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Pickum fight at 147. 50/50 Two peas in a pod.
Vargas was too big and too good at 154. He's a natural 154 while Cotto is a small welter. He's only 5'7.
I'd say Cotto stops him late or wins it on points. He's a better fighter than Vargas ever was IMO.
Sensible answer..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Those are the exact reasons why I think he would destroy Cotto and he would do it alot quicker than Margarito did..
Yeah I think Vargas' size would be the deciding factor. He was a natural 154lber while Cotto had his best days at 140/147
Cotto would knock him out late and then Vargas would test positive for steroids and get a 9 month suspension
Cotto quits on his knees around the 6th round. His dick sucking groupies blame the trainer.
I'd take Cotto by UD or late stoppage, Vargas just wasn't a smart fighter and while he'd push Cotto he wouldn't be able to outbox him, his hands were slower than Miguel's, he was more deliberate with his punches. I think Cotto schools him, remember how he connected vs Margarito and Vargas simply never had that chin.
don't be mad that he was able to destroy a Journeyman without the help of the judges lol unlike your silverspoon hero, and really VD? you of all people are gonna talk about anyone making excuses? maybe Vargas will lose cause he had ringing in his ears hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It really is a great matchup style-wise. Who wouldn't want to watch those two brawl?
Cotto-Tszyu @140
Cotto-Williams @147-154
Cotto-JMM @140-147
Vargas-Williams
Vargas-Kirkland
Vargas-Mayweather Jr.
Vargas-Margarito
Those guys match well vs anyone. Who you got in those matches
Cotto-Tszyu @140 - Tszyu who beat Judah would have beaten Cotto, at his best at this weight he wasn't as poised and when he finally started reaching his prime he already was having trouble making 140, so Tszyu would have taken the W
Cotto-Williams @147-154 - Williams was never really a big puncher and he was a bit one dimensional, any fighter who would use his legs in there and had a good jab and right hand gave him trouble, if Quintana was able to outbox him at 147 Cotto would have done so even easier, especially with the body work, at 154 well depends when, the Williams that lost to Martinez and Lara would be beaten by Cotto, the one with the high punch output at 160 would have made it a 50/50 fight
Cotto-JMM @140-147 - would be a lot more technical than most think, Marquez would probably take a close UD at 140, Cotto would overwhelm him with bodywork and accurate counter punching at 147, too big, too strong
Vargas-Williams - Vargas would have roughed him up and just mauled him throught the fight, winning by UD or late stoppage
Vargas-Kirkland - Vargas would KO him in the mid rounds barring a "lucky" punch
Vargas-Mayweather Jr. - same as every other opponent, Vargas would try to outbox him while getting his ass handed to him throughout 12 rounds
Vargas-Margarito - the cheating fuck didn't ever amount to anything at 154, unless he had his lucky plaster wraps on hand he'd get his ass beat similar to how he did against Mosley, Pacquiao, and the man who retired him, Cotto lol
I'll take Vargas of 02', Both guys could be sucked into dumb exchanges but Vargas wasn't always a free swinging without boxing skill. He outjabbed one of the better jabs in the game with Ike and I'm not so sure his hands were slower than Cottos. Straight line beats a squared hook and eventually Cottoe goes square.
Maybe this is a mismatch that I shouldnt even have made a thread about.
Come to think of it, it's man vs 5"7 midget with short arms,something u might see on spike channel..
Vargas was too big and too skilled for cotto.. in pro boxing, great big man always beats the good little man.
I would honestly be shocked if cotto made it to 6.. he usually puts on his track shoes when shit gets heated so if starts running backwards, he might see the 6th..Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
agreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Are we talking todays Cotto and at the same time saying Vargas was crap leading into the Oscar fight? If it goes further back prior to both taking thrashings in hypothetical I think Vargas gets him even more.
Personally I couldn't stand Vargas. I just hated his attiude and demeanor. But that doesn't mean he was a bad fighter. Because he was not. He also wasn't just a face first brawler. He could box. As much as it pains me to say, I think he breaks Cotto down and stops him.
:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
Vargas would destroy him in a very bad way at light middle, but Cotto's best weight was at 140lb.
For once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
Nah I think he was best at 147. At 140 he was weight drainedQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
when the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
:vd: Journeyman > bumQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhen the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
I never built Rodriguez to be a great win for Cotto, so get your little Mexican flag vibrator out of your ass and stop being such a little girl, I said it from the get go that Rodriguez isn't a great fighter, or anything of the sort, it was you and your little girlfriend that were trying to imply that Cotto was going to struggle against him, just cause your man crush Jr couldn't beat a journeyman hahaha, get the hell out of here with your whiney shit,so damn predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Journeyman > bumQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhen the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
Back peddle all you want stupid. It's clear as fucking day. A journeyman fighter destroys a bum. You label Rodriguez a journeyman cuz you lust for Cotto and wanna make his win bigger than it is. You label Rivera a bum (which he was not) to downgrade Vargas win over him. What now? You gonna deny calling them that? For once in that pathetic existence you call a life be real and admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI never built Rodriguez to be a great win for Cotto, so get your little Mexican flag vibrator out of your ass and stop being such a little girl, I said it from the get go that Rodriguez isn't a great fighter, or anything of the sort, it was you and your little girlfriend that were trying to imply that Cotto was going to struggle against him, just cause your man crush Jr couldn't beat a journeyman hahaha, get the hell out of here with your whiney shit,so damn predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Journeyman > bumQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhen the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
hahaha do you ever listen to your retarded self? you're the one who's trying to act like you didn't try to build up Vera whose never fought for a world title to be some good fighter in justifying how bad Chavez Jr sucks lol for once ditch your sad little double standards and just tuck ass and shut the fuck up VD haha, you're a sad little miserable clown, Vargas' win over Rivera meant NOTHING, it wasn't a good win at all, much less when he got dropped like a sack of shit, Cotto's win over Rodriguez means nothing, I have never stated that it was a good win or it meant shit, you and your little girlfriend are the ones who were trying to claim that it was in doubt that he was going to win, and that he was going to struggle against someone at that level but you're just going to hash and repeat your usual drivel like the sad little troll you are :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBack peddle all you want stupid. It's clear as fucking day. A journeyman fighter destroys a bum. You label Rodriguez a journeyman cuz you lust for Cotto and wanna make his win bigger than it is. You label Rivera a bum (which he was not) to downgrade Vargas win over him. What now? You gonna deny calling them that? For once in that pathetic existence you call a life be real and admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI never built Rodriguez to be a great win for Cotto, so get your little Mexican flag vibrator out of your ass and stop being such a little girl, I said it from the get go that Rodriguez isn't a great fighter, or anything of the sort, it was you and your little girlfriend that were trying to imply that Cotto was going to struggle against him, just cause your man crush Jr couldn't beat a journeyman hahaha, get the hell out of here with your whiney shit,so damn predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Journeyman > bumQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhen the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
Journeyman > bum. It's that simple. But keep back peddling. It's amusing how much shit you bring up to try and cover up your moronic statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshahaha do you ever listen to your retarded self? you're the one who's trying to act like you didn't try to build up Vera whose never fought for a world title to be some good fighter in justifying how bad Chavez Jr sucks lol for once ditch your sad little double standards and just tuck ass and shut the fuck up VD haha, you're a sad little miserable clown, Vargas' win over Rivera meant NOTHING, it wasn't a good win at all, much less when he got dropped like a sack of shit, Cotto's win over Rodriguez means nothing, I have never stated that it was a good win or it meant shit, you and your little girlfriend are the ones who were trying to claim that it was in doubt that he was going to win, and that he was going to struggle against someone at that level but you're just going to hash and repeat your usual drivel like the sad little troll you are :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBack peddle all you want stupid. It's clear as fucking day. A journeyman fighter destroys a bum. You label Rodriguez a journeyman cuz you lust for Cotto and wanna make his win bigger than it is. You label Rivera a bum (which he was not) to downgrade Vargas win over him. What now? You gonna deny calling them that? For once in that pathetic existence you call a life be real and admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI never built Rodriguez to be a great win for Cotto, so get your little Mexican flag vibrator out of your ass and stop being such a little girl, I said it from the get go that Rodriguez isn't a great fighter, or anything of the sort, it was you and your little girlfriend that were trying to imply that Cotto was going to struggle against him, just cause your man crush Jr couldn't beat a journeyman hahaha, get the hell out of here with your whiney shit,so damn predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Journeyman > bumQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhen the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
If that's a fact well must be your idiocy spreading like a Vile Disease, you see what I did there?! ;) you're a friggin joke buddy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJourneyman > bum. It's that simple. But keep back peddling. It's amusing how much shit you bring up to try and cover up your moronic statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshahaha do you ever listen to your retarded self? you're the one who's trying to act like you didn't try to build up Vera whose never fought for a world title to be some good fighter in justifying how bad Chavez Jr sucks lol for once ditch your sad little double standards and just tuck ass and shut the fuck up VD haha, you're a sad little miserable clown, Vargas' win over Rivera meant NOTHING, it wasn't a good win at all, much less when he got dropped like a sack of shit, Cotto's win over Rodriguez means nothing, I have never stated that it was a good win or it meant shit, you and your little girlfriend are the ones who were trying to claim that it was in doubt that he was going to win, and that he was going to struggle against someone at that level but you're just going to hash and repeat your usual drivel like the sad little troll you are :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBack peddle all you want stupid. It's clear as fucking day. A journeyman fighter destroys a bum. You label Rodriguez a journeyman cuz you lust for Cotto and wanna make his win bigger than it is. You label Rivera a bum (which he was not) to downgrade Vargas win over him. What now? You gonna deny calling them that? For once in that pathetic existence you call a life be real and admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI never built Rodriguez to be a great win for Cotto, so get your little Mexican flag vibrator out of your ass and stop being such a little girl, I said it from the get go that Rodriguez isn't a great fighter, or anything of the sort, it was you and your little girlfriend that were trying to imply that Cotto was going to struggle against him, just cause your man crush Jr couldn't beat a journeyman hahaha, get the hell out of here with your whiney shit,so damn predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Journeyman > bumQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhen the hell did I say Rodriguez was better than Rivera you sad little turd? you're accusing me of doing exactly what your sad little ass did with Rodriguez and Vera lol get the fuck out of here with your sad shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFor once in your pathetic life be real. Wilfredo Rivera was a way better fighter than Delvin Rodriguez. Anybody with half a brain knows that. You lust for Cotto that you call Rodriguez a good journeyman to elevate his win over him. And you call Wilfredo Rivera a bum to downgrade Vargas win over him. It's just to easy to see through your punk assQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales5 yrs prior and at a weight where Whitaker was well pretty much crap, the only good showing Whitaker had at 147 was when he beat De La Hoya, coincidentally DLH and Mosley had both beat the shit out of him without being dropped like Vargas wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Bums don't beat Pernell Whitaker twice. I know now that your Filipino, you're no longer overrating Puerto Rican fighters. Which is good. But try watching the fighter first before labeling him. It boggles the mind how someone can call Delvin Rodriguez a good journeyman. And than labels Rivera a bum. Which is worse than a journeyman. Rivera would embarrass RodriguezQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesagreed, how the hell Cotto would lose to the juiced up Vargas who got his ass whooped by DLH is beyond me, juiced up on roids and in his prime and still couldn't get the job done lol dunno why you'd even pick the 02 version of Fernando haha he had looked like crap in the two fights leading up to DLH (Flores and Rivera), if a bum like Rivera was able to floor him, that's all I have to say about his chin.., but yea it's a case of Future HOF'er vs the guy who was at that point the youngest 154 lb champion in history (he isn't anymore) and didn't ever live up to the potential people put on himQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
are you seriously arguing that there is nothing special about specifically Vargas in 02? which was by no means a standout year in his career, hell pre-Trinidad Vargas would of had it a 50/50 fight against Cotto, but after Trinidad ruined him Vargas never managed to beat any top fighter of note, unless you want to count Castillejo hahaha
Can there be a thread about a Mexican or Puerto Rican fighter without this crap anymore:rolleyes:
I wish I could think of a word meaning beyond pathetic. Its actually my only knock about this forum. That this ubiquitous eternal pissing contest is tolerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Really this has very little to do with Mexico and Puerto Rico. At least for me it doesn't. A lot of people will say the best Super Bantamweight of all time is Marco Antonio Barrera. I say it's Wilfredo Gomez. There's no problem with Puerto Rico on my side. The problem is with stupidity. It bothers me. I can put up with ignorance and the less knowledgeable. But straight stupidity annoys the fuck out of me. I can not stand it. Theres 2 reasons why these particular kind of threads turn into exchanges. The first reason is the forum houses 2 of the dumbest muthafukkas whoever lived. One of them (TF) is Puerto Rican. And the other one (EM) is Filipino who until recently grew up thinking he was Puerto Rican. So they tend to favor these type of threads. The second reason is stupidity most be exposed. The stupid muthafukkas must be told he's a stupid muthafukka. His stupidity can not go unchecked or it will spread. I personally get tired of doing it. It's almost like a 2nd job exposing them. But it has to be done. I mean come. Y'all read there posts before. So you know exactly what I'm talking about. That type of stupidity should not be allowed to spread. And you can actually help stop the spread. Simply PM them 2 clowns and tell them "STOP POSTING STUPID SHIT, STUPID." Maybe it'll make an impact. But I doubt it
Vargas by TKO for me.