Khan can beat Mayweather (maybe)

Don't expect many to agree with this but ......

I just read a few articles with Floyd praising Khan for his heart ,that he's a true fighter who will always get up to fight after a knockdown etc - true really and Khans always game even after some heavy shots and no one can knock his heart.
I think he will pick Khan for his next fight and I think he's in for a nightmare of a night if he does.
Yeah Floyd might catch him sooner or later but its what happens before that excites me.
Khan will go straight after him with superfast shots and wont let him rest and will set a fierce pace that I don't think Floyd will be able to cope with the longer it goes on and Floyd was blowing out of his ass between the latter rounds against the Ginger and that was a comfortable pace.
Basically Khan will force him into the deep end and I think Floyds gonna have to stand and fight him sooner rather than later as I expect Khan to win a good few early rounds.
I think it could boil down to whether or not Khan can keep his discipline and use his brain as to whether or not he takes the older man the full 12 and nicks this on points.
It could of course end Hatton style with Floyd going on his first exciting offensive since the Mosley fight and Khan not being able to take what Mosley could.
I don't see this being an easy night at all for Mayweather and think Khan has the abilities and style to cause the upset.
Stranger things have happened in boxing ;)

Khan will be completely dominated... And probably stopped.

i watched some of floyd v judah again the other day and judah gave him a very good fight with his speed

khan definately has the speed to cause problems

if he had better punch resistence i might even back him :)

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Originally Posted by erics44

i watched some of floyd v judah again the other day and judah gave him a very good fight with his speed

khan definately has the speed to cause problems

if he had better punch resistence i might even back him :)

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And that was a long time ago ;)
Baffles me that people think he's superhuman , Hatton gave him problems until he stopped moving his head, Oscar just ran out of steam but came very close and Judah was a nightmare for him.
Floyd wont like Khans speed at all and I don't think at this stage of his career he can cope with a fighter like that.
He'd have to knock Khan out to keep him off which is a huge reality with Khans chin but I think Khans got it in him to win this if he uses hia brain lol

And so the Khan hyping has begun.. This should be good. Can't wait to hear how much a bum he was when he loses.

Khan has the speed to be sure but not the variety and not great quality of punches.

His technique is not the best and his one dimensional attacks will be mastered by Floyd in 3 rounds. Floyd know this, he's studied him up and he knows that Khan is an easy opponent.

His legacy is in jeopardy should be drop his WBC belt and not face Manny in order to dispatch this mismatched opponent for far less money and glory. Surely you can see that!

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Originally Posted by Max Power

And so the Khan hyping has begun.. This should be good. Can't wait to hear how much a bum he was when he loses.

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You wont hear many on this forum saying he's a bum if he loses.
Unlike many of Floysds opponents he wont just plod towards him clueless like a sitting duck, he'll go straight after him and force the pace and whatever happens will make a real fight of it.
Thats not a bum where I come from, like I said he wont allow Floyd to breeze it on points he'll force him to stop him and this will be a fight ;)

Hmmm.. Yeah ok. I guess that may be right. He might not be such the raging bull though Khan once he starts getting countered and punched in the face lots and lots though.

I still think Manny is who Floyd needs to fight now given Pac is ranked #1.

I think Khan should give Virgil Hunter the elbow, go back to Freddie Roach and just come out attacking Floyd all guns blazing. Yeah he'll eventually get knocked out, maybe even in the first round, but whilst it lasts it will be electric.

With hindsight it's easy to look back at the Garcia fight and see the lefthooks he was getting timed with. But until he did finally get chinned he was whooping Garcia and we didn't know then that Garcia had a granite chin or was going to prove himself proper top drawer.

They're all too quick to make changes and look for excuses in this game.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Hmmm.. Yeah ok. I guess that may be right. He might not be such the raging bull though Khan once he starts getting countered and punched in the face lots and lots though.

I still think Manny is who Floyd needs to fight now given Pac is ranked #1.

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I don't think that'll happen infact I think Floyd will be behind in he first half of the fight purely on Khans punch output.
Again...Floyd will be forced to go on the attack at some point but when's he had to do that since the Mosley fight and can he still keep up that tempo?

I don't think he can anymore , I don't think the Pac fight happens soon either, the money split and ego clash will put the brakes on that again unfortunately.

For me Floyds legacy is all about being undefeated not losing one belt ;)

The majority of the forum already think he's a bum (weirdly). He can't lose really.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Khan should give Virgil Hunter the elbow, go back to Freddie Roach and just come out attacking Floyd all guns blazing. Yeah he'll eventually get knocked out, maybe even in the first round, but whilst it lasts it will be electric.

With hindsight it's easy to look back at the Garcia fight and see the lefthooks he was getting timed with. But until he did finally get chinned he was whooping Garcia and we didn't know then that Garcia had a granite chin or was going to prove himself proper top drawer.

They're all too quick to make changes and look for excuses in this game.

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Part of me thinks the same mate ;)
I wonder if Floyds just thinks I don't like this pace so fuck it lets have it then :)
One thing I am 100% on is Khan will bring the fighter out in Floyd for a change.
Hope this gets sorted , I see fireworks for this one and wanna see what Mayweather has left when he's made to fight at a fierce pace.

Ok but some would argue that speed of itself is overrated. I think Mayweather can bring Khan down to a more comfortable pace. He has great speed himself but he also has superior accuracy and timing. We will see how it goes mate.

I will tip Mayweather KO6

I'd be more shocked if Floyd said fuck it and started having a tear-up than Amir actually winning. ;D

I like the fight too from a personal perspective.

But in all seriousness, look at the fighters Khan has been tamed by, now is it really possible that he will control the pace and distance and land anything significant on the best defense in the busniess and also not dive onto the best laser right hand in the business. Apart from blazing speed Khan is outmatched in every other department (which is no slight on him, as most Floyd opponents are).

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I'd be more shocked if Floyd said fuck it and started having a tear-up than Amir actually winning. ;D

I like the fight too from a personal perspective.

But in all seriousness, look at the fighters Khan has been tamed by, now is it really possible that he will control the pace and distance and land anything significant on the best defense in the busniess and also not dive onto the best laser right hand in the business. Apart from blazing speed Khan is outmatched in every other department (which is no slight on him, as most Floyd opponents are).

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Knocked down through gung ho mistakes but not tamed.
Most of the fights you mean (bar prescott) he was in total contol even scoring early knockdowns , his macho side comes out when he gets complacent then his bollocks grow and gets clipped, always been his biggest problem along with the fact he will get straight back up and start fighting again lol he just cant help himself.
I think he'll catch Floyd and hurt him early on.
This is in no way an easy night for Mayweather and no way does he outmatch Khan for Stamina ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Khan should give Virgil Hunter the elbow, go back to Freddie Roach and just come out attacking Floyd all guns blazing. Yeah he'll eventually get knocked out, maybe even in the first round, but whilst it lasts it will be electric.

With hindsight it's easy to look back at the Garcia fight and see the lefthooks he was getting timed with. But until he did finally get chinned he was whooping Garcia and we didn't know then that Garcia had a granite chin or was going to prove himself proper top drawer.

They're all too quick to make changes and look for excuses in this game.

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i totally agree with this

hunter is trying to stop him doing what has made him good

They need to stop trying to fix him. Let him do what he's good at and focus on his strengths. His whole game is totally exposed at this stage. Everyone knows he can be chinned out. But he also has the offensive ability to beat world-class fighters.

Khan has no shot against Mayweather. It's a poor match up.

I agree with the thread starter that this fight is deceiving in its competitiveness although I cant take the step to suggest Khan wins. Khan is not going to have to brawl here. Nor will he have to convince himself that he will have to in camp. He can concentrate on those skills that he normally leaves in the dressing or abandons quickly in the fight. He's most likely faster then Floyd and to even entertain beating him you have to have an above average jab and he has one. The key is to establish it. Easy to say but hard to do when scrapping brawler/swarmers and the puncher/boxers that like to mix it up. For once, he can put the majority of his camp on boxing and not fighting like a dwarf in a phone booth. Of course this theory goes out the window if Floyd decides to walk him down.

Odd fight. On the one hand you have a guy that really does not deserve to be there after being beaten and at times on a heap by much lesser men and yet he has the potential to do much better against Floyd then any of his conquerors. There is some real intrigue for me style wise here regardless of what it looks like statistically. Both Pender and Turpin beat an older version of Robinson. Neither were supposed to.

Floyd is better than most of the guys he fights at pretty much every department , at least khan brings very quick hands to the table.
I see khan boxing in and out using his feet for maybe 4 rounds , then at some point he will walk onto a big counter shot and get stopped by the follow up assault.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Floyd is better than most of the guys he fights at pretty much every department , at least khan brings very quick hands to the table.
I see khan boxing in and out using his feet for maybe 4 rounds , then at some point he will walk onto a big counter shot and get stopped by the follow up assault.

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Very similar to how I see it. I actually think he could be leading on the cards at some point in the middle rounds.

I think Khan is wound way too tight to effectively box relaxed vs Floyd. He does have brass klangers and heart though, and when he gets caught that's what gets him in trouble.

This is a mismatch. The hype machine will once again make a lot of people think it's going to be a competitive fight...it won't. People keep mentioning Khan's speed. You cannot beat Floyd with just speed...just like you can't beat him with just size. You need to be an intelligent fighter with a great all around skill set who is willing to be patient/methodical (a great, consistent jab doesn't hurt either). Mental strength is as important as any physical one against Mayweather. Khan doesn't posses any of these attributes.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Khan has the speed to be sure but not the variety and not great quality of punches.

His technique is not the best and his one dimensional attacks will be mastered by Floyd in 3 rounds. Floyd know this, he's studied him up and he knows that Khan is an easy opponent.

His legacy is in jeopardy should be drop his WBC belt and not face Manny in order to dispatch this mismatched opponent for far less money and glory. Surely you can see that!

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For the sake of accuracy. Floyd is in the voluntary phase. He can fight whoever he wishes. The real question is will Pac fight Bradley and give up his mandatory status or Provo and go after Floyd in the fall.

I think it's a total mismatch and a waste of time fight, but it might just make sense for Floyd if it's a big payday. I do think Khan has as much chance of anyone outside of Pacquiao below 160 pounds, only that chance is zilch imo. His supporters will say he has what it takes to make it an interesting fight before he get's KO'ed, is that really the kind of intrigue a big fight should have:D

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Originally Posted by zhubin

This is a mismatch. The hype machine will once again make a lot of people think it's going to be a competitive fight...it won't. People keep mentioning Khan's speed. You cannot beat Floyd with just speed...just like you can't beat him with just size. You need to be an intelligent fighter with a great all around skill set who is willing to be patient/methodical (a great, consistent jab doesn't hurt either). Mental strength is as important as any physical one against Mayweather. Khan doesn't posses any of these attributes.

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Well barring Floyd fighting himself, who is that below 160 then?

hmmm. Mayweather wins. Khan won't be able to hit him, he gets flattened by one of those big counters.. early or late .. it's a Mayweather win and probably an easy one. Hope I'm wrong.

Virgil body language tells me that he isnt even bothered with khan and doesnt want to be put in the situation of going against mayweather.

Virgil is a great trainer but he doesnt seem to have much confidence in his fighter from what ive seen on the youtube interviews.

As mentioned by dark lord, the first 4 rounds will be very interesting.
Khan will be on point for this one and will be ready..such a shame that its not bradley. Such a shame.

Okay here's what I think.

It woods be good entertainment to see Amir use his range, speed and aggressive punching against Floyd.

It would be great to see Floyd score a long overdue KO.

It would be fantastic to see Khan knocked spark out.

What is there to moan about?

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Originally Posted by zhubin

This is a mismatch. The hype machine will once again make a lot of people think it's going to be a competitive fight...it won't. People keep mentioning Khan's speed. You cannot beat Floyd with just speed...just like you can't beat him with just size. You need to be an intelligent fighter with a great all around skill set who is willing to be patient/methodical (a great, consistent jab doesn't hurt either). Mental strength is as important as any physical one against Mayweather. Khan doesn't posses any of these attributes.

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Well barring Floyd fighting himself, who is that below 160 then?

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Good point. Not sure if i have the answer. Just giving my 2 cents about this particular match up.

I never thought Canelo would give Floyd fits but Khan is interesting as he's very active for rounds on end, shoots pretty straight and is lanky and fast. I think it would be more difficult for Floyd to fight khan than it was for him to fight Canelo.

Khan does have some glaring defensive flaws don't get me wrong, I pointed out a few myself in other threads as have many of you. However he's got a good strong fast jab and Floyd as well as pretty much any other boxer in history had always difficulty with a fast stiff jab. So no surprise there.

If floyd doesnt fight khan and fights garcia. Would anyone say he ducked khan?

Khans speed seems to be the main issue that can cause floyd problems but floyds stamina and quick hands are still very much there.

Lets hope khan can give us some serious excitement for at least 6 rounds.

I've said it all along. This is a cracking fight if it happens and if floyd can't ko khan it's going to be a close fight. I think he pushes floyd to the limmit it's very hard to beat speed and khan might just have the fastest hands in boxing, he's noticeably faster than floyd, denffenetly a high risk low reward fight for floyd apart from the ppv numbers floyd will get zero credit for beating khan.

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I've said it all along. This is a cracking fight if it happens and if floyd can't ko khan it's going to be a close fight. I think he pushes floyd to the limmit it's very hard to beat speed and khan might just have the fastest hands in boxing, he's noticeably faster than floyd, denffenetly a high risk low reward fight for floyd apart from the ppv numbers floyd will get zero credit for beating khan.

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Mmm. The aftermath.

You have a point. What credit would floyd get for beating khan rather than a bradley or garcia.

I suppose it elimates the fast fighter opponent queries in khan but then they will say "well pac has speed and power - fight him!"

Garcia team is very quiet...

I think its floyd vs danny garcia on may the 3rd in las vegas.

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I've said it all along. This is a cracking fight if it happens and if floyd can't ko khan it's going to be a close fight. I think he pushes floyd to the limmit it's very hard to beat speed and khan might just have the fastest hands in boxing, he's noticeably faster than floyd, denffenetly a high risk low reward fight for floyd apart from the ppv numbers floyd will get zero credit for beating khan.

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For pure hand speed no one touches Rigondeaux. And just having fast hands isn't enough. Timing your opponent, leg movement/speed, reaction time, ability to not get countered when throwing punches, etc. Floyd has faced fighters with fast hands...Khan just doesn't have the intangibles to beat someone of Mayweather's caliber. I love how some people make it seem like Floyd hasn't seen or will have trouble with something like fast hands or big power. It's his opponents who haven't seen anything close to his movement, defense, skill, and boxing IQ. Floyd is going to badly school Khan.

Castillo came the closest to beating Floyd and Oscar almost did it, Judah did well but that was 2006. Cotto was a tough fight for PBF, but Hatton, Marquez, Mosley and Alvarez were all easy pickings. Khan will be lucky to go 5 rounds here.

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Castillo came the closest to beating Floyd and Oscar almost did it, Judah did well but that was 2006. Cotto was a tough fight for PBF, but Hatton, Marquez, Mosley and Alvarez were all easy pickings. Khan will be lucky to go 5 rounds here.

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Im with you timing will beat speed in this case.

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Originally Posted by erics44

i watched some of floyd v judah again the other day and judah gave him a very good fight with his speed

khan definately has the speed to cause problems

if he had better punch resistence i might even back him :)

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Yeah thats the other thing, Floyd can soak others power up and stay close enough to turn it to his advantage,that wont fair well for Kahn.

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I've said it all along. This is a cracking fight if it happens and if floyd can't ko khan it's going to be a close fight. I think he pushes floyd to the limmit it's very hard to beat speed and khan might just have the fastest hands in boxing, he's noticeably faster than floyd, denffenetly a high risk low reward fight for floyd apart from the ppv numbers floyd will get zero credit for beating khan.

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For pure hand speed no one touches Rigondeaux. And just having fast hands isn't enough. Timing your opponent, leg movement/speed, reaction time, ability to not get countered when throwing punches, etc. Floyd has faced fighters with fast hands...Khan just doesn't have the intangibles to beat someone of Mayweather's caliber. I love how some people make it seem like Floyd hasn't seen or will have trouble with something like fast hands or big power. It's his opponents who haven't seen anything close to his movement, defense, skill, and boxing IQ. Floyd is going to badly school Khan.

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Floyds never faced anyone with khans speed I don't care what you say khans going to give floyd problems he's going to have faster hands and be throwing a lot of punches, if khan can win the 1st few rounds and get into a good rhythm floyds got his hardest fight since Castillo 1. I fully expect floyd to win but it's not going to be easy.

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I've said it all along. This is a cracking fight if it happens and if floyd can't ko khan it's going to be a close fight. I think he pushes floyd to the limmit it's very hard to beat speed and khan might just have the fastest hands in boxing, he's noticeably faster than floyd, denffenetly a high risk low reward fight for floyd apart from the ppv numbers floyd will get zero credit for beating khan.

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For pure hand speed no one touches Rigondeaux. And just having fast hands isn't enough. Timing your opponent, leg movement/speed, reaction time, ability to not get countered when throwing punches, etc. Floyd has faced fighters with fast hands...Khan just doesn't have the intangibles to beat someone of Mayweather's caliber. I love how some people make it seem like Floyd hasn't seen or will have trouble with something like fast hands or big power. It's his opponents who haven't seen anything close to his movement, defense, skill, and boxing IQ. Floyd is going to badly school Khan.

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Floyds never faced anyone with khans speed I don't care what you say khans going to give floyd problems he's going to have faster hands and be throwing a lot of punches, if khan can win the 1st few rounds and get into a good rhythm floyds got his hardest fight since Castillo 1. I fully expect floyd to win but it's not going to be easy.

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So the formula to give Floyd one of his hardest fights is just hand speed?! Because i fail to see what else Khan brings to the table. Please explain to me what in Khan's extremely underwhelming resume makes you think he will give one of the best p4p fighters of all time such a hard fight? How is he going to find "a good rhythm" against the most intelligent, adaptable fighter in the game...a defensive wizard who specializes in getting his opponents out of rhythm/fight plan.