Seriously boys, do you see Calzaghe able to deal with this smothering pressuring style and the good chin that Benn had as well?
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Seriously boys, do you see Calzaghe able to deal with this smothering pressuring style and the good chin that Benn had as well?
problem is Brock , Benn wasn't a SMW in his prime , he was a better Middle I think , but he has a punchers chance for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Benn by homicide
Calzaghe would school him properly.. Benn was a British version of Iran Barkley
Love Benn, but Calzaghe would school him
Joe Calzaghe two out of three to win the trilogy.
Calzaghe would make it look easy from round 6 onwards.
Benn would give his ALL,! but would be out boxed and Joe would have stopped him in about
8 rounds, Benn was a fantastic fighter, but Joe was better one of the best fighters we ever
had, by the way he would have spanked Carl the COCK Froch as well simple.;)
If Sugar Boy Malinga can beat Benn TWICE (yes, he was robbed the first time), then Calzaghe schools him.
Calzaghe W12 Benn unanimously.
Joe wins due to his speed n work rate, but it's a tough fight for him. I think Prime Eubank would've been a more interesting fight. Joe was kinda chinny. Chris wasn't nearly as active, but was clever, set effective traps, n could stop a guy with one shot. Prime Toney vs Joe is interesting also but I lean towards Joe out hustling him while never hurting him.
Benn was at his very best against the G Man at supermiddle as he was experienced fighter and that version would have give Joe problems. However Cazaghe could adjust his game and that would be the difference, he was a level above Nigel but I could see the fight go to points. Both too good to be stopped by one another.
I think their fight(Benn-Barkley) might suggest he was a bit more dangerous for a while. I'd pick Calzaghe but he could've gotten caught and put away as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you cannot compare Barkley with Calzaghe skillwise, Barkley was just a slow slugger with power, but not ring thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI think their fight(Benn-Barkley) might suggest he was a bit more dangerous for a while. I'd pick Calzaghe but he could've gotten caught and put away as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
You cannot read. I was saying Benn had a chance against Calzaghe and that he was better than Barkley.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminyou cannot compare Barkley with Calzaghe skillwise, Barkley was just a slow slugger with power, but not ring thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI think their fight(Benn-Barkley) might suggest he was a bit more dangerous for a while. I'd pick Calzaghe but he could've gotten caught and put away as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
The only fighter in recent history that could have beaten Joe Calzaghe at Middle or Super Middle was Roy Jones in Jones's prime.
Roy Jones before he made Light Heavyweight was the man and always will be the man. No one compares aside form Ray Robinson, who I feel Roy would school if they ever fought in their primes.
To me at Middleweight to Super Middleweight:
1. Roy Jones
2. Ray Robinson
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Carlos Monzon
5. Joe Calzaghe
I think Benn improved no end in the early 90s, and I am sure he would of given Calzaghe plenty to think about, but in the end I believe Joe would have edged it over 12 rounds.
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
To be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
At this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
Not a chance! Come on man. Just no.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAt this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
Roy was unorthodox n unbelievably talented, but prime SRR has too many dimensions for Roy. Hagler, BHOP, Leonard most likely beat him also. I do agree that Roy beats Joe prime vs prime, most likely by knockout.
Thought 2nd close, but Benn won it. Likewise if 40 year old Hopkins, Jones and a Mitchell are dropping him with single shots I'd wager that he would be in far worse shape when Benn managed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
Joe mixed when he shouldn't and Benn was boxing better at 168. I just don't see all the schooling thought by the many.
Personally, by schooling I do not mean badly beatenQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThought 2nd close, but Benn won it. Likewise if 40 year old Hopkins, Jones and a Mitchell are dropping him with single shots I'd wager that he would be in far worse shape when Benn managed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
Joe mixed when he shouldn't and Benn was boxing better at 168. I just don't see all the schooling thought by the many.
Benn might drop Joe once, but Joe would adjust and out box him
Benn was always too one dimensional
Your face is to one dimensional!
Robinson got beat 5 times at middleweight, Roy, Marvin, Monzon and maybe B Hop would have done the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAt this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
As for Leonard at middleweight, he was not great.
You did not get my point. My point was they might have one time success, but SRR would adjust by the rematch and win any amount of fights afterwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterRobinson got beat 5 times at middleweight, Roy, Marvin, Monzon and maybe B Hop would have done the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAt this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
Please, do not add B Hop here, he does not belong to this level
I got your point but did you get mine, he was not as great a middleweight as he was welterweight and he lost to inferior fighters so could adjust and win but not against the great fighters I mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou did not get my point. My point was they might have one time success, but SRR would adjust by the rematch and win any amount of fights afterwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterRobinson got beat 5 times at middleweight, Roy, Marvin, Monzon and maybe B Hop would have done the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAt this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
Please, do not add B Hop here, he does not belong to this level
I ahve to admit I do not know the facts well, I study and comeback after a whileQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI got your point but did you get mine, he was not as great a middleweight as he was welterweight and he lost to inferior fighters so could adjust and win but not against the great fighters I mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou did not get my point. My point was they might have one time success, but SRR would adjust by the rematch and win any amount of fights afterwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterRobinson got beat 5 times at middleweight, Roy, Marvin, Monzon and maybe B Hop would have done the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAt this level of competition weight does not mean much, I have no doubt SSR would beat Roy Jones in 15 rounds in any weight, especially if you let Jones eat like SSR ate in 40-60's without any modern day steroids. There is simply no discussion here. On top of that, I think even SRL would beat Roy, because SRL was just slicker and mentally tougher, he would fool himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTo be fair SRR was a welterweight, probably the best ever so to be considered a middleweight great just shows you how great he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Jones may have won once against SRR, but there is no way SSR could not have adjusted and defeated him in ANY amount rematches afterwards
Please, do not add B Hop here, he does not belong to this level
The facts are Joe got dropped, but got up to win and regardless what people say he WAS
NEVER OUT BOXED by any one. He was a master boxer yes he could have a off night,! but
all great fighters never look great all the time.
A great fighter and Champion, beam me up Scotty I've had enough BS.:vd:
Why shouldn't Hop be mentioned alongside Monzon, Hagler...etc.?!? At this point in his career I can't see how anyone can still try n discredit his ability n accomplishments.
No power and no speed, dirty, not otherworldly ring tricks. Solid, but not specialQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Also, while Benn was a one dimensional puncher early in his career, he morphed into a complete fighter during his reign at 168. Had he not developed his defense n boxing ability he wouldn't have lasted two rounds with G-Man in their fight.
Calzaghe would have schooled him IMO.
great thread thanks dudes.
Last nail into B Hop coffin: he fought only 2 ATG and lost to both
Hop fought Roy, Joe C, Tito, Oscar, Winky, Tarver, Cloud, Taylor, Pavilik, Dawson, Glenn Johnson, Jean Pasquale and list to Roy when Hop was still green, and Taylor (disputed both times), Joe C(disputed) n Dawson when Hop was WELL past his best days. Everyone of those guys I listed above, except for Johnson at the time, were ranked p4p when Hop beat them throw in tough challengers like John Davud Jackson, Keith Holmes, Joe lipsey, William Joppy, Robert Allen, n Antwun Echols n u have an ATG resume. Record 20 successful defenses, lineal middleweight n lt heavy(x 2). No way u can discredit Hop at this point. Only fellow ATG fighters like Manny n Floyd have that class of resume.
No power?!? Semin, r u new to the sport? Prime Hop was a beast. For a while he held the record for fastest k.o. In a title fight. As he aged Hop morphed into the clever, defensively minded fighter u see today. In his prime however, he had power to spare (but was a little crude). The Hop that beat Tito would have hung even with greats of the past such as Hagler, Monzon, n Robinson. There was no area of the sport that Hop of that time wasn't great at.
That's my current opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
I can see what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThought 2nd close, but Benn won it. Likewise if 40 year old Hopkins, Jones and a Mitchell are dropping him with single shots I'd wager that he would be in far worse shape when Benn managed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
Joe mixed when he shouldn't and Benn was boxing better at 168. I just don't see all the schooling thought by the many.
I can also see Calzaghe maybe taking a count because he was sometimes not averse to getting into brawls, but Joe's adaptability was great: the way he would adapt to his opposition, sometimes midfight was phenomenal.
I still see him schooling Benn after one or two hairy moments.
Yeh I can see Calzaghe activity and volume being a problem but he would have to keep a very level head and keep Benn moving. Calzaghe had a well grounded mentality and wouldn't fold. He takes alot of flack but I didn't mind the guy but when I think of him handing out lessons and Benn being called one demensional I think of Joe spanking Lacy, who frankly was an overrated puncher as well as flat overrated. Benn, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorI can see what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThought 2nd close, but Benn won it. Likewise if 40 year old Hopkins, Jones and a Mitchell are dropping him with single shots I'd wager that he would be in far worse shape when Benn managed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
Joe mixed when he shouldn't and Benn was boxing better at 168. I just don't see all the schooling thought by the many.
I can also see Calzaghe maybe taking a count because he was sometimes not averse to getting into brawls, but Joe's adaptability was great: the way he would adapt to his opposition, sometimes midfight was phenomenal.
I still see him schooling Benn after one or two hairy moments.