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Agree or disagree and why..
Brother, this one ain't the fight for Pacquiao...
Tito's footwork was so clumsy I have hard time picturing him catching pac enough times to put him in trouble..Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Tito cant punch on the move which is what's necessary to trade with pac.. he needs to plant his foot to punch and pac wo6ldnt be there for him.
terrible match up for tito. tito has major problems with movement. pac would be all over the ring. i would predict an easy UD for pac or maybe even a late TKO. tito does has enough power to derail pac with a few good shots but who knows if that would happen.
Im sure Pac would get caught a few times but not enough to throw him off his game..Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
It would be like the Margarito fight all over again..
I agree. Tito was a powerful puncher but he was pretty one dimensional. I always felt he was overrated and movers gave him the most trouble. I'd say Pac would've boxed his ears off. I'm fully expecting people to disagree with that but it's just my opinion.
I agree 100%. Pac had the speed to keep Tito off balance all night, while lighting him up with sharp combos.
Pac all the way.
If the fight ever happened Pacquiao better not get tagged by Trinidad, cause if he couldn't take Marquez' punches no way in hell would he stand up to Trinidad's who hit harder than Margacheato, Cotto, and DLH, people are trying to make him a lot more one dimensional than he really was, cause the guy knew how to cut off the ring, he knew how to work the head and body, and knew how to finish a guy off, Pacquiao would have a good chance cause of speed and movement, but if he tried to slug it out or tried to tie up he'd get busted up and badly
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Let's be fair, he took a TON of JMM's punches over 4 rounds. He only got felled by a PERFECT punch that he literally leaped into.
At 147, I'd have to with Tito!
he still has been rocked by lesser punchers in the past, Trinidad was p4p one of the biggest punchers ever, even in stoppages where he didn't knock his opponent out look at the damage he inflicted for example his win over ThiamQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Let's be fair, he took a TON of JMM's punches over 4 rounds. He only got felled by a PERFECT punch that he literally leaped into.
1,000% disagree. Pac hasn't fought anyone like Tito at 147. Trinidad had HUGE power and if Pac got blasted out by JMM then he'd really be counting sheep if he stepped in with Trinidad. Also, Pacquiao is not a slick boxer/master tactician so he wouldn't make Tito look foolish like Wright did.
I just don't see Tito having the handspeed to catch Pac with anything signifcant on a consistent basis.
Pac is a very slick boxer, not in a Winky Wright or Bhop way, but in his own way where he can dart it, throw major heat, and dart out without getting hit. Trinidad doesn't have the counter punching ability of JMM, or the foot and hand speed to really track Pac down.
I think Pac is poison for Trinidad.
I think Tito most likely knocks him out. Tito had issues with movement because he started to look to get set once he discovered his power. He was not always a stalker. Manny's rinse and repeat attack is not the kind of movement that gives Tito problems and in fact Tito fed on that. It was what finally got Manny leveled. It would not take Tito 4 fights to get it right. Timing negates speed and Tito was one of the best in the business. A great counter puncher which is overlooked because of his power.Tito was a big welter and an even bigger puncher. Even a glancing blow from him would be heavier then a flush shot from Marquez.
Wow, I had no idea the extent of the damage that the JMM KO did to people's perceptions of Pacquaio. I've never really been a big pac fan, but it makes me feel bad for the guy.
Tito would have caught up with Manny, he was too big, strong and powerful. Movers gave him problems but he always caught up with them and generally smashed them to pieces.
Trinidad was a monster at 147. He would have stopped Pacquiao!
I'm sure Pac would want a catchweight of 145 and would win a easy decision over Tito who would be badly dehydrated come fight night. :)
At 147 Pacs best win was destroying Cotto most of the other fights he won were not really that great bigger names where well on there way out then he lost to Jmm but got gift and then knocked out. I don't think Pac would of moved up if the talent pool there was not on the decline and Mayweather out.
Unlike tito, marquez has speed, footwork, exceptional countering ability and is able to punch with pacquaio which is what gave him fits..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
On top of that, he has very high ring iq and was the only guy to figure pac out enough to get his timing down..
Are u saying tito has these traits? Lol just cuz marquez was able to exploit pacman, u think tito can do the same? Smh
Well it doesnt cost anything to dream pal so dream on ma man.. u might as well try calling out the tooth fairy too..:D
Dude Tito would be huge compared to Pacman and lets but honest he has fought no one close to good as him at 147 really. Oscar was drained and 35, Mosley 40 had not won his last fights Pac did not look good, Cotto good win for him, Clotty pretty much a punching bag who throws sometimes and Jmm who he got a gift and then knocked the fuck out in. The point is the 147 division was kinda there to be taken Mayweather retired everyone left was kinda old and best days were in the 90's. Would be a good fight but Pac is not a boxer like Oscar, Bernard and Wright were not sure if that would help him.
I can see Pac beating Trinidad. He would hit and move. In and out all night. Trinidad would follow him around aimlessly looking as lost as he did against Winky Wright.
I rather see Pac try and deal with Ike Quartey's jab instead. I don't think he would handle it
Pac couldn't get past Morales' jab.. He looked like a deer caught in a headlight in their first meeting..Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I could only imagine how he would handle Quartey's..
Well the thing with Oscar, Bernard and Wright i feel were better at boxing then Pac and had a hell alot more of a jab and reach. I am not sure who wins but i don't think it would be one sided anyway really. Trindad best win may be a robbery but his division was one of toughest in a while he did pretty good.
haha and you actually think that Manos de Lleso would ever put up a better fight than Trinidad? if Margarito was able to "hurt" Pacquiao as you claim with his little dainty fists (seeing how he didn't have his plaster on), Trinidad would be able to hurt him, and seeing how Trinidad was a better boxer and puncher than Margarito could ever have dreamed to be it's logical to say he'd have more success in there than a guy who was slower than molasses, Trinidad didn't have slow feet or hands, he was no DLH but he looked like a Puerto Rican Pacquiao compared to Margarito hahaha, he was more effective in cutting down the ring and if Rios (yes fucking Rios) was able to tie up Pacquiao and bang on him to the body on the inside the effects would have been relevant due to Trinidads power and they would have taken their toll, Tito would usually take over the second half of fights and could easily see his punches having taken their toll on the smaller guy by thenQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaUnlike tito, marquez has speed, footwork, exceptional countering ability and is able to punch with pacquaio which is what gave him fits..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
On top of that, he has very high ring iq and was the only guy to figure pac out enough to get his timing down..
Are u saying tito has these traits? Lol just cuz marquez was able to exploit pacman, u think tito can do the same? Smh
Well it doesnt cost anything to dream pal so dream on ma man.. u might as well try calling out the tooth fairy too..:D
and your logic is fucking hilarious, you say that Pacquiao would school a proven guy and ATG like Trinidad yet a guy who made a living beating nobodies, who was slow as fuck, and even more one dimensional and limited would have knocked Pacquiao and Marquez the fuck out if his cowardly ass wouldn't have offed himself hahahaha guess you've been dreaming so long that well you're beginning to believe in your own nonsense hahaha
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm sure Pac would get caught a few times but not enough to throw him off his game..Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
It would be like the Margarito fight all over again..
Haha... I'll bite on this one too. Wouldn't want you to feel ignored. ;)
Another flawed logic.
Pleeeease. Get real kid. Trinidad would throw three left hooks in the time it took Margarito to wind up for one punch. Let's start with that. Yeah.... Pac's fast and quick. But we're talking 147, Trinidad's best division by far. Well... that and 154. But Trinidad fought and beat plenty of fast fighters during his climb to the top. You probably choose not to remember (or weren't around then). World's best boxer? Definitely not. But good enough to only see defeat against three bigger guys (Hopkins, Wright, RJJ).
Oh... and Pac "would get caught a few times but not enough to throw him off his game"? Wrong again. I'm a Pac fan, and I know he's got a pretty good chin. But if JMM can put him to sleep with one punch, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Trinidad knocks him out when he tags him with one punch also.
Against the "hands of concrete", Manny doesn't stand a chance, no cheating.... Manny still loses cause here at Saddo... I've yet to see PAC win any of these hypothetical, dream fights. ;D
This is surely one dumb way, be it by design or consequence, to bring down the name of Manny which now is on a high in view of his win against Rios. Rain on his parade...
Dumbness the level by which dares to imply that people are dull and are uninformed to the fact that after Hopkin's trainer caught the "illegal wraps" that has won Tito Trinidad many a fight... (possibly all --this time trying to beat Bernard to depart his senses with) This Trinidad fella', undefeated at this point, has not won any other significant fight since. Well, Mayorga... if one would think so, I say, not!
Damaged reputations as with Trinidad's are better swept under the rug rather than stacking it up against legitimate ones. Better keep it under wraps. The "gray matter" compensates... Discuss it more, then you endanger the ugly truth to come out to damage further this, IMO, already and has always been a non-existent reputation, for good!
There!
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Originally Posted by KananKrus
Lol. Ridiculous. This is about Tito at 147 not Tito post Hopkins at 160. I think Tito beats him for reasons I have already stated so dont start with this lame conspiracy theory that people are trying to character assassinate Manny because he beat up a tree trunk with arms. And enough with the illegal wraps in Tito's gloves. It was horse shit then and it is horse shit now. Urban legend that sticks around.
Trinidad didn't have to be a master boxer to beat a Pac. You got a guy maxed going up to -147(ish) and a guy prime at 147 and able to move up and impress there. Size, straight up one punch impact and while Trinidad was not a clever counter puncher his hand speed was top notch, he got off very very fast be it round or straight shots. I think the feet are equal with Trinidad too forward-back and Manny in a 90 degree angle...get in off left , get off, back out, slide off, rinse repeat. Tito had hyper happy power and it gets around Mannys pattern and over thinking for a win.
I think Pacquiao could win a decision, but Trinidad would probably knock him out. Tito wasn't a master boxer, but he could box and his power was hellacious at welterweight. He would be a lot better than any of the bigger men Pacquiao fought, if we take him at his best I don't see how Pacquiao actually goes about fighting him. All of the guys who beat Tito were much bigger than Manny and much more technically sound for that matter, Pacquiao would try and exchange at some point and get iced out imo.
They dont call him Cheato for nothing. Not only did he try to put bricks around his fists but he cheated against vargas while on the verge of getting knocked out. He went straight for the nuts numerous times to escape the heat..
Pac is too much for him..
Trinidad would KO Pacquiao worse than Marquez did!
Only if he can catch him;) his footwork is so herky jerky he might twist an ankle trying to catch pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
It would be like a wannabe kung fu master attempting to catch a fly with chopsticks.
Have you actually seen many of Trinidad's fights at 147? Pacquiao's health would be in danger.
I'm pretty sure I could catch a fly with chopsticks if you gave me a few rounds, so that analogy probably stands.
Yeah well there is no cure for Stupid. Some still believe the world is flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
*Tito had a flaw in his game... he couldn't fight boxers. he couldn't fight fast movers. I hear a lot of "boxing experts" call Pac a slugger... he's far from a slugger. the guy has serious skill, serious boxing ability... ALSO, Tito's chin wasn't the best. No one ever really got a chance to test it cuz Tito had heavy fkn hands, but when Tito got hit, he either went down or was wobbled. It happened many time in his career. Manny would hit Tito and fk him up... there's no way Tito see's the 10th.
*I watched an old Salvador Sanches fight the other day...man, if u get a chance, check it out..i think it was the Gomez KO... but man, it looked like Pac's style. It's weird cuz u don't notice it until u go back and see it again... of course, it's still very different...but u can see a lot of in and out, bobbing and weaving 1,2,3 then weave out...constant motion., ill see if I can download it,..Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaOnly if he can catch him;) his footwork is so herky jerky he might twist an ankle trying to catch pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
It would be like a wannabe kung fu master attempting to catch a fly with chopsticks.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Tito would catch up with Manny eventually as he caught up with Carr and ODH he was too powerful for the little man.