.
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Violent Demise
The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
I respect this post. It shows honesty and what we as fight fans expect from well trained atheletes. We pay our money and we deserve the best performance. The empty seats last night showed how no one cared about Chavez Jr. at that point and didn't want to give him a dime for his disrespectful behaviour as a fighter.
But (and I said this on another post about this): Chavez Jr. won that fight EASILY. It was clear Chavez didn't want to hurt Vera last night- and he could have if he stepped on the gas and really put the steam on his punches, doubled up with them and went to the body and head like he has been prone to do.
Chavez Jr. may have felt guilty due to his weight issues, knowing he was probably 10 pounds over the agreed limit- could have been a heavyweight last night and he looked like a Cruiserweight, at least.
When Chavez hit Vera with, "seemingly", mundane punches that were thrown in a whimsical fashion (as if to say: "Hey, let me throw a shot in there!"), Vera got rocked back like he was hit with a bag full of bowling balls. Plus, Chavez Jr. was hitting him more cleanly through the entire match. Also, Chavez Jr. was moving more fluidly and controlling the ring when he wanted to.
Vera was game. Vera had spots brilliance. If the fight was at 160, where it was to have supposed to have been, Vera may have had the power to make Chavez Jr. consider his attacks and also Chavez Jr. may have had that extra steam off of his punches. It would have been a better, harder scrap if at 160 where Vera would have had the advantage.
Last night was clearly a display of self-control of Chavez Jr. (odd, when we say that about Chavez Jr., all things considered) and his ability to win a fight without knocking the guy's head clean off when he very well could have. Chavez Jr. boxed better than I anticipated... he learned alot from that Martinez fight.
If Chavez Jr. had knocked his block off within 2-3 rounds, like how Arturo Gatti used to take advantage of weight gain and nearly kill his much smaller opponents within 3 rounds, we would have been talking even WORSE about his professionalism, or lack thereof, and also about boxing's bad reputation for an unregulated bloodsport where anything goes.
Was Chavez pretending to be exhausted to go easy on Vera.
LOL..... No. He was taking a page out of Canelo's playbook (according to VD), and decided not to KO Vera out of respect.
This muthafukka seems to have a PhD in excuses.
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Re: Why Boxing has to be respected
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The 98-92 scorecard was ridiculous. Actually so was the 97-93 card. 96-94 was fine. If you prefer a lot of jabs and patty cake punches than Vera won. If you prefer harder, cleaner punches than how can anybody make a case for Vera winning? Either way, I wish they would of gave Vera the win. Not necessarily cuz he earned it. But for respecting boxing. He kept himself in shape. Didn't complain. And went out there and just fought. Chavez needed a reality check. He thought he could get by on talent alone and didn't bother training. He disrespected boxing. Boxing doesn't take disrespect from any fighter. No matter what name he carries. Chavez should of blown Vera away. He didn't. It's an embarrassment that Vera can even make a case for winning. Boxing showed Chavez it will humble him if it has to. Chavez will be in shape for his next fight.
I respect this post. It shows honesty and what we as fight fans expect from well trained atheletes. We pay our money and we deserve the best performance. The empty seats last night showed how no one cared about Chavez Jr. at that point and didn't want to give him a dime for his disrespectful behaviour as a fighter.
But (and I said this on another post about this): Chavez Jr. won that fight EASILY. It was clear Chavez didn't want to hurt Vera last night- and he could have if he stepped on the gas and really put the steam on his punches, doubled up with them and went to the body and head like he has been prone to do.
Chavez Jr. may have felt guilty due to his weight issues, knowing he was probably 10 pounds over the agreed limit- could have been a heavyweight last night and he looked like a Cruiserweight, at least.
When Chavez hit Vera with, "seemingly", mundane punches that were thrown in a whimsical fashion (as if to say: "Hey, let me throw a shot in there!"), Vera got rocked back like he was hit with a bag full of bowling balls. Plus, Chavez Jr. was hitting him more cleanly through the entire match. Also, Chavez Jr. was moving more fluidly and controlling the ring when he wanted to.
Vera was game. Vera had spots brilliance. If the fight was at 160, where it was to have supposed to have been, Vera may have had the power to make Chavez Jr. consider his attacks and also Chavez Jr. may have had that extra steam off of his punches. It would have been a better, harder scrap if at 160 where Vera would have had the advantage.
Last night was clearly a display of self-control of Chavez Jr. (odd, when we say that about Chavez Jr., all things considered) and his ability to win a fight without knocking the guy's head clean off when he very well could have. Chavez Jr. boxed better than I anticipated... he learned alot from that Martinez fight.
If Chavez Jr. had knocked his block off within 2-3 rounds, like how Arturo Gatti used to take advantage of weight gain and nearly kill his much smaller opponents within 3 rounds, we would have been talking even WORSE about his professionalism, or lack thereof, and also about boxing's bad reputation for an unregulated bloodsport where anything goes.
Was Chavez pretending to be exhausted to go easy on Vera.
lol that must be it, same as Pacquiao just pretended to get KTFO to make up for the 3 robberies against Marquez hahahaha
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Boxing doesn't respect itself from the inside out and fat spoiled twats like Jr don't respect guys like Vera who bust their ass daily...shit, he doesn't even respect himself! They just like corrupt or inept officials are not held accountable. I'm not too worried about a guy respecting the sport, I just want crooked carnival barkers like Arum and couch potato Cap'n Crunch scarfing slobs impersonating professionals like Baby Huey jr to follow the damn rules and meet contractual obligations!
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You guys don't know shit about boxing. Chavez had that 10 rounder won from round 7 and 8, handily. Why fight for the rest of the way looking for a ko when you had it won... and as you said, he was exhausted and he still was beating Vera and getting out of the way enough.
A well traiend Chavez would have ko'd Vera within 5 or 6. Mayve even sooner.
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A well traiend Chavez would have ko'd Vera within 5 or 6.
The title of the thread is "Why Boxing has to be respected."
Care to venture a reason as to why Junior wasn't well-trained?
Take your time.
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A well traiend Chavez would have ko'd Vera within 5 or 6.
The title of the thread is
"Why Boxing has to be respected."
Care to venture a reason as to
why Junior wasn't well-trained?
Take your time.
I know the title of the thread, and what it suggests and/or speaks to. He didn't respect the fight game, I agree with that. But he also won clearly, as I stated...
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You guys don't know shit about boxing. Chavez had that 10 rounder won from round 7 and 8, handily. Why fight for the rest of the way looking for a ko when you had it won... and as you said, he was exhausted and he still was beating Vera and getting out of the way enough.
A well traiend Chavez would have ko'd Vera within 5 or 6. Mayve even sooner.
Are you being serious or are you trying to stir things up
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Boxing is like a jealous, psychotic woman...If you don't give your full attention to the relationship, if you think you can divide your attention, she'll kill you. That is why you have to respect boxing.
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I haven't seen the fight but I've heard the opinion of people who I respect and usually agree with saying they thought Vera beat him convincingly.
It's just a sad fact in boxing that there is no consistency when it comes to the scoring of a fight, and unless you stop a guy there's no telling who is going to win when the scorecards are handed out.
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ykdadamaja
You guys don't know shit about boxing. Chavez had that 10 rounder won from round 7 and 8, handily. Why fight for the rest of the way looking for a ko when you had it won... and as you said, he was exhausted and he still was beating Vera and getting out of the way enough.
A well traiend Chavez would have ko'd Vera within 5 or 6. Mayve even sooner.
Thats just ass backwards and its Jrs problem the entire time and the root of his problems...assuming that all he has to do is show up and can slack off. That and bong hits and having nothing but yes men around him.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda.....didn't.
Unless its sarcasm, in which case brilliant :D
