Requirements for a fight with Andre Ward

1) There can be no PED testing (no OST, no VADA)

- Kessler, Abraham and Rodriguez all wanted PED testing, Ward said "NO" during negotiations for Abraham and Kessler fights.

2) Fight must be at 168

- Regardless of whether you're a light heavyweight, super middleweight or middleweight. Dawson asked for 170, Ward insisted on 168.

3) Fight must be in in California

- Ward has never fought a contender outside of the USA and only once as a pro fought a live opponent outside California.

4) Referee must be from California

- maybe in certain cases a shady foreign referee or a nationalistic American referee like Steve Smoger would let Ward foul (hit while holding, hit off the break and deliberately head butt) but Andre Ward feels more secure with a California Boxing Commission referee

Is this really what discussing boxing has become? As a fan of the sport I'm embarrassed to admit I read the entire post.

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Saddo Boxing Talk is a free swinging forum, within the rules, so you are probably going to be disappointed, a lot.

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Whats wrong with what he said Ron? Looks pretty factual to me although he's only done the weight strip with Dawson. What bothers me is almost immediately after he was talking about going to 175. The guy thinks he's the reincarnation of Robinson or as big as Mayweather and he cant draw flies to a shit parade.

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Whats wrong with what he said Ron? Looks pretty factual to me although he's only done the weight strip with Dawson. What bothers me is almost immediately after he was talking about going to 175. The guy thinks he's the reincarnation of Robinson or as big as Mayweather and he cant draw flies to a shit parade.

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Whats wrong with what he said Ron? Looks pretty factual to me although he's only done the weight strip with Dawson. What bothers me is almost immediately after he was talking about going to 175. The guy thinks he's the reincarnation of Robinson or as big as Mayweather and he cant draw flies to a shit parade.

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What are you talking about?

What's wrong with #2? Can't blame a guy for wanting to stick to his weight class.

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What's wrong with #2? Can't blame a guy for wanting to stick to his weight class.

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Joe Calzaghe left his home country and moved up to 175 to fight Ring champion Bernard Hopkins in the USA.

But Ward is not a courageous ring warrior like Joe. Ward's a pampered, selfish prima donna.

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Joe Calzaghe left his home country and moved up to 175 to fight Ring champion Bernard Hopkins in the USA.

But Ward is not a courageous ring warrior like Joe. Ward's a pampered, selfish prima donna.

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Lol yes yes Joe was never afraid to leave the UK and fight the very best in their prime on their turf....

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Joe fought contenders many times outside Wales, even though unlike Ward he was immensely popular and attracted huge crowds in his home country.

Calzaghe fought in the USA, Denmark and Germany. Ward has never fought a single contender outside his home country.

Ward will come to the UK and beat Froch if they paid him enough.

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Joe Calzaghe left his home country and moved up to 175 to fight Ring champion Bernard Hopkins in the USA.

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I give Calzaghe credit for coming over to fight Bhop and Jones, but he's not exactly "Road Warrior" Glen Johnson himself.

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Ward will come to the UK and beat Froch if they paid him enough.

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I'd love him to come over here and beat Froch, its a fight that would definately sell out a football stadium in England. Thing is Froch could make just as much money fighting people he can actually beat so I don't see them paying Ward too much.

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Ward will come to the UK and beat Froch if they paid him enough.

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I'd love him to come over here and beat Froch, its a fight that would definately sell out a football stadium in England. Thing is Froch could make just as much money fighting people he can actually beat so I don't see them paying Ward too much.

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Agreed but eventually he will have to fight him to avenge his defeat.

Since Ward fought at 175 in the amateurs, there can only be one reason he insisted Dawson fight him at 168: he wanted Chad to be weight-drained.

That was unsportsmanlike, and very selfish for someone who calls himself the "Son of God".

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Since Ward fought at 175 in the amateurs, there can only be one reason he insisted Dawson fight him at 168: he wanted Chad to be weight-drained.

That was unsportsmanlike, and very selfish for someone who calls himself the "Son of God".

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Actually in the amateurs light heavyweight is 178. But Ward wasn't a real light heavy. He fought at and was the #1 ranked 165er but he moved up to 178 because he wanted his cousin to make the Olympic team with him. Ward weighed in at 170-172 for light heavy in the amateurs and was actually a smaller 165er. One of our guys fought him at the US Challenge and he weighed in at 164 for a 165 tourney and then the next tournament we saw him at light heavy weighing in at 171 with socks and boxers on.
But with the Dawson fight he is not wrong because Dawson called Ward out and also said he could and would make 168. Dawson is even here stating that the weight cut is nothing and that he is only 178 with 5 weeks to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HSMTn8WfL0 After watching the fight I believe Dawson underestimated the cut and was indeed drained but he brought that situation to himself. Golovkin said he would go down to 154 for Mayweather, Ward and Hopkins both said they would go to 160 for Mayweather. If they underestimate the weight cut and are drained then you blame them not Mayweather. Though I doubt any of those fights will ever happen. But the other points of the original post such as Ward fighting outside of home is hard to ignore. At some point he has to give up home advantage. As far as the additional PED testing I think he should at least pick an agency of his own preference and join in with the other guys doing this. Its the only way boxing will get cleaner. Boxing bodies never try to correct boxing so the fighters have to take it in their own hands.

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3) Fight must be in in California

- Ward has never fought a contender outside of the USA and only once as a pro fought a live opponent outside California.

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That's not an accurate statement. Aside from Carl Froch (which I'm sure is the one live body you're referring too) in Atlantic City he also fought Roger Cantrell in Saint Lucia and Jerson Ravelo in the Cayman Islands. The names might mean nothing now. But they meant something when he fought them. Ward was 13-0 when he fought the 12-0 Cantrell. Cantrell was a multiple Golden Gloves winner who was highly touted in the Washington area. It was a good prospect vs prospect fight. Ravelo is useless now a days. But the former Olympian was still a credible opponent when he fought Ward

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1) There can be no PED testing (no OST, no VADA)

- Kessler, Abraham and Rodriguez all wanted PED testing, Ward said "NO" during negotiations for Abraham and Kessler fights.

2) Fight must be at 168

- Regardless of whether you're a light heavyweight, super middleweight or middleweight. Dawson asked for 170, Ward insisted on 168.

3) Fight must be in in California

- Ward has never fought a contender outside of the USA and only once as a pro fought a live opponent outside California.

4) Referee must be from California

- maybe in certain cases a shady foreign referee or a nationalistic American referee like Steve Smoger would let Ward foul (hit while holding, hit off the break and deliberately head butt) but Andre Ward feels more secure with a California Boxing Commission referee

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i agree that ward has been kind of a diva with certain things but in his defense, he has fought a lot of good fighters which is more important to me than everything else. its sad that great fighters fighting the best is the exception rather than the rule. anyways, i will give you reasons why all of those reasons dont matter too much.

1. i think that he should just give in to the PED testing but in his defense, unless boxing creates a harder standard of testing then he doesnt have to oblige. im sure that it is annoying having to always be waiting to be tested at any time.

2. i dont mind him staying at 168. dawson called him out and said that he could easily make 168 so ward accepted. until he moves up in weight, he has no reason to have to fight anyone at a higher weight. the better fighter (which is ward) will always have the bargaining power.

3. i like it when people fight in their hometowns because it fills seats. its better than if he fought somewhere else and the stadium was empty. and again, since he is the champion and the man to beat, he has the bargaining power and can make the fight in california.

4. i might care more about the refs being from california if they actually had an impact in the fight.

it all comes down to ward just dominating all of his opponents. if fights were close and the ref was helping ward or the judges were unfairly giving the fight to ward then i would agree, but he has shown me that none of these things really matter because he would have dominated either way.

Agreed. Ward is shame job and a selfish coward!

Ward has a great resume regardless of where he has fought.

Who do you want ward to fight?
Who do you think ward is now ducking?

He has just had major surgery on his shoulder and has been out of action for ages.

What Master said made sense.
Pay Ward enough money and he will fight in uk.

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Ward has a great resume regardless of where he has fought.

Who do you want ward to fight?
Who do you think ward is now ducking?

He has just had major surgery on his shoulder and has been out of action for ages.

What Master said made sense.
Pay Ward enough money and he will fight in uk.

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His domination of the S-6 was truly impressive but he had home field throughout and venues seemed to be quite the disruptor in the thing. Now that's not his fault cause for some reason his team was able to stack the deck in his favour. Atlantic city is still home field in an international tourney.

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How about a rematch with Carl? He's earned it by unifying and working for it. Simply saying the same thing happens again is not a reason not to anymore then it was in the second Robinson/Lamotta fight.
Lamotta even out jabbed him which would have been unheard of.

Fight Stevenson after he demolishes Bellew and go to Quebec where the money will be. He's just a crude puncher. Nothing to fear there for a guy so technically savvy.

I dont think he's ducking anyone and it would be a shame if injury problems ruined his career so quickly.

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Looks like a built in escape clause my friend.

Could be an escape clause.

The fact still remains no one has beaten ward or even come close in a long time.

I like froch and would love to see the rematch but hearn is not looking to make this fight anytime soon either when a groves, kessler or even bute rematch could be a possibility after pascal.

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Could be an escape clause.

The fact still remains no one has beaten ward or even come close in a long time.

I like froch and would love to see the rematch but hearn is not looking to make this fight anytime soon either when a groves, kessler or even bute rematch could be a possibility after pascal.

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Not sure Carl would be satisfied with that route given his character. Hearn is starting to remind me of Warren.

I just think ward is a nice guy and so what he doesnt sell as much as this person or that person he is winning and beating every type of style out there.

Really valid point and it was wrong of me to base or infer anything on "his draw" perhaps even hypocritical given my rather dark feelings about the whole ppv / hbo monopoly situation. Point is I guess is that he may have to dance the opponents tune even if he's better then him because of it. Unfortunately boxing has laid itself at the feet of the casual and at times totally ignorant fan base. They want knockouts not boxing displays and they want to see that ko before they exit the drive-through.

Rodriguez says VADA testing was brought up during negotiations, Ward said "no":

Ward-Rodriguez tensions mount over drug testing | RingTV

Why is Ward stubbornly refusing to take the test? Random PED testing is good for the sport of boxing.

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That's not an accurate statement. Aside from Carl Froch (which I'm sure is the one live body you're referring too) in Atlantic City he also fought Roger Cantrell in Saint Lucia and Jerson Ravelo in the Cayman Islands. The names might mean nothing now. But they meant something when he fought them. Ward was 13-0 when he fought the 12-0 Cantrell. Cantrell was a multiple Golden Gloves winner who was highly touted in the Washington area. It was a good prospect vs prospect fight. Ravelo is useless now a days. But the former Olympian was still a credible opponent when he fought Ward

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What my opening post states is "Ward has never fought a contender" outside the USA and only once outside California. Cantrell and Ravelo are not contenders. Lots of fighters win golden gloves and are highly regarded in their hometowns, like Raphael Butler the heavyweight journeyman, but they never become contenders.

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Rodriguez says VADA testing was brought up during negotiations, Ward said "no":

Ward-Rodriguez tensions mount over drug testing | RingTV

Why is Ward stubbornly refusing to take the test? Random PED testing is good for the sport of boxing.

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That's not an accurate statement. Aside from Carl Froch (which I'm sure is the one live body you're referring too) in Atlantic City he also fought Roger Cantrell in Saint Lucia and Jerson Ravelo in the Cayman Islands. The names might mean nothing now. But they meant something when he fought them. Ward was 13-0 when he fought the 12-0 Cantrell. Cantrell was a multiple Golden Gloves winner who was highly touted in the Washington area. It was a good prospect vs prospect fight. Ravelo is useless now a days. But the former Olympian was still a credible opponent when he fought Ward

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What my opening post states is "Ward has never fought a contender" outside the USA and only once outside California. Cantrell and Ravelo are not contenders. Lots of fighters win golden gloves and are highly regarded in their hometowns, like Raphael Butler the heavyweight journeyman, but they never become contenders.

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Did you read the article you posted? Rodriguez clearly says he DIDN'T bring this up in negotiations. I wish Ward would take the additional tests but he is right if you want something of concern done then you put in writing and don't wait until negotiations are over. But lets get to the real subject. What do you want from Ward? You can't call it fair play for a guy to fight outside of his weight class just because he is the best. So who do you want Ward to fight, where at, and under what conditions?

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What do you want from Ward? You can't call it fair play for a guy to fight outside of his weight class just because he is the best. So who do you want Ward to fight, where at, and under what conditions?

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To begin with, he should agree to random PED testing.

Why will he not?

And he shouldn't demand light heavyweights drain down to 168. It would be the same as Ward draining down to 160 to fight Golovkin.

And he shouldn't always demand his own way. When Kessler was the champion, he went to Ward's hometown, and despite it being written into the Super Six contract that referees be from neutral countries, Ward had his home ref Jack Reiss (Sauerland protested to no avail). This is what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8Puxp2Lv6QU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uDEBCoaR_lU

Lets keep it factual bro. Ward never demanded to fight any light heavyweights let alone for them to come to 168. Dawson called Ward out and also said he would come to 168 to fight him. Dawson asked for that and got what he wanted. In the Kessler fight there were some bad headbutts but Ward blew Kessler out. That fight would have to take a 180 in every round. I'm sure you want this thread to be a "pour it on Ward" type of thread. But instead of just going back and forth I was just asking you what you wanted. I agree Ward should take on additional PED testing. Who do you want Ward to fight and under what conditions?

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Why will he not?

And he shouldn't demand light heavyweights drain down to 168. It would be the same as Ward draining down to 160 to fight Golovkin.

And he shouldn't always demand his own way. When Kessler was the champion, he went to Ward's hometown, and despite it being written into the Super Six contract that referees be from neutral countries, Ward had his home ref Jack Reiss (Sauerland protested to no avail). This is what happened:

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In fairness it was not in negotiations and if they think everyone should just volunteer then just institute a rule. Quit cherry picking. Cant believe this has resurfaced again.

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Who do you want Ward to fight and under what conditions?

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He should fight Golovkin at 160 (after all, Dawson had to move down, and he said he'd fight Mayweather at 160), fight Froch at 168 in the UK (since Ward had all his Super Six fights in his home country and all but one in California), or fight Adonis Stevenson in Montreal at 175 (Adonis is the Ring champion at 175).

But he won't. He'll want Golovkin to move up to 168, and Stevenson to move down to 168. Either fight would need to be in California.

Conditions should be 1) a neutral referee (not a California Boxing Commission ref like Jack Reiss) for a change 2) random PED testing. But Ward would never fight with a Canadian, UK or mainland European ref, and he'll never agree to random PED testing.

I'll never respect Ward until he agrees to neutral referees and PED testing - why should anyone respect someone who cheats with head butts and steroids?

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Who do you want Ward to fight and under what conditions?

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He should fight Golovkin at 160 (after all, Dawson had to move down, and he said he'd fight Mayweather at 160), fight Froch at 168 in the UK (since Ward had all his Super Six fights in his home country and all but one in California), or fight Adonis Stevenson in Montreal at 175 (Adonis is the Ring champion at 175).

But he won't. He'll want Golovkin to move up to 168, and Stevenson to move down to 168. Either fight would need to be in California.

Conditions should be 1) a neutral referee (not a California Boxing Commission ref like Jack Reiss) for a change 2) random PED testing. But Ward would never fight with a Canadian, UK or mainland European ref, and he'll never agree to random PED testing.

I'll never respect Ward until he agrees to neutral referees and PED testing - why should anyone respect someone who cheats with head butts and steroids?

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I thought you were going to be sensible so I was going to keep this dialogue going but you showed your cards. Do you have proof Ward is on steroids? If not, your agenda is clear and I can no longer take your posts about Ward serious.

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He should fight Golovkin at 160 (after all, Dawson had to move down, and he said he'd fight Mayweather at 160), fight Froch at 168 in the UK (since Ward had all his Super Six fights in his home country and all but one in California), or fight Adonis Stevenson in Montreal at 175 (Adonis is the Ring champion at 175).

But he won't. He'll want Golovkin to move up to 168, and Stevenson to move down to 168. Either fight would need to be in California.

Conditions should be 1) a neutral referee (not a California Boxing Commission ref like Jack Reiss) for a change 2) random PED testing. But Ward would never fight with a Canadian, UK or mainland European ref, and he'll never agree to random PED testing.

I'll never respect Ward until he agrees to neutral referees and PED testing - why should anyone respect someone who cheats with head butts and steroids?

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Ward last fought at 160 back in 2006. It's moronic for him to try. I'm sure he'll sell out and try and do it for the 10 million plus he would get for fighting Mayweather. But Golovkin ain't Mayweather. He don't bring the payday Floyd does. Not only that Ward knows Mayweather calls the shots in a fight between them. Against Golovkin, Ward would be the one calling the shots. Fighting him at 160 wouldn't even be an option

He already dominated Froch once already. What would be the point of fighting him again? It would be an even more lopsided fight

Steve Smoger is a east coast referee. Luis Pabon is a Puerto Rican referee. Those were the referees for Ward last 3 fights (Smoger twice). So I don't know where this he needs a California ref to fight nonsense comes from

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Why will he not?

And he shouldn't demand light heavyweights drain down to 168. It would be the same as Ward draining down to 160 to fight Golovkin.

And he shouldn't always demand his own way. When Kessler was the champion, he went to Ward's hometown, and despite it being written into the Super Six contract that referees be from neutral countries, Ward had his home ref Jack Reiss (Sauerland protested to no avail). This is what happened:

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Yes it was. Use of a neutral referee was written into the Super Six contract. Here's one of several sources:

Mikkel Kessler's camp is unhappy with the officials for the Andre Ward bout - ESPN

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Steve Smoger is a east coast referee. Luis Pabon is a Puerto Rican referee. Those were the referees for Ward last 3 fights (Smoger twice). So I don't know where this he needs a California ref to fight nonsense comes from

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Smoger is a US referee used for the Froch fight (there was no PED testing for that fight). We saw how nationalistic Smoger was during Hopkins-Murat recently.

Smoger was approved by the California Commission for Ward's last fight in Oakland, but for that fight the ref didn't matter because Chad was badly weight-drained anyway.

California referee Dan Snell helped Ward during his fight with Sakio Bika. Ward was allowed to foul - headbutt and hit off the break - but Snell was on Bika's back for it all night. At one point, Ward hit Bika off the break, and Snell admonished Bika for it!

Ward had California ref Raul Caiz Sr for his Super Six fight against Allan Green. Ward was permitted to hit while holding throughout the fight, but was too feather-fisted to stop Green.

Yes, Ward used Luis Pabon for his California fight against Abraham. But Puerto Rico is basically part of the USA isn't it? And Pabon had no objections to Ward using deliberate head butts in that fight.

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No definite proof. But isn't a boxer refusing PED testing several times (for the Kessler, Abraham and Rodriguez fights) is a reason to SUSPECT he's on something? Why won't Ward take the test?

Ward gets away with that because he's leveraging the championship against opponents. The minute he loses in the ring, on the scales or due to inactivity, he'll sing a different tune because he's not exciting enough to make demands on his ring performances alone. When Froch and Kessler could fight for a third time and sell out an arena, when ward couldn't sell out a venue outside of his own town despite owning the division... that says all you need to know about the man's draw. (not to mention HBO giving him the klitchsko treatment, along with rigo) I think Ward would be hard pressed to fight Froch (in England) this time. Someone would say he needs Froch for the payday he wants, but he'll say Froch needs to make concessions if he wants a chance at redemption. Just the opinion of a humble American, but fighting Froch in the UK represents risk because British fight fans/ judges don't like stinkers of a fight. Direll already found that out thinking he could stink his way to a victory against Froch on English soil. As for testing, i dont think wards a dirty fighter. When you fight the style he fights, you dont need drugs to win fights. However i wouldn't be surprised to find out he's afraid of his shoulder related therapy, marring his reputation by turning up a dirty test and being stripped (see "title leverage" above). It could happen. Ask Berto and James toney. All in all if Ward was this generations roy jones, mike tyson, de la hoya... he could demand what he wanted and noone would say anything, but he's not. He's got the personality of a sack of grain and the fighting style of a octopus. (hes all arms and head) and that has people calling for him to continuously prove his mettle with a spectacular feat which he doesn't feel should be demanded of him. When people stop watching, he'll either step it up or look for some other way to get paid for what he does (endorsements). just my opinion, I could be wrong.

freedom is probably the best poster on this message board

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Ward gets away with that because he's leveraging the championship against opponents. The minute he loses in the ring, on the scales or due to inactivity, he'll sing a different tune because he's not exciting enough to make demands on his ring performances alone. When Froch and Kessler could fight for a third time and sell out an arena, when ward couldn't sell out a venue outside of his own town despite owning the division... that says all you need to know about the man's draw. (not to mention HBO giving him the klitchsko treatment, along with rigo) I think Ward would be hard pressed to fight Froch (in England) this time. Someone would say he needs Froch for the payday he wants, but he'll say Froch needs to make concessions if he wants a chance at redemption. Just the opinion of a humble American, but fighting Froch in the UK represents risk because British fight fans/ judges don't like stinkers of a fight. Direll already found that out thinking he could stink his way to a victory against Froch on English soil. As for testing, i dont think wards a dirty fighter. When you fight the style he fights, you dont need drugs to win fights. However i wouldn't be surprised to find out he's afraid of his shoulder related therapy, marring his reputation by turning up a dirty test and being stripped (see "title leverage" above). It could happen. Ask Berto and James toney. All in all if Ward was this generations roy jones, mike tyson, de la hoya... he could demand what he wanted and noone would say anything, but he's not. He's got the personality of a sack of grain and the fighting style of a octopus. (hes all arms and head) and that has people calling for him to continuously prove his mettle with a spectacular feat which he doesn't feel should be demanded of him. When people stop watching, he'll either step it up or look for some other way to get paid for what he does (endorsements). just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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I find irony in the fact that @Freedom likes this post and is a big fan of Wladimir Klitschko.

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Differences:

1) Wlad has never refused to take PED test (for example, he agreed to WADA testing for Povetkin in 2010)
2) Wlad doesn't deliberately headbutt
3) Wlad isn't feather-fisted, he has had a lot of brutal KOs
4) Wlad has had only one fight in his hometown of Kiev
5) Wlad is a big draw, his fights have filled stadiums. His last fight was watched by many millions of people (Poland, Germany, Ukraine, Russia, etc).
6) Wlad isn't afraid to cross the ocean - he was hoping Mitchell turned out better, and Jennings/Wilder/Arreola do well, because he WANTS to fight in the USA again
7) Wlad doesn't deliberately hit off the break
8) Wlad isn't arrogant and doesn't call himself the "Son of God"
9) Wlad wouldn't insist an opponent be weight-drained (if he fought Valuev, he wouldn't insist the fight be at 250 ;))

Similarity:

1) Both hold too much. Wlad never used to, but his last fight against Povetkin he was as bad as Ward for clinching

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Why will he not?

And he shouldn't demand light heavyweights drain down to 168. It would be the same as Ward draining down to 160 to fight Golovkin.

And he shouldn't always demand his own way. When Kessler was the champion, he went to Ward's hometown, and despite it being written into the Super Six contract that referees be from neutral countries, Ward had his home ref Jack Reiss (Sauerland protested to no avail). This is what happened:

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I was referring to the drug testing not the fact that he got his way through the S-6. Anyone who thinks he didn't have his way is an idiot but you cant blame Ward for that.

I like ward.
But if its true that hes avoiding ped testing then thats not a good look.
Both he and his opponent gets tested for drugs, why shouldnt he agree to that. Must be more to this.