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London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
My God, :o we should all put in and open a caravan sales and giant trailer park in Britian!
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It won't be. Stop believing Nigel Farage Brock!
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I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.
The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.
Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.
Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.
File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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None of this affects nigel farage or any of the mps.
If it doesnt affect their gated communities and their childrens children private education then there isnt a problem.(not knocking private schools)
Mps will get there rise and in a few months everyone will start to forget again about their sordid history.
Theres nothing wrong with the majority of the romanians who happen to be murderers and drug dealers and criminal records that no one knows about...what im really worried about is mike tyson coming to the uk..thats our main concern.
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Gandalf
I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.
The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.
Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.
Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.
File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.
I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas? :-\
Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?
Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?
I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.
The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.
Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.
Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.
File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.
I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas? :-\
Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?
Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?
I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
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ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?
There are a fair few leaving, but year on year the numbers coming in are typically hundreds of thousands more. In reality, the government has no idea how many people have truly come and gone. There are no actual checks done on this, so realistically you would have to assume the numbers are much worse than what the government will ever let on.
You make a valid point in that those native people who leave will include people who can afford to leave permanently. Maybe older people looking for somewhere warmer, maybe some of them are those who are from overseas, but have left again, others will be educated English leaving for work overseas. Year on year though, you see the numbers coming in to be far greater than those going out and of course most countries do not have porous borders like the UK. So on that basis you would have to assume middle class people who have planned for the future and educated English natives are a fair proportion of those who are leaving.
The reasons for the unchecked immigration are not entirely explained by the consecutive governments who simply refuse to deal in frankness. One possible reason is that Labour wanted working class people to flood the electorate in order to guarantee reelection as they will typically lean towards Labour, another obvious reason is the EU free trade of labour, the other possible reason was likely to allow smaller businesses an adundance of cheap labour.
The middle classes have not really been bailing out as they were being sunk before any of this became recognised as a serious societal problem. The 1980's saw unions being dismantled and the country becoming privatised. Then the lie of globalisation became the mantra and factories relocated overseas, to plug the gap at home labour markets were largely opened up.
Personally, I think the entire issue is cynical and was calculated. Britain is a corporatist country and if poor Polish people will do the work for less, then any normal business man will utilise that. After all business is money and little more. The wealth continued to be funneled upwards, and with the global depression, the final excuse to batter ordinary people was in place. 'We are all in it together' was the mantra. Britain literally is a place where they are all in it together and still they are being crammed in. The rich are either barricaded or own several homes to be rented to plebs at extortionate rates and still see the value go up 3 times faster than average wage increases.
Rents are unaffordable in the UK and young people will never own a home. Interestingly enough 75% of all new homes in the UK are bought by foreigners. The country is being eaten alive. If I was a football player earning 150,000 pounds a week, I could buy a house every two weeks, rent them out, and be raking in the money. It doesn't take many rich foreigners to entirely warp a country. From rich to poor, the country has been sold to foreigners.
But hush, one mustn't appear to be criticising the masterplan. Recently the UK media had an 'immigration week' push. Really, a very cynical thing all things considered.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Dark Lord Al
He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?
God help us then. Farage is a joke.
We don't have much net immigration in fact, but hey don't let facts spoil a firmly held opinion.
The Poles for instance are leaving faster than they are coming. Also, surveys have shown that only a small number of Romanians and Bulgarians are planning to migrate, and that of those Britain is only the 4th choice destination after Spain, France and Italy.
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Good bye England!!
And all the do gooders who believe everyone is welcome and equal should've dropped into Iraq
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This is England and shouldn't be any other way
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ryanman
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Dark Lord Al
He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?
God help us then. Farage is a joke.
We don't have much net immigration in fact, but hey don't let facts spoil a firmly held opinion.
The Poles for instance are leaving faster than they are coming. Also, surveys have shown that only a small number of Romanians and Bulgarians are planning to migrate, and that of those Britain is only the 4th choice destination after Spain, France and Italy.
Please explain that country with a dole queue , that is in a very bad way , needs uneducated people from large families from Africa and Eastern Europe?
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This is seriously laughable nonsense if it was not tinged with such unashamed bile and unpleasantness. Brockton and Miles should both shut up considering neither of them are affected or in the least bit interested in the welfare of the UK, and Nigel Farrage should go back to France with his tweed wearing toffey nose mates. You would have thought that nobody could be as intolerant, disingenuous or inbred and backward as a far right wing Tory in the 1980's and yet UKIP have marched unimpeded into the British conciousness as though the previous century had never happened, and pulled the wool over the eyes of not only the general populace but also those like Brockton and Miles who think they are above being led up the garden path by such Charlatans.
Nigel does not care about you if you are working class. He does not care about your job. He does not give a fig that you are unemployed. He is quite happy to draw his expenses whilst never speaking up for the UK. 29 Million people is the entire population if Romania and Bulgaria combined. They are not all coming, just like not all of Poland came. How inflated an opinion of ourselves do we have to think that people would travel hundreds of miles to come and live here ahead of other more hospitable and temperate European countries ? Immigration does not reduce earnings, by far the majority of Immigrants do not claim benefits. Nigel is lying and people are swallowing his bullshit whole.
Recent immigrants to Britain are better educated, pay more taxes and draw less state benefits than native Britons. They are also generally better educated. The fact that Bulgarians and Romanians will now not be limited to filling the seasonal agricultural roles that most Brits refuse to work in is what really bothers Nigel. No mention of the British property developers over running Bulgaria or their burgeoning tourist trade. Just more empty groundless rhetoric and hate speech from a plummy upper class twit who is lives on expenses for a job he does not do. Technically they (Bulgarians and Romanians) have been able to come since 2004 when UKIP and Nigel suggested a doomsday apocalypse scenario that never happened. A lot of British people are lazy and most immigrants are not. There is the rub and what makes people so uncomfortable.
The Tories have already used divide and conquer and smoke and mirrors to attack and blame the working class,unemployed and disabled and UKIP have now followed suit diverting their attention to immigration and endeavouring to protect their own sense of entitlement whilst being almost as poorly educated as those who can not see the FACT that immigrants actually contribute to our economy and will help us out of recession. Benefit tourism is a nasty anachronism that Cameron has coined to deflect attention away from morally bankrupt MPs, soulless Corporations, dodgy Bankers and non-tax paying individuals who continue to bleed the country dry.
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Dropanuke
This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
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Dropanuke
This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.
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Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dropanuke
This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.
Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
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ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dropanuke
This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.
Al, the highest number of
Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
So is there cash work there? I cant see how they'd get by otherwise?
Im surprised by that,they wouldnt be able to get on the dole over there, or on the health scheme,they must be young dumb party goers with a decent cash income :-\.
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dropanuke
This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.
Al, the highest number of
Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
So is there cash work there? I cant see how they'd get by otherwise?
Im surprised by that,they wouldnt be able to get on the dole over there, or on the health scheme,they must be young dumb party goers with a decent cash income :-\.
It's cash work yeah. But also they aren't really a priority target, because they are the type of immigrants that bigots can tolerate.
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ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Dropanuke
This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.
Al, the highest number of
Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
So is there cash work there? I cant see how they'd get by otherwise?
Im surprised by that,they wouldnt be able to get on the dole over there, or on the health scheme,they must be young dumb party goers with a decent cash income :-\.
It's cash work yeah. But also they aren't really a priority target, because they are the type of immigrants that bigots can tolerate.
I don't mind the Odd Aussie, particularly the indigenous brown digeridoo playing boomerang throwing ones, but the illegal, chequered Golf trouser wearing, loud mouthed Yanks should get a visa, or go right back home to Uncle Sam.
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ryanman
Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
Do you have a link supporting this? I'd never heard that and would be interested in reading about it.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
Who care if it doesnt effect Farage's own gated community? Can he not still point out what is wrong? 90% of ATM crime in London last year was committed by Romanians. FACT
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And whats with this "let's all support illegal people" thing over the past 5 years? What a crock of shite.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
Here in Texas immigrant labor from Mexico (largely undocumented) is a vital part of our economy. They are generally family oriented, hard working people with a strong entrepreneurial drive. Unfortunately some of those positive traits fall off as they assimilate to the American culture. The issue is the drain on the welfare state. There is a real demand for the labor so if we removed the welfare state then open borders wouldn't be a problem. People would move freely for employment just like commerce but wouldn't be a drain on the social systems.
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VictorCharlie
Here in Texas immigrant labor from Mexico (largely undocumented) is a vital part of our economy. They are generally family oriented, hard working people with a strong entrepreneurial drive. Unfortunately some of those positive traits fall off as they assimilate to the American culture. The issue is the drain on the welfare state. There is a real demand for the labor so if we removed the welfare state then open borders wouldn't be a problem. People would move freely for employment just like commerce but wouldn't be a drain on the social systems.
deport 'em.
LISTEN THE LAW IS THE LAW, OR WHY THE FUCK HAVE LAWS THEN? GODDAMIT, you need a visa to enter the USA and most other places too. That doesnt count anymore? Its like to successfully steal a cell phone from a shop, and when the police cathch you the next week you say "HA its too late bitch, I already got away with it."
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Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
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Greenbeanz
Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.
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Re: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians
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Dark Lord Al
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Greenbeanz
Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.
Its a selective fact. Of course not ALL immigrants add something, but as a collective they add more than they take. Your logic seems to be that because some will come to take advantage then none should be allowed to come (forgetting of course that we are required by law to allow free migration).
I doubt you have seen many facts supporting your view because its mostly just fear mongering and bigotry and you have fallen for it.
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VictorCharlie
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ryanman
Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
Do you have a link supporting this? I'd never heard that and would be interested in reading about it.
I'l have a look for something later VC. It's something I looked at for my MA.
It's mostly just Visa Overstayers of course but it creates an interesting point about the types of immigration people find palatable and why.
It is a side note really because that is referring to illegal immigrants, rather than the perfectly legal immigration this thread is condemning.
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ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Greenbeanz
Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.
Its a selective fact. Of course not ALL immigrants add something, but as a collective they add more than they take. Your logic seems to be that because some will come to take advantage then none should be allowed to come (forgetting of course that we are required by law to allow free migration).
I doubt you have seen many facts supporting your view because its mostly just fear mongering and bigotry and you have fallen for it.
Are you fucking joking? The facts are here my friend , we are full ,we are bust ,we have a dole queue, our health service is done , I do not want any more people from Eastern Europe or Africans coming into England that is my view.
Also the Fact about San Sebastián was just that , you have you head so far in the sand , which is exactly why this country is fucked . It's not racist to say enough I s enough ,
As for the law let them travel ,but don't give them any benefits at all , then see if they think twice.
How dare you single me out , I am not in a minority I can assure you of that , I respect your view , I think your wrong , but in not castigating you for it , for fucks sake , freedom of speach is still allowed as far as I'm aware.
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This time next year the crime levels will be at an all time high due to all this.
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This time next year the crime levels will be at an all time high due to all this.
For some reason the minority in here isn't listening to the majority , that is it core problem , have your view but listen to the masses.
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I used to know loads of blokes that worked on building sites and stuff that would sign on too. Especially when they needed to see a dentist and stuff. Funny old game this life lark
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This is England and shouldn't be any other way
Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.
Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.
Al, the highest number of
Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?
So is there cash work there? I cant see how they'd get by otherwise?
Im surprised by that,they wouldnt be able to get on the dole over there, or on the health scheme,they must be young dumb party goers with a decent cash income :-\.
It's cash work yeah. But also they aren't really a priority target, because they are the type of immigrants that bigots can tolerate.
I don't mind the Odd Aussie, particularly the indigenous brown digeridoo playing boomerang throwing ones, but the illegal, chequered Golf trouser wearing, loud mouthed Yanks should get a visa, or go right back home to Uncle Sam.
The amount of British tourists that throw their visas and stay in California is astounding.
I can see why they wouldnt want to go back to miserable weather in a country the size of a shoe.
The other way around Americans or Australians staying in Britain :confused: .
I can see exactly why you are against them cause they are obviously insane fuckwits.
:cool: Keep em and we'll keep the Brits who are here and in the States illegally, good trade;D
Who wants traitors.:)
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First off, I see classic deflection tactics being used by Greenbeanz. A deflection tactic is one used in an effort to cut off further dialogue. If someone makes a valid point then someone responds with 'I will break your arm', then that is clearly a deflection tactic. In this instance Greenbeanz is making the argument that because me and Brockton do not live in our respective home countries then we have no right to speak on these issues. It is a deflection tactic though as me and Brockton are connected with our home countries through family and history. Our countries are our countries and to suggest that we shouldn't comment is an outrageous one. 'But you don't live here, so keep your gob shut', says the wise one. Incredible.
Also, it is a daft argument to say that English people are simply lazy and that the immigrants are more educated than me and Brockton. To even teach overseas me and Brockton have needed to be university educated and to do what I do, you need post graduate qualifications. Maybe Brockton does too, but I haven't asked him. Now please show me the statistics on how many of these Polish immigrants are as educated as we are. Again, it is a silly argument as educated people are not going to the UK to earn what is typically minimum wage or do cash in hand jobs. I assume this was an argument made just to be a condescending git.
If there are tens of thousands of Americans and Australians running amok then they sould be kicked out! Again, I think it is a diversionary argument to suggest that these are 'acceptable immigrants' to the 'bigots'. I don't think people would be impressed if they knew they were there illegally and working cash in hand. Again, it is terrible for the local economy as they are not paying into the system.
In the past ten years. Funnily enough in the exact time span that I have been away, the entire demographics of the UK have been changing. Is it for the better or is it for the worse? The elite will say the better. Greenbeanz will argue for the better, but there has been no real national debate on the issue. Even now the politicians are just wanting to look tough knowing an election is round the corner. In some respects I think immigration is needed. Asylum is a valid reason. In years past the legacy of colonialism meant we had obligations whence Indian and Pakistani communities, but those days are gone and the Polish, Romanians, or Americans, have nothing to do with that legacy.
Every country of the world is founded upon immigration if taken further enough back in time. However, what we have today are nation states and those nation states have an obligation to their ethnic populations. You put them first. Instead what we have is a system where British people are not able to get jobs and it isn't because foreign people will work harder, it is because you can boss a foreign person around if you know that you can control them.
You can't get away with that with a native person. I've seen illegals here, you have them round your finger paying cash in hand. I've seen people with legit visas putting up with shit because they are on a temp visa and they will be out if they resist. It's easier to control a foreign worker who doesn't know the system and of course English bosses love the foreign labour. It's a masterstroke. Then if anyone resists saying 'This is all a bit crap, why not just pay the British workers a decent wage and follow the rules?'. That is because that is what it is all about!
You should control immigration. Not stop it, but control it and vet the system. Then ensure that workers are being protected and that everyone is paying into the system. Also the visa should be controlled, maybe 2 years max, but you will go home at the end. If you break the law, then you get deported and banned. You only stay beyond if you invest into the country AND marry. The UK is too slack on this, a few years in sees everyone becoming naturalised and in reality the number of foreigners is much worse. Legals, naturalised, illegals, it all adds up to a lot of competition for local people, who quite clearly cannot compete. Not because they are lazy like Greenbeanz says. That's one of the old chestnuts that they like to espouse.
I can see two very clear models having seen two sides of a coin. That makes me probably more aware of immigration models than Greenbeanz and likewise the same could be applied to Brockton who has experienced several countries. Instead Greenbeanz will try to divide opinion and make it look like we are the problem and he knows better. We see the coin from all sides having actually lived under different models. We just know which one makes more sense and are not afraid to be seen as non-PC koolaid drinkers.
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Gandalf
First off, I see classic deflection tactics being used by Greenbeanz. A deflection tactic is one used in an effort to cut off further dialogue. If someone makes a valid point then someone responds with 'I will break your arm', then that is clearly a deflection tactic. In this instance Greenbeanz is making the argument that because me and Brockton do not live in our respective home countries then we have no right to speak on these issues. It is a deflection tactic though as me and Brockton are connected with our home countries through family and history. Our countries are our countries and to suggest that we shouldn't comment is an outrageous one. 'But you don't live here, so keep your gob shut', says the wise one. Incredible.
Also, it is a daft argument to say that English people are simply lazy and that the immigrants are more educated than me and Brockton. To even teach overseas me and Brockton have needed to be university educated and to do what I do, you need post graduate qualifications. Maybe Brockton does too, but I haven't asked him. Now please show me the statistics on how many of these Polish immigrants are as educated as we are. Again, it is a silly argument as educated people are not going to the UK to earn what is typically minimum wage or do cash in hand jobs. I assume this was an argument made just to be a condescending git.
If there are tens of thousands of Americans and Australians running amok then they sould be kicked out! Again, I think it is a diversionary argument to suggest that these are 'acceptable immigrants' to the 'bigots'. I don't think people would be impressed if they knew they were there illegally and working cash in hand. Again, it is terrible for the local economy as they are not paying into the system.
In the past ten years. Funnily enough in the exact time span that I have been away, the entire demographics of the UK have been changing. Is it for the better or is it for the worse? The elite will say the better. Greenbeanz will argue for the better, but there has been no real national debate on the issue. Even now the politicians are just wanting to look tough knowing an election is round the corner. In some respects I think immigration is needed. Asylum is a valid reason. In years past the legacy of colonialism meant we had obligations whence Indian and Pakistani communities, but those days are gone and the Polish, Romanians, or Americans, have nothing to do with that legacy.
Every country of the world is founded upon immigration if taken further enough back in time. However, what we have today are nation states and those nation states have an obligation to their ethnic populations. You put them first. Instead what we have is a system where British people are not able to get jobs and it isn't because foreign people will work harder, it is because you can boss a foreign person around if you know that you can control them.
You can't get away with that with a native person. I've seen illegals here, you have them round your finger paying cash in hand. I've seen people with legit visas putting up with shit because they are on a temp visa and they will be out if they resist. It's easier to control a foreign worker who doesn't know the system and of course English bosses love the foreign labour. It's a masterstroke. Then if anyone resists saying 'This is all a bit crap, why not just pay the British workers a decent wage and follow the rules?'. That is because that is what it is all about!
You should control immigration. Not stop it, but control it and vet the system. Then ensure that workers are being protected and that everyone is paying into the system. Also the visa should be controlled, maybe 2 years max, but you will go home at the end. If you break the law, then you get deported and banned. You only stay beyond if you invest into the country AND marry. The UK is too slack on this, a few years in sees everyone becoming naturalised and in reality the number of foreigners is much worse. Legals, naturalised, illegals, it all adds up to a lot of competition for local people, who quite clearly cannot compete. Not because they are lazy like Greenbeanz says. That's one of the old chestnuts that they like to espouse.
I can see two very clear models having seen two sides of a coin. That makes me probably more aware of immigration models than Greenbeanz and likewise the same could be applied to Brockton who has experienced several countries. Instead Greenbeanz will try to divide opinion and make it look like we are the problem and he knows better. We see the coin from all sides having actually lived under different models. We just know which one makes more sense and are not afraid to be seen as non-PC koolaid drinkers.
It is 'Brockton and I'.
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Miles is attentive in Saddoland and here in this essay has some very valid points, we wish he would pay more attention in English and stop dreaming of Wordsworth and other worthless pursuits.
Very good work Miles ****.
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Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.
Its a selective fact. Of course not ALL immigrants add something, but as a collective they add more than they take. Your logic seems to be that because some will come to take advantage then none should be allowed to come (forgetting of course that we are required by law to allow free migration).
I doubt you have seen many facts supporting your view because its mostly just fear mongering and bigotry and you have fallen for it.
Are you fucking joking? The facts are here my friend , we are full ,we are bust ,we have a dole queue, our health service is done , I do not want any more people from Eastern Europe or Africans coming into England that is my view.
Also the Fact about San Sebastián was just that , you have you head so far in the sand , which is exactly why this country is fucked . It's not racist to say enough I s enough ,
As for the law let them travel ,but don't give them any benefits at all , then see if they think twice.
How dare you single me out , I am not in a minority I can assure you of that , I respect your view , I think your wrong , but in not castigating you for it , for fucks sake , freedom of speach is still allowed as far as I'm aware.
I respect your right to an opinion, and I definately have not accused you of being racist. I'm just giving my opinion as you are.
However, you state again there that you don't wish for more Africans or Eastern Europeans to come over, but what about Americans, Australians etc? As I have said they make up the largest number of illegal immigrants in this country. Why don't you have an issue with them?
Also, the facts you state about the dole queue and the country being in a difficult financial situation are fair and true. However, Al, the truth of it is that immigration DOES NOT worsen that situation. I know its easy to think that more people equals less to go around and more on the dole queue. But immigration has over the years BOOSTED our economy. Meaning more money and more jobs for EVERYONE. The vast majority of immigrants do not claim benefits. There is plenty of evidence to support this and not a shred of evidence to the contrary. Nobody in their right mind would want lots of immigrants to come to the UK to claim benefits, of course not, nobody disagrees there, but the truth is that that doesn't happen. Not in signficant numbers. Throughout history immigration has been a vital part of the growth and adaptability of the British economy. In the short term it's easy to see them taking up valuable resources but the truth is more complex and actually contrary to that view.
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Gandalf
First off, I see classic deflection tactics being used by Greenbeanz. A deflection tactic is one used in an effort to cut off further dialogue. If someone makes a valid point then someone responds with 'I will break your arm', then that is clearly a deflection tactic. In this instance Greenbeanz is making the argument that because me and Brockton do not live in our respective home countries then we have no right to speak on these issues. It is a deflection tactic though as me and Brockton are connected with our home countries through family and history. Our countries are our countries and to suggest that we shouldn't comment is an outrageous one. 'But you don't live here, so keep your gob shut', says the wise one. Incredible.
Also, it is a daft argument to say that English people are simply lazy and that the immigrants are more educated than me and Brockton. To even teach overseas me and Brockton have needed to be university educated and to do what I do, you need post graduate qualifications. Maybe Brockton does too, but I haven't asked him. Now please show me the statistics on how many of these Polish immigrants are as educated as we are. Again, it is a silly argument as educated people are not going to the UK to earn what is typically minimum wage or do cash in hand jobs. I assume this was an argument made just to be a condescending git.
If there are tens of thousands of Americans and Australians running amok then they sould be kicked out! Again, I think it is a diversionary argument to suggest that these are 'acceptable immigrants' to the 'bigots'. I don't think people would be impressed if they knew they were there illegally and working cash in hand. Again, it is terrible for the local economy as they are not paying into the system.
In the past ten years. Funnily enough in the exact time span that I have been away, the entire demographics of the UK have been changing. Is it for the better or is it for the worse? The elite will say the better. Greenbeanz will argue for the better, but there has been no real national debate on the issue. Even now the politicians are just wanting to look tough knowing an election is round the corner. In some respects I think immigration is needed. Asylum is a valid reason. In years past the legacy of colonialism meant we had obligations whence Indian and Pakistani communities, but those days are gone and the Polish, Romanians, or Americans, have nothing to do with that legacy.
Every country of the world is founded upon immigration if taken further enough back in time. However, what we have today are nation states and those nation states have an obligation to their ethnic populations. You put them first. Instead what we have is a system where British people are not able to get jobs and it isn't because foreign people will work harder, it is because you can boss a foreign person around if you know that you can control them.
You can't get away with that with a native person. I've seen illegals here, you have them round your finger paying cash in hand. I've seen people with legit visas putting up with shit because they are on a temp visa and they will be out if they resist. It's easier to control a foreign worker who doesn't know the system and of course English bosses love the foreign labour. It's a masterstroke. Then if anyone resists saying 'This is all a bit crap, why not just pay the British workers a decent wage and follow the rules?'. That is because that is what it is all about!
You should control immigration. Not stop it, but control it and vet the system. Then ensure that workers are being protected and that everyone is paying into the system. Also the visa should be controlled, maybe 2 years max, but you will go home at the end. If you break the law, then you get deported and banned. You only stay beyond if you invest into the country AND marry. The UK is too slack on this, a few years in sees everyone becoming naturalised and in reality the number of foreigners is much worse. Legals, naturalised, illegals, it all adds up to a lot of competition for local people, who quite clearly cannot compete. Not because they are lazy like Greenbeanz says. That's one of the old chestnuts that they like to espouse.
I can see two very clear models having seen two sides of a coin. That makes me probably more aware of immigration models than Greenbeanz and likewise the same could be applied to Brockton who has experienced several countries. Instead Greenbeanz will try to divide opinion and make it look like we are the problem and he knows better. We see the coin from all sides having actually lived under different models. We just know which one makes more sense and are not afraid to be seen as non-PC koolaid drinkers.
MILES
You are a right wing racist bigot. This is very evident and apparent to all but the most naive and simple minded observer. I have never threatened to break your arm merely suggested that a smack in the mouth might do you some good. You on the other hand have threatened to scalp me and spray me with mace being the effeminate weedy girl spider that you are.
I am not deflecting anything I am addressing the reality that you ran away from and the propaganda and bullshit spouted by Oswald Mosley Nigel Farrage and his ubber fan Brockton. It is no surprise that Morrissey, Suede and other right wing posers are your poster boys, no more surprising than your view that Roma present the same menace as Jews and the disabled and should be exterminated.
You are also the most condescending, opinionated, self entitled selfish cunt on Earth. You can't even remember your wife's birthday and should be put in the stocks and pelted with Kimchi.
You are purposefully deflecting rational argument and muddying the waters to serve your own agenda in equating legal migration and the right to work with Illegal migration. You identify with the privileged and not the underclass because you are a unbearable snob. You refuse to accept that anyone can be on a par with you let alone surpass your own educational achievements and so you automatically assume that migration means unskilled labour because every other race or ethnic class to you is inferior. You make this supposition abundantly clear by insisting that every Hotel in London is full of Foreign workers and by your bolting the UK because it was getting a bit challenging to a black shirted facist like yourself.
You are incredibly boring. You go on and on and on and on and on and on and then some.
You are foreign labour. Get out of Korea, they have done nothing to deserve you. (except maybe the torturing of people in jail under false premise of spying)
Educated people do come and will continue to come to the UK. Yourself and Brockton are not unique or blessed from on high in not being manual migrant labour, not that the nature of somebodies day job is neither here nor there. You should go home after 2 years if that is your suggestion for the UK but No because you are part of the master race ?
Your condescending PC argument is 100% bullshit. It is something you bring up to disguise your own arrogant intolerance. You portray yourself as sensitive and caring and yet could not really give a fuck about anything than your own pot belly and an invented persona that excuses you behaving like a horrible cunt. Your free pass has ended, suck it up. There you go 8 paragraphs to mirror your drivel.
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Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.
So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.
Its a selective fact. Of course not ALL immigrants add something, but as a collective they add more than they take. Your logic seems to be that because some will come to take advantage then none should be allowed to come (forgetting of course that we are required by law to allow free migration).
I doubt you have seen many facts supporting your view because its mostly just fear mongering and bigotry and you have fallen for it.
Are you fucking joking? The facts are here my friend , we are full ,we are bust ,we have a dole queue, our health service is done , I do not want any more people from Eastern Europe or Africans coming into England that is my view.
Also the Fact about San Sebastián was just that , you have you head so far in the sand , which is exactly why this country is fucked . It's not racist to say enough I s enough ,
As for the law let them travel ,but don't give them any benefits at all , then see if they think twice.
How dare you single me out , I am not in a minority I can assure you of that , I respect your view , I think your wrong , but in not castigating you for it , for fucks sake , freedom of speach is still allowed as far as I'm aware.
I respect your right to an opinion, and I definately have not accused you of being racist. I'm just giving my opinion as you are.
However, you state again there that you don't wish for more Africans or Eastern Europeans to come over, but what about Americans, Australians etc? As I have said they make up the largest number of illegal immigrants in this country. Why don't you have an issue with them?
Also, the facts you state about the dole queue and the country being in a difficult financial situation are fair and true. However, Al, the truth of it is that immigration DOES NOT worsen that situation. I know its easy to think that more people equals less to go around and more on the dole queue. But immigration has over the years BOOSTED our economy. Meaning more money and more jobs for EVERYONE. The vast majority of immigrants do not claim benefits. There is plenty of evidence to support this and not a shred of evidence to the contrary. Nobody in their right mind would want lots of immigrants to come to the UK to claim benefits, of course not, nobody disagrees there, but the truth is that that doesn't happen. Not in signficant numbers. Throughout history immigration has been a vital part of the growth and adaptability of the British economy. In the short term it's easy to see them taking up valuable resources but the truth is more complex and actually contrary to that view.
We have never before been in such a poor financial state, so past migration has not been as bigger issue as it will be now.
You also ignored the question , what do we do with the people living rough ,using public parks as camps and toilets?
People who a large majority have been sent home and have returned ?
In case you haven't noticed the posters against your view are plentiful , and we are taxpayers also. As for Australian and USA migrants I have not idea where you get that statement from, I went into Manchester City centre a month ago and I have to be honest heard no Aussie or American accents but saw plenty of beggars and heard plenty of Eastern European accents , this also is a fact . Also I have no idea of you age or job which may explain your point of view , I know not many want more strain on the financial state.