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The press scores show just how bad the scoring was on this fight even before the ref made a big error by jumping in and stopping the fight
my card is also on the site along with the 46 press scores and a press average score
for 2 judges to have this 4-4 in rounds is wrong
comments welcome
http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/b...-george-groves
That really is a disgrace, people will say its irrelevant because of a stoppage but it isn't. its fundamentally wrong.
We are seeing way way too much of this lately and it needs to be looked at and sorted asap.
I had it 78-73, 6-2 in rounds with the extra point for the knockdown.
Bang on for me too. ANd one of the rounds for Froch could easily have been a 10-10 round. Think round 6 you could make a case for a 10-8 to Groves too, landed a lot of very heavy shots, very one sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
i dont think Froch is doing himself any favours saying that the ref saved Groves career by stopping it
Not at all. Hes a disgrace. He should have said it was a great fight and I felt I hurt him and was on the verge of getting the KO. Everyone knows Groves got screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fightscorecollector
But I suppose Frochs verbal diarrhea will hype the rematch and boost PPV salesQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot at all. Hes a disgrace. He should have said it was a great fight and I felt I hurt him and was on the verge of getting the KO. Everyone knows Groves got screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fightscorecollector
This just further highlights how corrupt 2 of the judges were.
i dont think it was that bad. i had it 5-3 after the 8th round. also, one of those rounds i gave to groves could have gone to froch. although groves was doing better all around, round by round, i could see it being even without counting the knockdown.
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Originally Posted by fightscorecollector
I'm still angry about this, you can, at least, forgive the referee for an error of judgement in a split second decision, if it was in fact an error of judgement and not blatant fixing.
With respect to the two judges who had Froch only one point behind the mind boggles. Groves was two points up going into the second round, and by the end of the eighth Froch was one point behind, that means Froch won 4 of the 7 rounds from 2 to 8. I would be astonished if anyone could find a judge who could find 4 of those rounds for Froch. This is just fixing, pure and simple.
On Sky the BBBoc rep was only questioned about the stoppage, which he answered with all the usual safety bollox. The questionable stoppage, together with, more significantly, the ridiculous scores recorded by two of the judges, should be investigated fully. There is a fearful stink about this whole fight, meanwhile Hearn bigs it up as an opportunity for a big money rematch - in your dreams - your punters aren't as thick as you think!
Groves should tell Hearn to shove it, get back with Adam Booth and sign with Golden Boy or another US promoter.
its not that hard. it just means that each had 4 rounds scored for them which is debatable but nowhere near a fixed score. i think that this fight got people into a wrong mindset at the very beginning. since groves hurt froch in the first round, and then proceeded to do well, then it was like everybody started focusing on groves and the damage he was doing rather than what froch was doing. froch had rounds where he was landing good shots and doing some damage. the 9th round didnt just happen because of one lucky punch. froch was breaking him down the whole fight. for example, the second round was pretty clearly froch's round but since the KD was still fresh on everybodys mind, people scored it for groves. it felt like that was the whole fight though. watch it again and then you will realize that froch has a few good rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomQuote:
Originally Posted by fightscorecollector
I'm still angry about this, you can, at least, forgive the referee for an error of judgement in a split second decision, if it was in fact an error of judgement and not blatant fixing.
With respect to the two judges who had Froch only one point behind the mind boggles. Groves was two points up going into the second round, and by the end of the eighth Froch was one point behind, that means Froch won 4 of the 7 rounds from 2 to 8. I would be astonished if anyone could find a judge who could find 4 of those rounds for Froch. This is just fixing, pure and simple.
On Sky the BBBoc rep was only questioned about the stoppage, which he answered with all the usual safety bollox. The questionable stoppage, together with, more significantly, the ridiculous scores recorded by two of the judges, should be investigated fully. There is a fearful stink about this whole fight, meanwhile Hearn bigs it up as an opportunity for a big money rematch - in your dreams - your punters aren't as thick as you think!
Groves should tell Hearn to shove it, get back with Adam Booth and sign with Golden Boy or another US promoter.
So what happened with this fight? Froch just totally underestimated the kid?
My Internet is super slow lately so I can't watch the video of the fight.
It was a cracking fight matey, froch took a massive beating, he is one tough manQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I had it exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI had it exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Shock! Horror! A scoring controversy. It only happens every fucking week.
Mike Costello for Radio 5 live, who was commentating with Steve Bunce and Adam Booth, had Groves just one point up as well. I wonder how much he was paid to fix it?
Premature stoppage? In Britian? No way. You never see premature stoppages in Britain. :rolleyes:
Probably the reason he works on the radio then.
At a push an absolute push Froch won 3 rounds.
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Originally Posted by smashup
i agree
jim watt score the 5th to froch, i dont think he won that, it was his best round thus far in the fight but you cant give a fighter a round just for doing better than he had been
7th there is a case but youd have to be very kind
and the 8th was frochs best round
That proves the point. You accept Froch could have won 3 rounds watching on TV with the influence of camera angles, commentary, punch stats and replays.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The judges and people ringside are watching from a totally different perspective. If rounds can be interpreted different from the TV, where everyone is viewing the same angles, then they can definitely be seen different ringside.
Hence every fucking week people moaning and groaning about fixed judging.
everyone else at ringside agreed with @smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat proves the point. You accept Froch could have won 3 rounds watching on TV with the influence of camera angles, commentary, punch stats and replays.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The judges and people ringside are watching from a totally different perspective. If rounds can be interpreted different from the TV, where everyone is viewing the same angles, then they can definitely be seen different ringside.
Hence every fucking week people moaning and groaning about fixed judging.
dont come with all the persective voodoo shit, the judging was even more shocking than the stoppage
You only have to look at fightscorecollecters site to see virtually every week one or two journalists score totally different to the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44everyone else at ringside agreed with @smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat proves the point. You accept Froch could have won 3 rounds watching on TV with the influence of camera angles, commentary, punch stats and replays.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The judges and people ringside are watching from a totally different perspective. If rounds can be interpreted different from the TV, where everyone is viewing the same angles, then they can definitely be seen different ringside.
Hence every fucking week people moaning and groaning about fixed judging.
dont come with all the persective voodoo shit, the judging was even more shocking than the stoppage
If an impartial ringside observer, that has years of experience in boxing, can get the same score as the judges then it's possible. That's all i'm saying.
(And all you conspiracy cunts need a good hiding)
I said at an absolute push Froch won 3 , fuck I struggle to give him 2 personally.
Listen I've sat ringside many, many times and im talking directly behind Jim Watt etc and at times with my elbows on the canvas taking pics and there is no way 2 out of 3 proffesional 'judges' can possibly get it that wrong no way in a million years is that even possible, its really not as hard as you think sitting ringside to score a fight , I used to do mine all the time on a bit of paper and was never anywhere near that far wrong and (these guys are "professionals" scoring a world title fight ?) not even close and a lot of other young press guys would do the same and again same outcome, maybe a point here or there but never a huge blatant swing in the opposite direction of what everyone else saw.
Pisses me off when people defend dodgy judging/reffing as it harms the sport and fucks up fighters lives and careers.
Its no different to goal line technology in football, people had enough of bad dodgy descisions effecting results and something was finally done to stop it ever happening again.
Boxing needs to follow suit, do the same ,ban them and give the fighter a fair chance.
Simple really.
Also....
Where were all these scoring punches that Froch landed?
There were none apart from the odd few early a few more in spats mid rounds then obviously the 9th and bar the 9th none that made him look like he dominated any one round at all.
People need to wake up and realise boxing is still heavily corrupt and always will be and until its sorted fighters like Groves will continue to get shafted left right and centre.
I really wanna see rematch because I think Groves will do the same again early then just go all out and win it inside 2 rounds instead of holding back.
In hindsight I bet he's beating himself up bad for doing that.
one or two journalists isn't the two judges at ringsideQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou only have to look at fightscorecollecters site to see virtually every week one or two journalists score totally different to the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44everyone else at ringside agreed with @smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat proves the point. You accept Froch could have won 3 rounds watching on TV with the influence of camera angles, commentary, punch stats and replays.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The judges and people ringside are watching from a totally different perspective. If rounds can be interpreted different from the TV, where everyone is viewing the same angles, then they can definitely be seen different ringside.
Hence every fucking week people moaning and groaning about fixed judging.
dont come with all the persective voodoo shit, the judging was even more shocking than the stoppage
If an impartial ringside observer, that has years of experience in boxing, can get the same score as the judges then it's possible. That's all i'm saying.
(And all you conspiracy cunts need a good hiding)
the fight wasn't an even fight theres no doubt about that
You think Froch beat Kessler the first time which is a minority position. That means you were scoring rounds for Froch that the majority were scoring for Kessler. Why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44one or two journalists isn't the two judges at ringsideQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou only have to look at fightscorecollecters site to see virtually every week one or two journalists score totally different to the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44everyone else at ringside agreed with @smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat proves the point. You accept Froch could have won 3 rounds watching on TV with the influence of camera angles, commentary, punch stats and replays.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
The judges and people ringside are watching from a totally different perspective. If rounds can be interpreted different from the TV, where everyone is viewing the same angles, then they can definitely be seen different ringside.
Hence every fucking week people moaning and groaning about fixed judging.
dont come with all the persective voodoo shit, the judging was even more shocking than the stoppage
If an impartial ringside observer, that has years of experience in boxing, can get the same score as the judges then it's possible. That's all i'm saying.
(And all you conspiracy cunts need a good hiding)
the fight wasn't an even fight theres no doubt about that
Either you're corrupt, incompetent or was possibly seeing some rounds different to the majority?
Tune in next week you'll get a shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup