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This is a fight that looks like it could be happening. Who does Canelo face? I think he should fight Kirkland or Thurman, would be good to see him vs them two. But I'm sure Lara will have a say in something.
Apparently this is pretty close to being set, I don't know about Cotto at 160 though. Pretty much all depends on what Martinez has left to me, this would have almost been a mismatch a few years ago.
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IF the martinez that beat the retarded mexican shows up he wins. If his skills have diminished, then it will be pretty close. interesting
This is why Cotto is respected and bankable win or lose, he's willing to fight the best opponents available to him, and his fights are exciting.
He'd be long odds to beat Sergio Da Sex Martinez, but Martinez will be 39 years old in a couple of months with several recent injuries.
2 years ago, it would've been a mismatch. Right now, it's a good match.
That'd be an exciting fight. Hopefully it happens.
@bradlee180 - you are right on point, my friend. Two years ago, I would have picked Martinez to KO Cotto, now I'm not so sure. Cotto looked devastating in his last fight and Martinez disappointed. Martinez will have been out for 14 months at the time of this fight if it happens in June, and will have undergone multiple surgeries. On the other hand, this will be the first time in a long time that Martinez is in there with a legitimate junior middleweight (although I think COtto was most effective at 140-147). He finally won't be the smaller man. Can Cotto's power translate to 160? Can he take a punch from Martinez at 160 that he doesn't see? If Martinez's legs are still there, can he fight Martinez? Can Roach configure a game plan to beat Martinez in his second bite at the apple? Will Martinez go back to Sarmiento?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Cotto gets so much props for taking this fight, I can't even tell you. If he signs up for it, win or lose, he's in the HOF. I know most people would put him there already, but I was sort of on the fence. Now there will be no debate.
Martinez is kind of a smaller middleweight so I think it's a good quality matchup, but I fear for whoever wins because GGG and/or Quillen is on the horizon for the winner and those guys are dangerous.
I think Martinez-Cotto will be a close solid action packed fight.
As for Canelo: Lara, Kirkland, Thurman...solid fights
I do hope this fight takes place. For both of them its a defining fight.
Martinez has been M.i.a
This is the best time to fight martinez with cotto confidence sky high and with his 24th trainer freddie roach changing his game again
A few years back, Cotto would have gotten killed. It would have been a suicide mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Now though, I don't know. Like you said, depends how much Martinez has left in the tank.
This might be a good time to get Martinez.
Cotto doing what Mayweather should be.
Fight on Cotto fight on buddy.
Multiple knee surgery combined with inactivity... cotto is picking the right opponent at the right time. Its a down low cherrypicking.
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Originally Posted by bradlee180
Couldn't agree with you more... and most knowledgeable, impartial boxing fans agree with you also. Cotto's going for his 4th title in his 4th weight division. Yes... he's small for 160... but he's a proven champion and future HOF'er. What better way to seal your legacy than to go up against another alltime great, in the classy Sergio Martinez? Even beyond the ring matchup, these are two guys who've done their countries proud. Like you, I'm excited about the prospect of this fight happening.
A tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by IamInuitA tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
LOL... myopic, but utterly predictable. When "Cotto-hate" goes so far as to accuse him of "cherry-picking", it's time to turn the page and move on to sensible posts. 'Nough said.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@bradlee180 - you are right on point, my friend. Two years ago, I would have picked Martinez to KO Cotto, now I'm not so sure. Cotto looked devastating in his last fight and Martinez disappointed. Martinez will have been out for 14 months at the time of this fight if it happens in June, and will have undergone multiple surgeries. On the other hand, this will be the first time in a long time that Martinez is in there with a legitimate junior middleweight (although I think COtto was most effective at 140-147). He finally won't be the smaller man. Can Cotto's power translate to 160? Can he take a punch from Martinez at 160 that he doesn't see? If Martinez's legs are still there, can he fight Martinez? Can Roach configure a game plan to beat Martinez in his second bite at the apple? Will Martinez go back to Sarmiento?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Cotto gets so much props for taking this fight, I can't even tell you. If he signs up for it, win or lose, he's in the HOF. I know most people would put him there already, but I was sort of on the fence. Now there will be no debate.
Major props indeed. Martinez has 3" in height and a whopping 8" in reach advantage. They're both beyond their peak, that's for sure. You ask some good questions about whether Cotto can hurt Martinez at 160, and whether he can take Martinez's punches. It all remains to be seen.
What I like about this matchup is that Cotto is seeking to cement his legacy by fighting a bigger man (another future HOF'er) at a higher weight. He's not looking to fight a little guy, trying to easily cash in on a famous name with little risk. That takes some major "cojones", although haters will always hate.
Major cojones lol.. its a calculated risk against a vulnerable champ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@bradlee180 - you are right on point, my friend. Two years ago, I would have picked Martinez to KO Cotto, now I'm not so sure. Cotto looked devastating in his last fight and Martinez disappointed. Martinez will have been out for 14 months at the time of this fight if it happens in June, and will have undergone multiple surgeries. On the other hand, this will be the first time in a long time that Martinez is in there with a legitimate junior middleweight (although I think COtto was most effective at 140-147). He finally won't be the smaller man. Can Cotto's power translate to 160? Can he take a punch from Martinez at 160 that he doesn't see? If Martinez's legs are still there, can he fight Martinez? Can Roach configure a game plan to beat Martinez in his second bite at the apple? Will Martinez go back to Sarmiento?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Cotto gets so much props for taking this fight, I can't even tell you. If he signs up for it, win or lose, he's in the HOF. I know most people would put him there already, but I was sort of on the fence. Now there will be no debate.
Major props indeed. Martinez has 3" in height and a whopping 8" in reach advantage. They're both beyond their peak, that's for sure. You ask some good questions about whether Cotto can hurt Martinez at 160, and whether he can take Martinez's punches. It all remains to be seen.
What I like about this matchup is that Cotto is seeking to cement his legacy by fighting a bigger man (another future HOF'er) at a higher weight. He's not looking to fight a little guy, trying to easily cash in on a famous name with little risk. That takes some major "cojones", although haters will always hate.
Cotto is fighting margo's leftover dude... margo knocked out sergio.. lets see how cotto deals with a handicap version.
I respect the Hell outta Cotto and yeh he has some balls but if not a Alvarez, who? Its not all about big balls here and he'll make a handsome sum with a shot against a champion who is almost being written off as a wounded fossil. Martinez is up there....so is Cotto. A win over a predictable and showcase Rodriquez doesn't translate into rebirth. Cotto has many many miles and isn't exactly a one punch hitter or a proven middle for that matter. Its a little twisted who we're thinking is the actual 'opponent' here and I hope we do get some fireworks, but this is also a calculated fight for Martinez dusting off the rust with a respected name but looking for fellow middles..we can only hope. Martinez doesn't have to be Sweet Pea Sergio here and his hands and pop are still alive and well. Its not a bad fight for both at all, I just think Martinez is still very much too much for a Cotto who will be there after his jab.
Wow this is a mismatch, Cotto was already a stocky (smallish) welter now fighting Martinez at 160 (granted Sergio is a small middleweight he is still a much bigger and RANGEY fighter than Cotto.) If Cotto Wins this I'll put alongside PBF at P4P number 1. Go COTTO!
Winner needs to face Golovkin.
I don't hate Cotto, he's never been in a bad fight, but boxing is a business and I can't think of a better time to fight Martinez. I like Martinez too, he had some unforgettable fights, but boxing is a business. If you think fighters should pick opponents on some type of honor system then you don't really understand boxing.Quote:
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Originally Posted by IamInuitA tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
LOL... myopic, but utterly predictable. When "Cotto-hate" goes so far as to accuse him of "cherry-picking", it's time to turn the page and move on to sensible posts. 'Nough said.
When Joe Louis was fighting a Bum of the Month, was he cherry picking? I'm pretty sure he knew he could beat those guys and the fans were willing to pay, but according to your honor system he should have skipped those fights and sat on his ass starving.
Boxing is just another way to make money, we can glorify it and glamorize it, but it's still a business.
Agree and disagree. Cotto waited until Martinez slowed down, but even an older less-than-great Martinez is a tough fight for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitA tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
That has to be a joke from a normally very sensible poster. Martinez's knees were fine for the majority of his career. Boxing just took its toll on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMajor cojones lol.. its a calculated risk against a vulnerable champ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@bradlee180 - you are right on point, my friend. Two years ago, I would have picked Martinez to KO Cotto, now I'm not so sure. Cotto looked devastating in his last fight and Martinez disappointed. Martinez will have been out for 14 months at the time of this fight if it happens in June, and will have undergone multiple surgeries. On the other hand, this will be the first time in a long time that Martinez is in there with a legitimate junior middleweight (although I think COtto was most effective at 140-147). He finally won't be the smaller man. Can Cotto's power translate to 160? Can he take a punch from Martinez at 160 that he doesn't see? If Martinez's legs are still there, can he fight Martinez? Can Roach configure a game plan to beat Martinez in his second bite at the apple? Will Martinez go back to Sarmiento?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Cotto gets so much props for taking this fight, I can't even tell you. If he signs up for it, win or lose, he's in the HOF. I know most people would put him there already, but I was sort of on the fence. Now there will be no debate.
Major props indeed. Martinez has 3" in height and a whopping 8" in reach advantage. They're both beyond their peak, that's for sure. You ask some good questions about whether Cotto can hurt Martinez at 160, and whether he can take Martinez's punches. It all remains to be seen.
What I like about this matchup is that Cotto is seeking to cement his legacy by fighting a bigger man (another future HOF'er) at a higher weight. He's not looking to fight a little guy, trying to easily cash in on a famous name with little risk. That takes some major "cojones", although haters will always hate.
Cotto is fighting margo's leftover dude... margo knocked out sergio.. lets see how cotto deals with a handicap version.
If Martinez beats Cotto, I easily imagine him going out on his shield against GGG. He wanted another big pay day and he'll get that in a Cotto fight. If he loses, he'll call it a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I think after that fight both guys should retire. Both guys are running on reserves, Martinez with his injuries and Cotto with his wear and tear.
Props to Cotto for taking this fight. He probably think Sergio is there for the taking so if he's ever going to get that defining win this is it.
Agree with the consensus that a couple years ago Sergio would wipe the floor with him, now the gaps narrowed although I'd still make sexy Sergio favourite. He's got the style and reach to make it abit of a beat down too. Should be a good fight with electric atmosphere
Boxing is about business. Lol really? Thanks for the groundbreaking information... yea it is about business and thats the same reason why HBO is dropping rigo so I hope ur not one of those guys who are complaining about the move..Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI don't hate Cotto, he's never been in a bad fight, but boxing is a business and I can't think of a better time to fight Martinez. I like Martinez too, he had some unforgettable fights, but boxing is a business. If you think fighters should pick opponents on some type of honor system then you don't really understand boxing.Quote:
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Originally Posted by IamInuitA tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
LOL... myopic, but utterly predictable. When "Cotto-hate" goes so far as to accuse him of "cherry-picking", it's time to turn the page and move on to sensible posts. 'Nough said.
When Joe Louis was fighting a Bum of the Month, was he cherry picking? I'm pretty sure he knew he could beat those guys and the fans were willing to pay, but according to your honor system he should have skipped those fights and sat on his ass starving.
Boxing is just another way to make money, we can glorify it and glamorize it, but it's still a business.
In this case, its not all about business though cuz if it was, cotto would be facing canelo for 10 million instead of facing martinez for half of that.. martinez was chosen as an opponent because of his age, inactivity, and his knees. They see this as an opportunity for cotto to win a mw title against a vulnerable champ...
Ive been into boxing when u were still swimming inside your daddy's balls kiddo.
I'm 71 this month, you have to be in your 80s, so I'm going to take your advanced age into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaBoxing is about business. Lol really? Thanks for the groundbreaking information... yea it is about business and thats the same reason why HBO is dropping rigo so I hope ur not one of those guys who are complaining about the move..Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI don't hate Cotto, he's never been in a bad fight, but boxing is a business and I can't think of a better time to fight Martinez. I like Martinez too, he had some unforgettable fights, but boxing is a business. If you think fighters should pick opponents on some type of honor system then you don't really understand boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitA tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
LOL... myopic, but utterly predictable. When "Cotto-hate" goes so far as to accuse him of "cherry-picking", it's time to turn the page and move on to sensible posts. 'Nough said.
When Joe Louis was fighting a Bum of the Month, was he cherry picking? I'm pretty sure he knew he could beat those guys and the fans were willing to pay, but according to your honor system he should have skipped those fights and sat on his ass starving.
Boxing is just another way to make money, we can glorify it and glamorize it, but it's still a business.
In this case, its not all about business though cuz if it was, cotto would be facing canelo for 10 million instead of facing martinez for half of that.. martinez was chosen as an opponent because of his age, inactivity, and his knees. They seethis as an opportunity for cotto to win a mw title against a vulnerable champ...
Ive been into boxing when u were still swimming inside your daddy's balls kiddo.
Go back and read my post, we are saying the same thing so I'm confused. Are you pissed because I posted something you already knew, the way I said it or that you didn't post it first?
I'm willing to work with you short timer just give me a chance. Lol
By the way, HBO knows what they have to do to make money and apparently they see Rigo as a mistake. I guess I could send them an email to complain, but secretly I want HBO and SHOWTIME to keep making mistakes on their way to going belly up so you and I can watch the fights for free, like in the old days.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaBoxing is about business. Lol really? Thanks for the groundbreaking information... yea it is about business and thats the same reason why HBO is dropping rigo so I hope ur not one of those guys who are complaining about the move..Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI don't hate Cotto, he's never been in a bad fight, but boxing is a business and I can't think of a better time to fight Martinez. I like Martinez too, he had some unforgettable fights, but boxing is a business. If you think fighters should pick opponents on some type of honor system then you don't really understand boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitA tad myopic dont you think? I mean Cotto is almost as worn out as he is and is not 175 at fight time. I guess Leonard waited Hagler out and Armstrong tried to time out Garcia as did Robinson Lamotta? Pugilistic Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
LOL... myopic, but utterly predictable. When "Cotto-hate" goes so far as to accuse him of "cherry-picking", it's time to turn the page and move on to sensible posts. 'Nough said.
When Joe Louis was fighting a Bum of the Month, was he cherry picking? I'm pretty sure he knew he could beat those guys and the fans were willing to pay, but according to your honor system he should have skipped those fights and sat on his ass starving.
Boxing is just another way to make money, we can glorify it and glamorize it, but it's still a business.
In this case, its not all about business though cuz if it was, cotto would be facing canelo for 10 million instead of facing martinez for half of that.. martinez was chosen as an opponent because of his age, inactivity, and his knees. They see this as an opportunity for cotto to win a mw title against a vulnerable champ...
Ive been into boxing when u were still swimming inside your daddy's balls kiddo.
Fighting Martinez and possibly picking up yet another championship at a higher weight..... AND..... doing it against a surefire future HOF'er...... does more for Cotto's legacy than fighting an overhyped, ginger-haired boy who got schooled against the only elite fighter he's ever faced.
Now.... I know your limited mind only sees the $$$ involved. But Cotto probably decided that a few more million isn't the overriding factor at this stage. He's been one of the smart ones who's made the proper investments and has taken care of his family's future. So he decides to go for the legacy.
You should understand that concept. It's the same one used by De La Hoya when he took the fight with the smaller Pacquiao, thinking he was easy pickings because of his size..... only to have the strategy sadly backfire on him and make him quit on his stool, dejected at having failed in his legacy quest.
So.... admirable though it might be that you care so much about Cotto's potential earnings against Canelo..... you'll just to remain butt-hurt in that Cotto has chosen another path instead. Canelo will just to face younger fighters on the rise, just like him..... and take his chances at not being exposed.
This is a bold step for Cotto, he is taking on the disputed middleweight champion of the world, Sergio may not be as dangerous as he was a few years ago, but Cotto could have taken the money and fought Saul. I think Miguel does not bow down to any particular promoter.
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Key statement that sums it up quite nicely.
After he loses to Sergio, he has Saul as his back up. ;)
Cotto is a good fighter and it takes balls to go against the middleweight champ even if he is on the slide. Think this will get him atg tag and hof induction i am still on the fence on if he will are not right now. His whole career he was never able to get a ring champ or be the man at the weight this might be it. He never got to fight Hatton at lww, lost to Margarito at ww and was beat by Mayweather and trout at lmw. So this will be his chance to be the man at the weight and could be his big break wait and see i guess. Martinez is not the most fundamental sound fighter and relies on his reflexes and power to win fights not sure if the reflexes are still there and his legs are falling apart. Also there is a angry face next to this not sure how i put that there might of hit a button or something.