Sakio Bika underated

Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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Originally Posted by ross

Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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When people are picking Chavez Jr over him, even after Chavez last fight, he is being under rated!

Name another top super middle who has managed to have 3 fights this year? Or last 3 opponents undefeated?

Bika is an animal and is good for boxing. He gets through his fights on will alone and shows that anyone can win and become a world champion no matter how limited, as long as they have an iron will.

Bika is tough and dirty as they come, guys like Granit he is all-over you like a rash hard to stop
limited yes, but hard to stop underrated indeed.:)

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Originally Posted by ross

Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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When people are picking Chavez Jr over him, even after Chavez last fight, he is being under rated!

Name another top super middle who has managed to have 3 fights this year? Or last 3 opponents undefeated?

Bika is an animal and is good for boxing. He gets through his fights on will alone and shows that anyone can win and become a world champion no matter how limited, as long as they have an iron will.

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I never said he wasn't tough, or had the heart or will to win- but when we see other skilled fighters and then we look at him, we have to say that his skills are limited and it's probably why most observers don't take him seriously.

The question always lingers- when he gets in there with top flight fighters, what would happen? He will always be the underdog in fights. That's just the way it will be for him UNLESS he can show better skills.

Not that he won't win out the majority of his next fights, but he will be a nightmare for bookies and gaming-houses around the world. And nobody wants to mess with a bookie's spread!
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Originally Posted by ross

Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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When people are picking Chavez Jr over him, even after Chavez last fight, he is being under rated!

Name another top super middle who has managed to have 3 fights this year? Or last 3 opponents undefeated?

Bika is an animal and is good for boxing. He gets through his fights on will alone and shows that anyone can win and become a world champion no matter how limited, as long as they have an iron will.

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I never said he wasn't tough, or had the heart or will to win- but when we see other skilled fighters and then we look at him, we have to say that his skills are limited and it's probably why most observers don't take him seriously.

The question always lingers- when he gets in there with top flight fighters, what would happen? He will always be the underdog in fights. That's just the way it will be for him UNLESS he can show better skills.

Not that he won't win out the majority of his next fights, but he will be a nightmare for bookies and gaming-houses around the world. And nobody wants to mess with a bookie's spread!
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You better believe Ward takes him seriously!

I think we all agree that Ward is todays best super middle and Bika nearly had him out at the end of their fight. If the refs stopped Ward holding he would have been at least dropped. He couldn't ope and had to hold.

Bika also gave Calzaghe one of his hardest fights. Its not as easy as saying that Ward doesn't get hit much then look at Bika and laugh because when the two actually fought Bika had more success than anyone else ever has had against Ward and treated him like a rag doll;)

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Originally Posted by ross

Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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When people are picking Chavez Jr over him, even after Chavez last fight, he is being under rated!

Name another top super middle who has managed to have 3 fights this year? Or last 3 opponents undefeated?

Bika is an animal and is good for boxing. He gets through his fights on will alone and shows that anyone can win and become a world champion no matter how limited, as long as they have an iron will.

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I never said he wasn't tough, or had the heart or will to win- but when we see other skilled fighters and then we look at him, we have to say that his skills are limited and it's probably why most observers don't take him seriously.

The question always lingers- when he gets in there with top flight fighters, what would happen? He will always be the underdog in fights. That's just the way it will be for him UNLESS he can show better skills.

Not that he won't win out the majority of his next fights, but he will be a nightmare for bookies and gaming-houses around the world. And nobody wants to mess with a bookie's spread!
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You better believe Ward takes him seriously!

I think we all agree that Ward is todays best super middle and Bika nearly had him out at the end of their fight. If the refs stopped Ward holding he would have been at least dropped. He couldn't ope and had to hold.

Bika also gave Calzaghe one of his hardest fights. Its not as easy as saying that Ward doesn't get hit much then look at Bika and laugh because when the two actually fought Bika had more success than anyone else ever has had against Ward and treated him like a rag doll;)

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Bika is a wild-man. Lets call it that.

Bika is very underrated and has been for years.

A lot of people suggest that Bute was protected and fought nothing but hand picked patsies up here in Canada, but I think the fact that he chose to bring up and fight Bika disproves that notion alone.

Bika of course is limited, but he is a true warrior and very game. Other than the DQ to Mendy and an early MD to Soliman, he has only lost to real upper-echelon fighters in his career.

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Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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When people are picking Chavez Jr over him, even after Chavez last fight, he is being under rated!

Name another top super middle who has managed to have 3 fights this year? Or last 3 opponents undefeated?

Bika is an animal and is good for boxing. He gets through his fights on will alone and shows that anyone can win and become a world champion no matter how limited, as long as they have an iron will.

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I never said he wasn't tough, or had the heart or will to win- but when we see other skilled fighters and then we look at him, we have to say that his skills are limited and it's probably why most observers don't take him seriously.

The question always lingers- when he gets in there with top flight fighters, what would happen? He will always be the underdog in fights. That's just the way it will be for him UNLESS he can show better skills.

Not that he won't win out the majority of his next fights, but he will be a nightmare for bookies and gaming-houses around the world. And nobody wants to mess with a bookie's spread!
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You better believe Ward takes him seriously!

I think we all agree that Ward is todays best super middle and Bika nearly had him out at the end of their fight. If the refs stopped Ward holding he would have been at least dropped. He couldn't ope and had to hold.

Bika also gave Calzaghe one of his hardest fights. Its not as easy as saying that Ward doesn't get hit much then look at Bika and laugh because when the two actually fought Bika had more success than anyone else ever has had against Ward and treated him like a rag doll;)

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Bikas just as dirty as Ward. Throws his head around. Holds, Holds and punches. Bika beat 2 undefeated fighters but those were undefeated fighters with bloated records. Periban was shit and he scraped through that. Periban reminded me of Chavez in that he was a fat bastard, certainly not a "class super middleweight". Its a pretty poor division at the moment so hes lucky hes in with a bad bunch, but theres still plenty there who can beat him.

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Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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Not underrated. Just limited.

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When people are picking Chavez Jr over him, even after Chavez last fight, he is being under rated!

Name another top super middle who has managed to have 3 fights this year? Or last 3 opponents undefeated?

Bika is an animal and is good for boxing. He gets through his fights on will alone and shows that anyone can win and become a world champion no matter how limited, as long as they have an iron will.

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I never said he wasn't tough, or had the heart or will to win- but when we see other skilled fighters and then we look at him, we have to say that his skills are limited and it's probably why most observers don't take him seriously.

The question always lingers- when he gets in there with top flight fighters, what would happen? He will always be the underdog in fights. That's just the way it will be for him UNLESS he can show better skills.

Not that he won't win out the majority of his next fights, but he will be a nightmare for bookies and gaming-houses around the world. And nobody wants to mess with a bookie's spread!
;D

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You better believe Ward takes him seriously!

I think we all agree that Ward is todays best super middle and Bika nearly had him out at the end of their fight. If the refs stopped Ward holding he would have been at least dropped. He couldn't ope and had to hold.

Bika also gave Calzaghe one of his hardest fights. Its not as easy as saying that Ward doesn't get hit much then look at Bika and laugh because when the two actually fought Bika had more success than anyone else ever has had against Ward and treated him like a rag doll;)

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Bikas just as dirty as Ward. Throws his head around. Holds, Holds and punches. Bika beat 2 undefeated fighters but those were undefeated fighters with bloated records. Periban was shit and he scraped through that. Periban reminded me of Chavez in that he was a fat bastard, certainly not a "class super middleweight". Its a pretty poor division at the moment so hes lucky hes in with a bad bunch, but theres still plenty there who can beat him.

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How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man;D

How is Periban shit? Watch his fights. He's not class. He gets beat by any reasonably good boxer. His technique is poor, he is slow and he's not in shape.

I didn't say Bika isn't a warrior and he's involved in good fights so I like him he's just not world class.

Unbeaten fighters doesn't mean much. Look at the amount of unbeaten bums Matchroom finds to feed to their fighters.

Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

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How is Periban shit? Watch his fights. He's not class. He gets beat by any reasonably good boxer. His technique is poor, he is slow and he's not in shape.

I didn't say Bika isn't a warrior and he's involved in good fights so I like him he's just not world class.

Unbeaten fighters doesn't mean much. Look at the amount of unbeaten bums Matchroom finds to feed to their fighters.

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Unbeaten fighters who can handle the likes of Darnell Boone with such ease as swatting a fly are not shit.

Look at Stevenson, he got splattered by Boone first time round, he needed a second attempt and even then he's not good enough to do it in the first round and that was this year!

Kovalev also got dropped by Boone and pushed to points in their first fight and needed a second fight and he could not do it in e first round either.

Ward also struggled and got dropped by Boone but not Periban, he went through him like a hot knife through butter.

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How is Periban shit? Watch his fights. He's not class. He gets beat by any reasonably good boxer. His technique is poor, he is slow and he's not in shape.

I didn't say Bika isn't a warrior and he's involved in good fights so I like him he's just not world class.

Unbeaten fighters doesn't mean much. Look at the amount of unbeaten bums Matchroom finds to feed to their fighters.

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Unbeaten fighters who can handle the likes of Darnell Boone with such ease as swatting a fly are not shit.

Look at Stevenson, he got splattered by Boone first time round, he needed a second attempt and even then he's not good enough to do it in the first round and that was this year!

Kovalev also got dropped by Boone and pushed to points in their first fight and needed a second fight and he could not do it in e first round either.

Ward also struggled and got dropped by Boone but not Periban, he went through him like a hot knife through butter.

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Jesus your right. Periban is better then Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev. And since Bika beat Periban he must be P4P number 1. Come Ross start the campaign. Bika for Foty

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How is Periban shit? Watch his fights. He's not class. He gets beat by any reasonably good boxer. His technique is poor, he is slow and he's not in shape.

I didn't say Bika isn't a warrior and he's involved in good fights so I like him he's just not world class.

Unbeaten fighters doesn't mean much. Look at the amount of unbeaten bums Matchroom finds to feed to their fighters.

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Unbeaten fighters who can handle the likes of Darnell Boone with such ease as swatting a fly are not shit.

Look at Stevenson, he got splattered by Boone first time round, he needed a second attempt and even then he's not good enough to do it in the first round and that was this year!

Kovalev also got dropped by Boone and pushed to points in their first fight and needed a second fight and he could not do it in e first round either.

Ward also struggled and got dropped by Boone but not Periban, he went through him like a hot knife through butter.

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Jesus your right. Periban is better then Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev. And since Bika beat Periban he must be P4P number 1. Come Ross start the campaign. Bika for Foty

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You don't like Periban because he doesn't have your desired, homo, erotic sculpted body? That fat slow body was more resilliant against Bika than Wards was. Periban didnt have to resort to holding like a baby chimp!

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Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

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That about covers it.

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Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

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That about covers it.

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Not really. Even if he hadnt ran like a twat in the last round he wouldnt have won, or shouldnt have. Even the commentators who were american had Bika ahead by 2 points and that accomodating the point deduction and knockdown!

So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

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Bika is not a boxer, he is a fighter. He's crude and very, very rude/dirty in the ring. His days as a champion are limited even though he does have the heart of a champion.
Anthony 'The Idiot' Dirrell had the belt in his hands and let it slip away!

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That about covers it.

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Not really. Even if he hadnt ran like a twat in the last round he wouldnt have won, or shouldnt have. Even the commentators who were american had Bika ahead by 2 points and that accomodating the point deduction and knockdown!

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He let him off the hook a couple of times @ross and the announcers well.....they are announcers. He hit a wall mentally after round 5. That was pretty evident last night

I thought Dirrell did enough for the win.

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So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

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Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder:rolleyes:

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

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So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

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Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder:rolleyes:

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

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So to sum up Cunningham who has a low knockout rate , can be more effective at HW giving away up to 45lbs , than a middleweight moving up 8 lbs , well glad we cleared that up.

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So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

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Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder:rolleyes:

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

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So to sum up Cunningham who has a low knockout rate , can be more effective at HW giving away up to 45lbs , than a middleweight moving up 8 lbs , well glad we cleared that up.

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He was though. His performance against Fury he showed more power than he could develope at cruiser.

There are fighters all over the divisions who boil down because they can so they have an advantage in strength. Cruisers boil down so they arent so disadvantaged at heavy which is the only weight where there is no limit on disparity. Abraham had no skill at middle, only strength, he has had no success with any world class supermiddles, unlike the the likes of Eubank and Benn who did.

I dont know why you are getting exciting and turning this in to another mass debate;D about Cunningham/Fury:rolleyes: fighters all know moving up to heavy there is no weight restrictions but yes a skillfull fighter like Cunningham would have more success against the likes of smaller heavies like Adamek, or Adameks bitch Arreola, or Chisora, Stiverne etc than he will with a genuinely big skilled man like Fury. Deffnitely more effective where he hasnt had to cut weight. Even at 210lb against Fury he was ripped to shreds and could easily carry another 10lb before he even remotely starts looking like the likes of Arreola or Stiverne, who by contrast if they were to reduce their body fat content down to Cunninghams would probably weigh less than Steve.

These two blobs both weighed around 245lb in their fit against each other and both could lose 35lb.

http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs105/...7/img/1609.jpg

Now contrast those two to how Steve Cunningham looked on the scales for Fury.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...m4202013_3.jpg

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How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man;D

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So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

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How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man;D

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So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

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Audley had numerous losses including by KO before he fought for a world title.

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How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man;D

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So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

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Audley had numerous losses including by KO before he fought for a world title.

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My point is that Audley had a cracking amatuer record but had done nothing of note as a pro, so he was considered shit. Periban might have had a decent amateur record, but he's achieved nothing as a pro so you can hardly refer to him as a 'top class' Super-Middle can you?

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How is Periban shit?

He was a national amateur champion with wins over the likes of Shawn Porter and he did what your supposed to do to Darnell Boone, he smashed him inside a round and didnt get dropped like Stevenson, Ward and Kovalev!

Its not just 2 undefeated fighters Bika has faced this year its 3. They are unknown quantities until they have faced there first test and Bika was man enough to step in to the unkown 3 times this year against solid proper super middles, not weight drained Yusef Mack or Chad Dawson, or blown up middles like Abraham. Bika is all man;D

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So Periban is class because he had a decent amateur record? Then surely that makes Audley Harrison a valid world class Haye opponent on Haye's record? Olympic Gold Medal winner who lost out at his only shot at a World Title? And you said Haye's record was shit.

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Audley had numerous losses including by KO before he fought for a world title.

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My point is that Audley had a cracking amatuer record but had done nothing of note as a pro, so he was considered shit. Periban might have had a decent amateur record, but he's achieved nothing as a pro so you can hardly refer to him as a 'top class' Super-Middle can you?

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He's done nothing?

He pushed a world champion hard and was unlucky not to get the decision against Jack. All in he has one loss on points to a world champion. Thats one better than George Groves;)

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So you consider a man stepping up from 160 lbs to 168 lbs a blown up middle , however you lorded Steve Cunningham for being a real HW , you make me smile with your double standards , an 8 lb jump is to much , however trying to fight a guy 45 lb above your natural weight is ok , is that what you are saying ?
Were Benn ,Eubank ,Toney , RJJ , McCallum ,Barkley , Nunn etc real super Middles or blown up Middle weights ?
Please explain what you mean.
As for Bika he is a tough fighter , but can be outboxed.

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Compare Cunninghams physique with any other fighter at cruiser and try telling us that isn't a heavyweight cutting down to cruiser...

They graduated up there, they werent made to jump a weight to be name fodder:rolleyes:

Also, yes I realise that Bika can be outboxed but the whole point of this thread is because Bika looks crude that someone as shit as Chavez Jr would not only stand a chance but wipe the floor with Bika when he cant even cut it against mediocre middleweights.

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So to sum up Cunningham who has a low knockout rate , can be more effective at HW giving away up to 45lbs , than a middleweight moving up 8 lbs , well glad we cleared that up.

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He was though. His performance against Fury he showed more power than he could develope at cruiser.

There are fighters all over the divisions who boil down because they can so they have an advantage in strength. Cruisers boil down so they arent so disadvantaged at heavy which is the only weight where there is no limit on disparity. Abraham had no skill at middle, only strength, he has had no success with any world class supermiddles, unlike the the likes of Eubank and Benn who did.

I dont know why you are getting exciting and turning this in to another mass debate;D about Cunningham/Fury:rolleyes: fighters all know moving up to heavy there is no weight restrictions but yes a skillfull fighter like Cunningham would have more success against the likes of smaller heavies like Adamek, or Adameks bitch Arreola, or Chisora, Stiverne etc than he will with a genuinely big skilled man like Fury. Deffnitely more effective where he hasnt had to cut weight. Even at 210lb against Fury he was ripped to shreds and could easily carry another 10lb before he even remotely starts looking like the likes of Arreola or Stiverne, who by contrast if they were to reduce their body fat content down to Cunninghams would probably weigh less than Steve.

These two blobs both weighed around 245lb in their fit against each other and both could lose 35lb.

http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs105/...7/img/1609.jpg

Now contrast those two to how Steve Cunningham looked on the scales for Fury.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...m4202013_3.jpg

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Keep clinging on to a hope , fact Holyfield was a banger at CW , he moved to HW and became a respectable hitter , Cunningham couldn't punch at CW , and the reason he floored Fury was not that he could hit at HW it is because Fury has a glass jaw, not because cunningham suddenly became a major hitter at HW.
You are a delusional fool clinging on to your love for fury.
As for Bika. He is a workmanlike good fighter who will lose his title soon , but he will give his all in every fight.

Holyfield took growth hormone to move up!

He was a cruiser when the cruiser limit was only 190lb. Look at Cunninghams body on the scales for Fury, do you think he could lose 20lb? Cunningham is more a natural heavy than Holyfield.

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Holyfield took growth hormone to move up!

He was a cruiser when the cruiser limit was only 190lb. Look at Cunninghams body on the scales for Fury, do you think he could lose 20lb? Cunningham is more a natural heavy than Holyfield.

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What I'm saying is Holyfield was a puncher at CW. And was a respectable puncher at HW. ,
Cunningham couldn't break an egg at CW so he doesn't suddenly become a puncher at HW those are the facts ,you just can't seem to see it.

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Holyfield took growth hormone to move up!

He was a cruiser when the cruiser limit was only 190lb. Look at Cunninghams body on the scales for Fury, do you think he could lose 20lb? Cunningham is more a natural heavy than Holyfield.

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What I'm saying is Holyfield was a puncher at CW. And was a respectable puncher at HW. ,
Cunningham couldn't break an egg at CW so he doesn't suddenly become a puncher at HW those are the facts ,you just can't seem to see it.

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Maybe Cunningham was weak at the weight.

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Holyfield took growth hormone to move up!

He was a cruiser when the cruiser limit was only 190lb. Look at Cunninghams body on the scales for Fury, do you think he could lose 20lb? Cunningham is more a natural heavy than Holyfield.

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What I'm saying is Holyfield was a puncher at CW. And was a respectable puncher at HW. ,
Cunningham couldn't break an egg at CW so he doesn't suddenly become a puncher at HW those are the facts ,you just can't seem to see it.

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Maybe Cunningham was weak at the weight.

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Sakio Bika has to be the hardest working supermiddle in the world today.

This past year he has fought 3 young undefeated class super middles. Genuine super middles, not dehydrated light heavies or blown up middles or faded names but 3 ambitious hungry, fresh undefeated fighters. He was unlucky not to get the win last night as he made the fight the whole night.

Bika is what he is, you know exactly what you are getting. Your moneys worth!

I hope he gets a big name opponent soon. He will make good money against Chavez Jr and if Chavez cant legitimately beat or even hurt Brian Vera who has been knocked out before, hes in for a rude awakening against Bika!

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I love Bika, he's one of my favorite fighters and I've been calling for Chavez Jr. to try Bika for a year now.

Really felt a draw was fair against Dirrel, considering the point deduction and knockdown. Bika did indeed bring the fight, while Anthony was pretty lazy in there.

Sakio Bika deserves another big fight. He was in about 3 x the shape Kirkland was Saturday.