Knee

I have got knackered knees playing football for 30 odd years and was injured July this year. I had been training on non-impact exercises like cross trainer and bike since the injury and my only motivation was to get back playing. I Played football this Sunday at the park with my mates after 4 months off with my £180 predator boots and ran all over the place. Really enjoyed it and scored a quality goal. :)

Walking back home my knee was hurting and later that evening I could hardly walk on it. I think this is finally it the end of my football career, I am really sad and depressed. :(

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Originally Posted by Master

I have got knackered knees playing football for 30 odd years and was injured July this year. I had been training on non-impact exercises like cross trainer and bike since the injury and my only motivation was to get back playing. I Played football this Sunday at the park with my mates after 4 months off with my £180 predator boots and ran all over the place. Really enjoyed it and scored a quality goal. :)

Walking back home my knee was hurting and later that evening I could hardly walk on it. I think this is finally it the end of my football career, I am really sad and depressed. :(

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There is hope, without knee replacements.
Injections of your own blood platelets into the knee joints rebuilds your own cartilage, 6 times over 6 weeks.

The cure seems worse then the injury;D

Funny you'd say that! I'm in the boat:mad: I have really bad knees for my age, largely a genetic thing. My dad was one of 7 siblings not to get his replaced before 60ish and that's only because he didn't bother to, he was half crippled for the last few years of his life. I have a medical phobia and fear of needles that would put Manny Pacquiao to utter shame, I was told I had osteoarthritis in my knees but had a few things recommended before I actually need injections, and they have really been helping fingers crossed.
Stretch religiously! try folding a towel really tightly and kneeling with in under the joints for one Master. Never do any serious exercise without warming up and stretching before and after, especially if it's in cold weather. Never EVER run on pavement, some people can handle it but it's fucking brutal if you have joint problems. Take glucosamine, eat lots of green veggies and omega 3's along with that.

i have had several knee operations, last one was last september

i now have grade 2 arthiritus in my right knee, the grading goes to 4 apparently, at grade 2 it is very uncomfortable most of the time

i am waiting on a cortisone injection at the minute, it will be my first

one doctor i saw suggested by the time i am 55 i will need a knee replacement

my injuries were also brought on through playing football, i had to stop at 30 and then took up distance running / triathalon and boxing, all more strain on the knee, i wasnt about to become a fat cunt tho

I've had a cortisone shot in my shoulder....didn't do much for me really, just made my shoulder feel pressure like the joint was surrounded by water or something. It didn't ease the pain or make me feel any stronger or trust that I could smack someone with my shoulder without it causing me great pain.


That's a shame about your knee Master. Getting old isn't for the weak

That is useful information and much appreciated. Sadly I have to go through the NHS system which is slow

I have to go through GP who will try and push me to see a physio (who are cheaper than being referred to a consultant) but they cannot do anything for me.
I will want to be referred to a specialist knee consultant which will take months.
Consultant will then do an X ray when an MRI is required.
Take another appointment for MRI
Options - do nothing and live with it, steroid injection, arthroscopy surgery
I will take the surgery route and hope it clears it up.

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That is useful information and much appreciated. Sadly I have to go through the NHS system which is slow

I have to go through GP who will try and push me to see a physio (who are cheaper than being referred to a consultant) but they cannot do anything for me.
I will want to be referred to a specialist knee consultant which will take months.
Consultant will then do an X ray when an MRI is required.
Take another appointment for MRI
Options - do nothing and live with it, steroid injection, arthroscopy surgery
I will take the surgery route and hope it clears it up.

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Take them off above the knee. Problem solved;D

If I could transplant them from Usain Bolt that would be great.

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I do not think the NHS provide this.

Tell me you have at least been swimming.

Hope it improves for you man. Knee pain is brutal! I mashed mine up over the years doing alot of stupid things and over the last few years they seemingly take turns turning up the ache. Start of the year I went down heavy with a big Shepherd and it felt like someone stabbed my kneee with a dull butterknife, every step it felt like it could kick in backwards! As soon as that stopped, the left started going numb?! I better stop complaining though for fear that they will get on the same page one day and I won't have a decent knee to over compensate on ;D Getting old sucks bud.

Knee pain will really f*<k you up. Impedes so much on one's activities, plus the pain wears you down.
Mine was temporary, two times with really bad bursitis, had trouble just walking the stairs in the house, needed a walking stick outdoors. My heart goes out to those where it's chronic and gets worse.

From limping on a bad knee for years and refusing to get any treatment, my pal's other knee and lower back is getting painful now because the years of hobbling off-kilter has thrown the rest of him out of whack.
Oh well, at least he has knees. I have a pal who's been in a wheel chair since I think about 1985, drunken driving, crashed, single vehicle accident, broke his back.

Y'know, since the ufc took off big time in 2005 because of the ultimate fighter tv show, I bet there must be many thousands upon thousands of young idiot teenage boys who've really f*<ked their knees by smashing them into heavy bags and whatnot....

Im 55 my mri showed replacment is the only option left as the cartilage is all but gone and osteoarthritis is there. I was shocked considering what I get up to. They recon its so bad if I want to I could head the public list and be next off the trolley anytime I want to. But they have said doing what I do I would wear the new rails out in 5 years or less and they only get two shots at fixing them then you are on your own so they recon try to stretch my time out because they advance the technology every year as well.
Fish oil in volume is a help. I always thought they cut your whole knee out and bang a new metal joint into either bones. This is bullshit ,they remove al the shit that annoys you from within the join then they screw in titanium rails top and bottom either side of either bone so the rails glide on each other.

I have not done swimming I know it is a good exercise but it is just not convenient.

I have the cross trainer/bike two in one which has built up the muscles of my knees but the real problem is in the knees themselves.

I think I have arthritis in both of them. The right knee has had an ACL operation 2006 and is generally fine, the left knee has no ligament and is weaker which is why I think the bone rubs on the bone and I get the severe pain.

I have a doctors appointment Monday and have to lie to him that the problem was caused by running as they have advised me not to play football.

I do not want to get to a stage where I have to stop the basics such as cycling and cross trainer because of the knee because I would definitely end up obese and die of heart disease.

I really want to play football again and have a laugh with my mates. I do not regret the football I have played loved every second of it.

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I have not done swimming I know it is a good exercise but it is just not convenient.

I have the cross trainer/bike two in one which has built up the muscles of my knees but the real problem is in the knees themselves.

I think I have arthritis in both of them. The right knee has had an ACL operation 2006 and is generally fine, the left knee has no ligament and is weaker which is why I think the bone rubs on the bone and I get the severe pain.

I have a doctors appointment Monday and have to lie to him that the problem was caused by running as they have advised me not to play football.

I do not want to get to a stage where I have to stop the basics such as cycling and cross trainer because of the knee because I would definitely end up obese and die of heart disease.

I really want to play football again and have a laugh with my mates. I do not regret the football I have played loved every second of it.

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Rowing is a great exercise and less stressful on the knees.

Take a rest and dont put anymore stress on your kness until a proper diagnosis is carried out.

Does your current job affect your knee?

No just an office job, did some cycling exercise today but only 20 minutes. It did not hurt that much but not motivated to do more.

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I have not done swimming I know it is a good exercise but it is just not convenient.

I have the cross trainer/bike two in one which has built up the muscles of my knees but the real problem is in the knees themselves.

I think I have arthritis in both of them. The right knee has had an ACL operation 2006 and is generally fine, the left knee has no ligament and is weaker which is why I think the bone rubs on the bone and I get the severe pain.

I have a doctors appointment Monday and have to lie to him that the problem was caused by running as they have advised me not to play football.

I do not want to get to a stage where I have to stop the basics such as cycling and cross trainer because of the knee because I would definitely end up obese and die of heart disease.

I really want to play football again and have a laugh with my mates. I do not regret the football I have played loved every second of it.

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Any steps leading up to where you work? I bet it hurts the worse of all going up and down them.

Inclined slopes are hell on mine, specially going downhill.

After the mild exercise the knee got worse. I really feel like an invalid and thoroughly pissed off with the knee. People have been saying I have been limping and I have ignored them and this explains by bad back.

Doctor referred me to consultant for appointment 25th February.

Still cannot walk properly and have not trained since which makes me feel lazy and fat.

Try laying down on your back and peddling your legs from the hips reduces the knee impact and the bend of the knee joint, you may just reset your back into place too,plus its better cardio exercise than when you stand even move your arms as well.
Could do some leg raises while you watch tv ,or lift whole body up and down on your ankles while standing etc. You can support your knee on an exercise ball and do all sorts of reverse pulling and light pressure holds etc to keep the strength up without doing more damage.

Can you ride your bike ok? My mate has healed his split cartilage by increasing his bike riding to comp level,they wanted to do the arthroscope thing with his but he is all better now after a couple of years of self management.He hasnt gone back to soccer though.But looking at him i bet he could if he didnt have these other interests.He was the same as me if he caught the inside of his foot on anything like a chair leg etc, the knee would be like a knife going through it,other stuff less so.

fish oil tabs (cheap brand in large volume helps too)from others and my own experience it isnt the quality its the volume.some take up to 12 a day.That certainly stops you waking up in pain.

Great advice Andre, never thought about exercising now but could do some stretching and mild exercise as you suggest with no impact.

I never like taking tablets even aspirins, but will consider the fish oils.

I can ride the bike and I use to ride for miles on Sunday but found it boring and dangerous.

I can only see one out come, I shall take you out for one last drink,:drunks: then I
shall ask Lyle to shoot you.:lyle::lolololol:

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I can only see one out come, I shall take you out for one last drink,:drunks: then I
shall ask Lyle to shoot you.:lyle::lolololol:

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I may be hung like a horse but that is where the similarities end.

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Great advice Andre, never thought about exercising now but could do some stretching and mild exercise as you suggest with no impact.

I never like taking tablets even aspirins, but will consider the fish oils.

I can ride the bike and I use to ride for miles on Sunday but found it boring and dangerous.

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Ask Scrap about excersizing on your back. You heal twice as fast as your nervous system is relaxed and yet your cardio is more intense so more blood flows to your worn areas.

Support the knee with a ball or something,squeeze the ball backwards onto your calf etc.

Watch tv with bal under your knee squeeze it roll your knee over on side and squeeze all that sort of thing,trial and errror Just dont repeat anything that hurts.

Had my appointment and the consultant believes I need a knee replacement which at my age is very young. My knee must be really be in a bad way if he is considering that.

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Had my appointment and the consultant believes I need a knee replacement which at my age is very young. My knee must be really be in a bad way if he is considering that.

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Yikes....that's rough brother. Good luck with all that

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Had my appointment and the consultant believes I need a knee replacement which at my age is very young. My knee must be really be in a bad way if he is considering that.

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Yikes....that's rough brother. Good luck with all that

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Reading up on it at the moment and looks like I will never be able to play sports again.

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I used to get terrible shin splints and then my older brothers buddy from Hong Kong told me about this ancient rubbing compound used for centuries. He got me some and it was as thin as water. He told me rub it on but only one way downward towards the foot. It cured my shin splints. I think rats as crazy as it sounds might be part of its makeup. If you have a China town near by it might be worth looking into. It may at least provide some relief.

Btw I remember the smell was rank. Almost eye watering.

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I used to get terrible shin splints and then my older brothers buddy from Hong Kong told me about this ancient rubbing compound used for centuries. He got me some and it was as thin as water. He told me rub it on but only one way downward towards the foot. It cured my shin splints. I think rats as crazy as it sounds might be part of its makeup. If you have a China town near by it might be worth looking into. It may at least provide some relief.

Btw I remember the smell was rank. Almost eye watering.

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Sounds like some sort of oil but I think the problem is more fundamental than that.

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My cross trainer does that.

I am talking about being able to play football and run which is proper impact on the knee.

I have seen how they do the replacement and it will hurt.

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My cross trainer does that.

I am talking about being able to play football and run which is proper impact on the knee.

I have seen how they do the replacement and it will hurt.

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Your cross trainer doesnt ;D.

Biking is usually less intense on the joints.

Bad news but this isn't the end, there is plenty you can still do.

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Biking is usually less intense on the joints.

Bad news but this isn't the end, there is plenty you can still do.

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I started to ride a bike to go to work and it does help strengthen the muscles.

What about platelet injections, they grow back your cartridge over 10 weeks.

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My cross trainer does that.

I am talking about being able to play football and run which is proper impact on the knee.

I have seen how they do the replacement and it will hurt.

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Your cross trainer doesnt ;D.

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Are there a few machines over the country now Scrap, or only in Sheffield still?

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What about platelet injections, they grow back your cartridge over 10 weeks.

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I can ask him, I will see him in 3 months but he said all cartlidge is gone and it is bone on bone and bending in an outward direction.

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My cross trainer does that.

I am talking about being able to play football and run which is proper impact on the knee.

I have seen how they do the replacement and it will hurt.

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Your cross trainer doesnt ;D.

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Are there a few machines over the country now Scrap, or only in Sheffield still?

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Just a couple at university's, keep finding new things about its capability's, great fun
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@Andre the NHS gave me this to wear which is actually good when I am on the bike and cross trainer as I feel no pain afterwards.