Seeing this in several reports on sites. Something many of us predicted prior to the Floyd fight. I may be in the minority but I'd like to see this fight.
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Seeing this in several reports on sites. Something many of us predicted prior to the Floyd fight. I may be in the minority but I'd like to see this fight.
I think it's a good fight at this juncture. Cotto looked great in his last fight and has the "new trainer" revival story going, and Alvarez is coming off the Floyd loss.
It's gaurenteed to be fireworks, so why not? Makes a lot more sense than it did the first time it was brought up.
Nah I'd be all for it as well if it happens next for each. Huge risk that neither men really need to take but that's hardly a reason to complain is it. I think Alvarez would stop Cotto at 154, but you never know how he'll respond coming off the Floyd loss wheras Cotto has seen it all at this point, it's a great crossroads fight.
I would love to see this fight. I think Cotto would be able to exploit Canelos weaknesses. Neither of these guys would back down in my eyes this would be a great matchup. It could certainly go either way but I would be leaning towards Cotto.
Before seeing cotto in his last fight I would've hands down said canelo got it. But now after seeing miguel in shape and looking like he wants to tear the head of his opponents I am all cotto baby!! Haha he's back!! I just hope he keeps training and then fights the best I can't wait to see him out there again. He is the type of fighter who really needs some one to push him to train I feel like no body has had him in this good of shape since his uncle.
No excuse not to make the fight for Cotto. The timing couldn't be better. Neither has anything set. The money is more than alright. Certainly more than he would get for fighting Sergio Martinez. The only reason for turning the fight down would be he just doesn't want it.
Could be right there, 10 mill is a huge payday and I doubt he'd get half that against anyone else unless a Mayweather rematch is seriously on the table. Other than that who does he fight, Molina, Quillin? Those guys could beat him to for nowhere near the reward.
10 million in stone is an obscene Christmas and a must take but this will shoot all of Cottos talk about 147 return to bits...lemme guess, catchweight and both are trinket less? I think Alvarez would be too strong for Cotto either way but money talks.
Same here. I don't see a downside to this fight. Hope it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Schaefer: Cotto Also Has Option of Facing Quillin - Boxing News
Golden Boy offer Quillen If Cotto wants a 160 shot
I don't think that Quillin is a safer bet at 160, and there wouldn't be 10 million in that fight combined. A faded elite welterweight against a young middleweight puncher, what's the point. Cotto is not a big guy and has no business at 160 imo, Quillin would be the hardest puncher he's ever fought by a stretch.
Perfect all around.
Right fight for Canelo.
Right fight for Cotto.
And Martinez nolonger has a payday excuse against either to get out of fighting the other top Middleweights.
If Martinez ever fought Cotto at 160 he should be asked to retire. Both of them! I don't think that was -really- ever a serious consideration. I thought Cotto would be steered into a Molina trinket grab to bring a door prize before Alvarez.
I don't think Cotto even has much going for him at 154, that's just where the money is now. Wouldn't mind Martinez fighting him since he's been inactive and injured, but it's a fight with no real implications for the winner so I getcha. Cotto deserves a couple more big paydays, but he has no chance of securing any kind of foothold above welter. Angulo or Kirkland would be good fights for him if all else fails, he isn't beating Lara, Trout, Golovkin, Quillin or Martinez imo.
Yeh that's what I've been thinking straight off the Rodriquez showcase. Nothing but mass respect for Cotto but it leans far more to a huge proper cash out or last mega bout for him. He'd be wasting his time and last glory with a Angulo or Kirkland, stepping stone status totally and zero gain. Molina has a trinket and just had Ortiz refused...Andrade v Vanes is not a bad match at all and puts another door prize in the works at 154 as of Sat. night? Cotto deserves a top go but behind the scenes they just see him as a huge scalp and I'd hate to see him thrown to the wolves at 160.
i would pick canelo to win this fight, but cotto is definitely a live dog in there. its a fight for me where i definitely wouldnt put money on it. but i do agree that its a great fight for both fighters and a huge money fight.
it's really down to him, does he want to add to his legacy by taking a shot against Martinez and adding a strap at 160 to his collection making him a 4 weight champ and the only Puerto Rican to do so, or take the money against Canelo, IMO Alvarez will be the favorite heading into the fight but as we have already seen that Alvarez can have every advantage in his corner and still not be able to capitalize on it, and Cotto still has the speed, jab, and boxing ability to outbox him, good close fight
Cotto would beat Alvarez fairly easily. Cotto can box and keep up the work, Alvarez can't. Master versus Junior. Alvarez would need to hurt Cotto, but you cannot rely on that alone.
Its an interesting fight considering the coaching change. An old boxing maxim suggests never to hook with a hooker. Problem here is, they are both hookers. Personally I would rather Diaz be in Cotto's corner for this particular matchup and he may have to be depending on schedules. Cotto could hurt the kid but I think youth would prevail. Cotto under Roach and in the phone booth would allow Alvarez to come to a stop, plant and get his shots off.
Cotto is a warrior, but he loses against Canelo and he loses against Martinez. However, he has a better chance against Canelo, assuming Martinez is most of what he used to be. If Cotto beats Canelo, he can challenge Martinez then. If he loses badly to Canelo, he can retire having made $10M.
At this stage of his career, the decision should come down to money. A Cotto-Martinez fight has been talked about for a while and is legacy-defining fight. However, he makes less money facing Martinez than he would Canelo.
Bottom line - Face Canelo now, win, and face Martinez, lose badly and call it a day, lose close, and take a rematch for the same amount of money.
If this is true would love to see Cotto take the fight, and win or lose retire.He has done his bit.
It means nothing aside from IF Cotto wins, a rematch with Floyd should be in Floyd's last four fights. If Alavrez wins, he avenges his name as the second best BEHIND Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Nothing to see here aside from curiousity.
This sounds dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Hahahaha well played on the edit job.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThis sounds dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Regardless of who we as fans think Cotto should face, the decision is Cotto's. He's the veteran, surefire HOF'er..... he gets to call the shots. Not to mention the fact he's not tied to any promoter.
I don't think Cotto poses any serious threat to Canelo. But Canelo does need this win to catapult his career back on track after his set back.
Alvarez has all the qualities to make it to the top. He was just too early to be top dog.
I think in the future he will be fine hanging in between the weights of Broner and Golovkin.
All together they are the future of boxing in the lower divisions!
I agree. Cotto's best days are behind him. Canelo's are ahead of him. Cotto would take a beatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Martinez would out slick Cotto pretty easily. Quillin would stop him early. Golovkin would make his wife a widow. He would literally put Cotto in a coffin. So winning a title at 160 is not gonna happen for Miguel. He needs to stop stalling and take the Alvarez fight
Oh shit yeah stay out of that territory. You couldn't be more right, I don't think he has any aspirations on GGG! lolQuote:
Martinez would out slick Cotto pretty easily. Quillin would stop him early. Golovkin would make his wife a widow. He would literally put Cotto in a coffin. So winning a title at 160 is not gonna happen for Miguel. He needs to stop stalling and take the Alvarez fight
Agree Cotto has no business above 154 really, although he'd have a chance against Quillin or Martinez today imo. If this offer is concrete I have a hard time seeing why he wouldn't fight Alvarez, and I'm really hoping that happens now. It's a great matchup.
It's a perfect springboard for Alvarez back to the forefront and would revive Cotto similarly.
But I think this time the new would sign off the old, unlike the last major outing.
I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Chavez jr, Puerto Rico.
I never liked Oscar at all but if he is serious then I have changed my mind and if this is Cotto's chance to go for it all one more time then I say this, piss and vinegar belongs in his blood stream because whenever he lost there was always a limitation that kept him from all the marbles he lacked a certain meanness and he was too much of a gentlemen. Save that for everyday living out side the ring because on the way to that fight you won't be opening doors for ladies. Take the money and fight hard.
For the pound for pound king, that isn't a bad idea either but Oscar didn't think of it and he's got the bread but good idea.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
I don't know about Martinez being a HOF. That's stretching it. And there is no way in hell a Martinez fight would get Cotto more than 10 million. That's just ridiculous. So there is no "probably more money" in fighting Alvarez. It's a guarantee. Cotto has already gone on record as saying he wants the big fights that will bring him the biggest pay days. Alvarez is offering him 10 million. That's more than the 8 million he got for fighting Mayweather. What the fuck is he waiting for?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI don't know about Martinez being a HOF. That's stretching it. And there is no way in hell a Martinez fight would get Cotto more than 10 million. That's just ridiculous. So there is no "probably more money" in fighting Alvarez. It's a guarantee. Cotto has already gone on record as saying he wants the big fights that will bring him the biggest pay days. Alvarez is offering him 10 million. That's more than the 8 million he got for fighting Mayweather. What the fuck is he waiting for?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
Interesting that you don't think Martinez is HOF material. I think he's done enough to get in, but that's all subjective, I guess. We'll just have to see what Cotto wants to do. You can't argue Martinez isn't a big name, 'cause he is. The notoriety Cotto would gain from beating Sergio Martinez would be unmeasurable. But whichever way it goes, it'll be a big fight.