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Concrete undeniable reason why the K bros. are BOGUS
Waldimir, I dislike more. He fights like a scared person, really defensively, and boring, due to his not-solid chin. He employs a lot of questionable tactics. He doesnt use his jab as a jab, he uses it as a bar, he holds it out there a few seconds to keep his opponents away from him. Well that is just a purely effective tool due to his height and reach over every other fighter. He holds more than John Ruiz, and that is saying a helluva lot. He leans on people and saps their energy. Refs have disqualified fighters for doing these things. Wladimir's carreer therefore is quite subjective, it just went on due to refs allowing this shit.
As for Vitali, I dislike him less, he has a good chin and does mix it up and brawl. But on the championship level, the tallest person he ever fought on the championship level was Lewis, and Lewis was only 6 foot 5. Vitali had 2 inches on him and he was the tallest person Vitali ever fought at that level. Shannon Briggs and Corre Sanders are 6 ft 4. but alot of people really beat on Briggs, and that is still 3 inches shorter than Vitali. Everybody else has been below that---plus he lost to 6 ft 0 inches Chris Byrd, and he fucking quit in that fight. Thomas Adamek is a little midget compared to Vitali at 6 ft and 0.5 inches.
Atleast Wlad fought Wach and Pianeta who are super tall, but Klitschkos' style is based heavily on the fact that they are taller than their opponents. They cannot strike them when he leans back as far as they can. How long does someone's reach have to be to reach a chin that is leaned back and legs that belong to a 6 ft 7 inch body that have taken a giant stride backwards with 79 inch reach arms held out straight as a bar or a blocker? You'd need a 90 inch reach to hope to hit that target. And you'd need to be atleast 6 ft 5 as well. YET MOST OF THEIR OPPONENTS WERE MIDGETS, 6 FT 1, ETC. COMPARED TO THEM. You cannot hit them and they are boring. Boxing will look back at them as creating a roadblock in boxing. Sanders beat 1 so the other has to fight the other. If you beat 1 then the boxing public will demand you fight the other. That is a roadblock. And they wont fight each other. Its a bunch of shit and we cannot wait for these assholes to retire with their questionable tactics and picking questionable opponents.
I hope we look back at this era through different eyes. 2 brothers rule the divisdion. If 1 brother was defeated, the other brother steps in and gets revenge. They wont fight each other. THEY GOT A FUCKING ROAD BLOCK SET UP HERE.
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Absolute bullshit.!
Fucking "Roadblock" lol
There is simply nobody good enough to rule the division.
The Heavyweight division died when Lennox retired.
Fact
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Absolute bullshit.!
Fucking "Roadblock" lol
There is simply nobody good enough to rule the division.
The Heavyweight division died when Lennox retired.
Fact
they suck. Lennox was the King. May he accept the 50 million and put Wladimir in his grave. Then he can ass-rape the other fuck-face to finalize any questions from the 1st fight.
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Absolute bullshit.!
Fucking "Roadblock" lol
There is simply nobody good enough to rule the division.
The Heavyweight division died when Lennox retired.
Fact
they suck. Lennox was the King. May he accept the 50 million and put Wladimir in his grave. Then he can ass-rape the other fuck-face to finalize any questions from the 1st fight.
We all know they suck , they dont entertain etc but they beat everybody put in there way 9 times outta 10.
Its down to someone to step up and beat them at the end of the day.
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Mamazulanov from the Uzbekistan region could do it if you were watching the World Amateurs on the red button right now you would know this :-)
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Absolute bullshit.!
Fucking "Roadblock" lol
There is simply nobody good enough to rule the division.
The Heavyweight division died when Lennox retired.
Fact
they suck. Lennox was the King. May he accept the 50 million and put Wladimir in his grave. Then he can ass-rape the other fuck-face to finalize any questions from the 1st fight.
OK how many people can we find that are atleast 6 foot 7? Im willing to go out and find them to get rid of these fucking charlatain cheats. Can you imagine them fighting people 6 foot 10, 6 foot 11, or 7 foot 3??? They would get their white little ukrainian hinies ass-raped. Will somebody please assassinate them for the sake of boxing integrity? The Powetkin fight with Wlad was so despicable it was worse than a joke. The piece of shit grabbed and held 4 times within the first 29 seconds of the 1st round and was warned twice in those 29 seconds. Why? Because Powetkin was coming within a centimeter of landing some killer shots. DQ him and his blow-job-giving butt-brother.
We all know they suck , they dont entertain etc but they beat everybody put in there way 9 times outta 10.
Its down to someone to step up and beat them at the end of the day.
OK how many people can we find that are atleast 6 foot 7? Im willing to go out and find them to get rid of these fucking charlatain cheats. Can you imagine them fighting people 6 foot 10, 6 foot 11, or 7 foot 3??? They would get their white little ukrainian hinies ass-raped. Will somebody please assassinate them for the sake of boxing integrity? The Powetkin fight with Wlad was so despicable it was worse than a joke. The piece of shit grabbed and held 4 times within the first 29 seconds of the 1st round and was warned twice in those 29 seconds. Why? Because Powetkin was coming within a centimeter of landing some killer shots. DQ him and his blow-job-giving butt-brother.
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Absolute bullshit.!
Fucking "Roadblock" lol
There is simply nobody good enough to rule the division.
The Heavyweight division died when Lennox retired.
Fact
they suck. Lennox was the King. May he accept the 50 million and put Wladimir in his grave. Then he can ass-rape the other fuck-face to finalize any questions from the 1st fight.
OK how many people can we find that are atleast 6 foot 7? Im willing to go out and find them to get rid of these fucking charlatain cheats. Can you imagine them fighting people 6 foot 10, 6 foot 11, or 7 foot 3??? They would get their white little ukrainian hinies ass-raped. Will somebody please assassinate them for the sake of boxing integrity? The Powetkin fight with Wlad was so despicable it was worse than a joke. The piece of shit grabbed and held 4 times within the first 29 seconds of the 1st round and was warned twice in those 29 seconds. Why? Because Powetkin was coming within a centimeter of landing some killer shots. DQ him and his blow-job-giving butt-brother.
We all know they suck , they dont entertain etc but they beat everybody put in there way 9 times outta 10.
Its down to someone to step up and beat them at the end of the day.
OK how many people can we find that are atleast 6 foot 7? Im willing to go out and find them to get rid of these fucking charlatain cheats. Can you imagine them fighting people 6 foot 10, 6 foot 11, or 7 foot 3??? They would get their white little ukrainian hinies ass-raped. Will somebody please assassinate them for the sake of boxing integrity? The Powetkin fight with Wlad was so despicable it was worse than a joke. The piece of shit grabbed and held 4 times within the first 29 seconds of the 1st round and was warned twice in those 29 seconds. Why? Because Powetkin was coming within a centimeter of landing some killer shots. DQ him and his blow-job-giving butt-brother.
Jack Dempsey...Marciano...Tyson...Holyfield... Joe Frazier etc etc
I dont remember any of the above moaning about height advantages against anyone.
Holyfield came up from Cruiser and Dempsey was about 5 ft 9 and 14 stone.
Height or size means absolutely fuck all the rest of the division simply are not good enough to beat them.
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Brockton, you're a bit emotional and that is keeping you from being reasonable
"questionable tactics and picking questionable opponents"
OK let's start with "questionable tactics". Can we all agree that Great fighters in general often get away with bending the rules in their favor? Ali holding/backhanding the jab, Angie Dundee cutting his glove vs Cooper. Marciano using the forearms and elbows to batter his opponents, Tyson using the forearm to the throat in the clinch stepping on feet trying to break people's arms, Holyfield and his headbutting. It just happens. And the reason it happens is because guys who are good at boxing and have done it for a long time KNOW HOW TO FOUL WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT.
"Questionable opponents"....well who pray tell would you want them to fight? Both brothers did everything in their power to get Valuev in the ring with them but Sauerland didn't want that fight to happen. The "if you beat one brother you HAVE to fight the other" dreck and drivel you spout off about is complete bullshit, it happened 3 times out of a combined 111 fights. Byrd, Sanders, Purrity. People love to bring up the Sanders match but Wlad DID rematch Brewster and he demolished him, does that somehow not count?
Hate all you want, but you're arguing on pure emotion.
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Brock do you think Marciano would have out slugged Vitali ?
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I think Brocks on Crack comedown or drunk
come on Smash , ITS BOTH :)
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
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You can't have a partner in boxing. They are not a tag team. Just because Wlad beats someone it doesn't mean Vitali would and vice-versa. The Klits basically fight in seperate divisions.
Wlad might as well be champ of the Prem. Vitali of La Liga. Ridiculous.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
Well the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
Well the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.
True, but it didn't swing both ways though. One has a great chin and the other has a useless one. Vitali is a fighter that could clearly fight with anyone, Wlad on the other hand looks like a protected sibling and not only from big brother, but from referees too. His last fight was just shocking. He didn't even turn up to box, he just held on.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
Well the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.
True, but it didn't swing both ways though. One has a great chin and the other has a useless one. Vitali is a fighter that could clearly fight with anyone, Wlad on the other hand looks like a protected sibling and not only from big brother, but from referees too. His last fight was just shocking. He didn't even turn up to box, he just held on.
Oh I agree. He was more exciting a fighter when he got sparked out but the point is to not get sparked out. I agree with you that he has been coddled in multiple ways. Its almost like there is a rules shift whenever he fights in order to accommodate his style. His opponents must share a portion of the blame because they cant figure out a way in and then the grappling commences. Agree with everything you said though.
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Gandalf
Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
Oh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
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Gandalf
Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
Oh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
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Gandalf
Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
Well the pendulum swings both ways. Give Wlad his brothers chin and he'd be indestructible with his skill set. I'm sure he would not be so prone to grab and protect it at all costs. Conversely give Vitali his brothers chin and considering his fighting style and he'd probably have the record of Eric Crumble.
True, but it didn't swing both ways though. One has a great chin and the other has a useless one. Vitali is a fighter that could clearly fight with anyone, Wlad on the other hand looks like a protected sibling and not only from big brother, but from referees too. His last fight was just shocking. He didn't even turn up to box, he just held on.
Oh I agree. He was more exciting a fighter when he got sparked out but the point is to not get sparked out. I agree with you that he has been coddled in multiple ways. Its almost like there is a rules shift whenever he fights in order to accommodate his style. His opponents must share a portion of the blame because they cant figure out a way in and then the grappling commences. Agree with everything you said though.
True, but surely before the fight this needs to be made into a serious issue. Margarito and the hand wraps became serious and so people became vocal. Likewise, fighters need to make this vocal and challenge what is a very obvious spoiling tactic. It's almost as though part of the contract is to say nothing against Wlad. It's been happening for a long time now.
Wlad isn't just a bum, he does what he does. But it shouldn't be a case of buying off a referee to have things go in your favour. As I said, it's like a banker who knows he will never pay the penalty. Take the millions and just keep on hugging.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
Oh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
WTF are you banging on about? :rolleyes:
I simply said that your previous statement was an obvious contradiction.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
Oh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
WTF are you banging on about? :rolleyes:
I simply said that your previous statement was an obvious contradiction.
No contradiction from anything I've said.
If he gets away with 'hugging' thats the refs fault not his.
And like I've said 3-4 times its down the other fighter to get round that and not allow him to do so.
You outbox Vitali if you can.
You rough Wlad up and spark him if you can.
Thats the way you beat these guys but no one has what it takes in the division to do that.
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Let me make it simple for you .....
Prime Tyson at 5ft 10 and 15 stone would hqve destroyed Wlad in 1 -2 rounds regardless of any 'hugging' tactics.
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
More bullshit !
If an opponent outboxes either of them or hits them hard enough to ko them then they win.
Simple really but I will say it again NO ONE in the division is good enough to do it .
Really is that simple
I don't think hugging someone to death is tantamount to outboxing anyone. Are you really suggesting that the likes of the last fight are defendable tactics? If I were to see you and constantly hug you, what would you do? If I knew I could do that for 36 minutes and get away with it and take home millions of pounds, then I can see why he does it. But it isn't right and if millions are watching then they are not wrong in wanting to take a cold shower afterwards. It's dodgy and that of course is what bullshit is.
Trust me you'd hit the deck like a sack of shit :)
Wlad knows he can do it and get away with it so like I said its down to the opponent to figure out a way to beat him ;-)
Oh, so you are more of a fighter than Wlad then. Interesting.
You have just admitted that he cheats and gets away with it, so it clearly has nothing to do with outboxing anybody.
Wtf are you banging on about ?
I haven't admited or claimed anything I simply said if you tried to hug me id drop you.
I dont even watch either brother fight anymore as they bore me , what I am saying is you cant blame either of them if they keep winning.
All they do is beat the shit put in front of them.
Haye had a great chance but fought like a wanker.. Chisora did well but simply wasn't a good enough to win but proved they aint invincible at all.
You just need to work out the puzzle they create.
Both Brothers do the basics v v well lets not forget.
WTF are you banging on about? :rolleyes:
I simply said that your previous statement was an obvious contradiction.
No contradiction from anything I've said.
If he gets away with 'hugging' thats the refs fault not his.
And like I've said 3-4 times its down the other fighter to get round that and not allow him to do so.
You outbox Vitali if you can.
You rough Wlad up and spark him if you can.
Thats the way you beat these guys but no one has what it takes in the division to do that.
You are backtracking. 'Getting away with it' means you did something wrong, so don't be disingenuous.
I said from the off that Vitali is a quality boxer, Wlad on the other hand simply isn't. The last Wlad fight, for instance, was something beyond measure. Did you actually see the fight? Did you enjoy it? Was that boxing? 95% of the people who saw it thought it was grotesque.
He for sure 'got away with it', but most would label it bullshit.
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You are backtracking. 'Getting away with it' means you did something wrong, so don't be disingenuous.
I said from the off that Vitali is a quality boxer, Wlad on the other hand simply isn't. The last Wlad fight, for instance, was something beyond measure. Did you actually see the fight? Did you enjoy it? Was that boxing? 95% of the people who saw it thought it was grotesque.
He for sure 'got away with it', but most would label it bullshit.
If the ref isn't calling it a foul........then it isn't a foul
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*all u have to do is beat them... if they suck, it should be easy cuz they're both old too...
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Brockton is completely right on this. Vitali is obviously the better of the two and because of his chin could probably compete with anyone. Wlad on the other hand is atrocious and he really does get away with blatant cheating. His most recent fight is an obvious case in point and it is the norm rather than the exception. He is not only boring, but a blatant cheat too. Wlad is the banker of boxing. He carries out heists, but just gets bigger bonuses as noone will make him follow the rules.
Wlad is the hype job for the media. He was the younger of the two, plus the Olympian, which meant that marketers and promoters could get more "value" out of his career. Vitali is much more exciting than Wlad.
Man, if Vitali had not spent the first part of his adult career as a Kick-boxer, he would have been a much more storied fighter than Wlad.
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Brock do you think Marciano would have out slugged Vitali ?
Impossible, unless he had a step-ladder PLUS at 67 inches in reach he would be giving up 13 inches in reach and 9 inches in height. Marciano fighting Vitali would be like Sugar ray Leonard fighting Larry Holmes, size-wise.
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Gandalf
You are backtracking. 'Getting away with it' means you did something wrong, so don't be disingenuous.
I said from the off that Vitali is a quality boxer, Wlad on the other hand simply isn't. The last Wlad fight, for instance, was something beyond measure. Did you actually see the fight? Did you enjoy it? Was that boxing? 95% of the people who saw it thought it was grotesque.
He for sure 'got away with it', but most would label it bullshit.
If the ref isn't calling it a foul........then it isn't a foul
and since Obama didnt prosecute the wall street insider trading scum, that means they didn't commit any crimes of theft :vd:
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El Kabong
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Gandalf
You are backtracking. 'Getting away with it' means you did something wrong, so don't be disingenuous.
I said from the off that Vitali is a quality boxer, Wlad on the other hand simply isn't. The last Wlad fight, for instance, was something beyond measure. Did you actually see the fight? Did you enjoy it? Was that boxing? 95% of the people who saw it thought it was grotesque.
He for sure 'got away with it', but most would label it bullshit.
If the ref isn't calling it a foul........then it isn't a foul
and since Obama didnt prosecute the wall street insider trading scum, that means they didn't commit any crimes of theft :vd:
Yeah, it's a silly argument. It means basically excusing any level of criminality based on the not being called out or caught argument. I guess that is why Bush Jnr is walking free today and not guilty of any crimes. 'If ya ain't gonna prosecute, then I'm guilty of nothing'. Well, it is one way of looking at things, but it is also absurd.
