Juan Manuel Marquez seems not really interested in the Pacquiao 5th fight.

Juan Manuel Marquez seems not really interested in the Pacquiao 5th fight. What could be his main reason of not fighting Pacquiao again?

He feels the rivalry is over and doesnt want to ruin it by risking another fight.. smart move..

He's already a multi multi millionaire and few million dollars more isnt going to make much difference in his life.. satisfaction of knowing that u defeated ur arch enemy and the legacy is more important ..

What if there was a 5th fight and marquez lost by decision.. do we need a 6th fight? This shit would never end....

It was a clean knockout and the only knockout in their rivalry so its over.. marquez would be foolish to fight pac again..

Probably that he doesn't want to make millions of dollars again. I mean if I'm confident that I can beat an opponent and make millions of dollars off of it I wouldn't fight him either right?

I think he knows that he was getting the shit beat out of him in that fight despite actually knocking manny down for the first time in 4 fights. his nose was broken and face was a bloody mess. I'm sure that he knows that fight manny went all out and if he didn't land that punch to knock him out he would've for sure lost either by wide unanimous decision or stoppage. For the record I think marquez won the 3rd fight but he was getting the crap beat out of him the 4th. He doesn't want the fight because with out that punch he would've lost and he knows he probably won't land it again.

It's difficult to top his spectacular KO6 performance in the 4th fight (can he KO Pacquiao in 5 or less rounds?). Why risk of losing some luster of that spectacular KO?

You would have to be pretty slow in the head to want to fight pacman again and marquez aint dumb. He's an accountant so he knows how to weigh shit..

Beating him 4 times is enough. Marquez sees no point in beating him 5 times

If there is a principle involved, could be that he's not willing to accept a much smaller cut than Pac would be getting again? Or just knowing that Arum won't pay him what he could or should do. Of course having the huge KO to close the books on their rivalry is something, but we're talking about a prizefighter here. If Bob Arum told him he'd make the fight next and there would be a 50/50 purse split, Marquez would probably sign on that day. Why else fight at all? He has nothing to prove and is an ancient featherweight. Who else can he make close to the money against.

He's financially set and he isn't going to do better than leaving Pacquiao sniffing the spot where he was standing.

He spent nearly a decade fighting this guy tooth and nail, and getting raw deals by the judges. The 2nd fight was very close and could have went either way, but he won 1 and 3 and got jobbed.

That brutal KO gave him the edge on their rivalry. My guess is he doesn't want to fight again and have Manny take another dubious decision and take the edge back.

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He spent nearly a decade fighting this guy tooth and nail, and getting raw deals by the judges. The 2nd fight was very close and could have went either way, but he won 1 and 3 and got jobbed.

That brutal KO gave him the edge on their rivalry. My guess is he doesn't want to fight again and have Manny take another dubious decision and take the edge back.

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For me 2 was clearer than 1 & 3. I had the 2nd fight 8 rounds to 4 in his favour.

That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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For me 2 was clearer than 1 & 3. I had the 2nd fight 8 rounds to 4 in his favour.

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I think I had it 7-5 for Pacquiao but it's been a while since I saw it, and even then it was obvious that you could easily score it 7-5 or even wider the other way for JMM.

When history looks back on it, JMM will always be that thorn in Pac's side. Like Ken Norton was to Ali (I thought he won all 3 fights). JMM was just a guy who stylistically was poison for Pac, always was and always will be.

HBO reported JMM was seeking twenty million for the fifth fight. They said it during one of those twenty four seven shows leading up to the Bradley fight.

He's KO'd Pac, he feels like he's been robbed a few times vs Pac already....what more is there to do?

At this point JMM can do whatever he wants to

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

JMM won all the fights against Manny but I really think he knows he will get beat next time. Manny had him stopped and got careless, he knows he will not make the same mistake again.

Marquez is one of the few fighters who puts pride and principles before money.. that's why he chose to face chris john for 30k rather than fighting pac for 750k which would have been his career high payday at the time... he turned down that kind of money even when he wasnt a millionaire ...

He clearly dont care whether or not he gets 50-50 split or whatever..

Considering the tremendous, hall of fame career he has had...he can tell Pac and company to fuck off and i have zero problems with that. People keep saying Pac was busting him up before JMM finally caught him. Well...he trained for that kind of punch and result. He put on masterclasses of counter punching in the first three fights and got shafted. So he trained to KO Pac...which he did viciously. Perfect way for him to finish their saga. End of story. Move the fuck on.

Wants to go out on a high note.

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JMM won all the fights against Manny but I really think he knows he will get beat next time. Manny had him stopped and got careless, he knows he will not make the same mistake again.

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I agree but I would not go so far as to say Manny had him stopped. Manny has taken JMM to many cross roads points and never closed the deal. Besides when was the last time Pac has KO'ed anyone. Living in the past Mr Master ..

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

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How does a win over Rios push Pac over JMM based on a common opponent loss to Bradley? Its 50/50 or no go. The mindset that all you have that Pac deserves the bigger purse is why no Mayweather fight has evolved.

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Probably that he doesn't want to make millions of dollars again. I mean if I'm confident that I can beat an opponent and make millions of dollars off of it I wouldn't fight him either right?

I think he knows that he was getting the shit beat out of him in that fight despite actually knocking manny down for the first time in 4 fights. his nose was broken and face was a bloody mess. I'm sure that he knows that fight manny went all out and if he didn't land that punch to knock him out he would've for sure lost either by wide unanimous decision or stoppage. For the record I think marquez won the 3rd fight but he was getting the crap beat out of him the 4th. He doesn't want the fight because with out that punch he would've lost and he knows he probably won't land it again.

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Your spot on. The other fights were close i agree, but before that ko, he was getting mashed up. I think age is catching up and he aint getting younger. Another fight with pac would be very dangerous for him, because of age, and the fact that it will be a flat out war. I think pac skills have not diminished as much as jmm. A rematch would be a pac tko or stoppage imo, unless jmm comes in 20 pounds heavier (angel), then it will be a tko.

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JMM won all the fights against Manny but I really think he knows he will get beat next time. Manny had him stopped and got careless, he knows he will not make the same mistake again.

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I agree but I would not go so far as to say Manny had him stopped. Manny has taken JMM to many cross roads points and never closed the deal. Besides when was the last time Pac has KO'ed anyone. Living in the past Mr Master ..

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All the blood leaking out of his broken nose would have either made him weak or killed his breathing. The fight wouldve been stopped

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He's KO'd Pac, he feels like he's been robbed a few times vs Pac already....what more is there to do?

At this point JMM can do whatever he wants to

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That's the answer right there, he's tired of fighting Manny so he is not going to. He said the same thing after the fight. He's gonna do what he wants.

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JMM won all the fights against Manny but I really think he knows he will get beat next time. Manny had him stopped and got careless, he knows he will not make the same mistake again.

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I agree but I would not go so far as to say Manny had him stopped. Manny has taken JMM to many cross roads points and never closed the deal. Besides when was the last time Pac has KO'ed anyone. Living in the past Mr Master ..

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All the blood leaking out of his broken nose would have either made him weak or killed his breathing. The fight wouldve been stopped

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Yes maybe stopped than knocked out. Pac really tripped into that punch, one in a million chance.

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

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How does a win over Rios push Pac over JMM based on a common opponent loss to Bradley? Its 50/50 or no go. The mindset that all you have that Pac deserves the bigger purse is why no Mayweather fight has evolved.

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Pac is worth much more than Marquez regardless of his KO loss. Marquez-Bradley did 300,000 PPV. Pac-Rios did 500,000. Pac-Bradley did 750,000.

Pac's guarantee against Rios was $18m. Marquez made $6m against Bradley. Pac got $26m+ against Bradley.

When it comes to money, it doesn't matter who the better fighter is, just who's the better seller.

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

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How does a win over Rios push Pac over JMM based on a common opponent loss to Bradley? Its 50/50 or no go. The mindset that all you have that Pac deserves the bigger purse is why no Mayweather fight has evolved.

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Pac is worth much more than Marquez regardless of his KO loss. Marquez-Bradley did 300,000 PPV. Pac-Rios did 500,000. Pac-Bradley did 750,000.

Pac's guarantee against Rios was $18m. Marquez made $6m against Bradley. Pac got $26m+ against Bradley.

When it comes to money, it doesn't matter who the better fighter is, just who's the better seller.

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The public will not pay to see another Rios like caliber vs Pac. Half of the intrigue was the comeback itself. But the problem is not JMM it is Bradley does not sell . Pac vs Bradley was not all that successful and neither will the rematch with either of the two. However JMM just fights the fights he needs/wants . Pac fights for Arums big top Circus.

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

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How does a win over Rios push Pac over JMM based on a common opponent loss to Bradley? Its 50/50 or no go. The mindset that all you have that Pac deserves the bigger purse is why no Mayweather fight has evolved.

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Pac is worth much more than Marquez regardless of his KO loss. Marquez-Bradley did 300,000 PPV. Pac-Rios did 500,000. Pac-Bradley did 750,000.

Pac's guarantee against Rios was $18m. Marquez made $6m against Bradley. Pac got $26m+ against Bradley.

When it comes to money, it doesn't matter who the better fighter is, just who's the better seller.

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The public will not pay to see another Rios like caliber vs Pac. Half of the intrigue was the comeback itself. But the problem is not JMM it is Bradley does not sell . Pac vs Bradley was not all that successful and neither will the rematch with either of the two. However JMM just fights the fights he needs/wants . Pac fights for Arums big top Circus.

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You forgot to mention that the 18 million was guaranteed Chinese money. Address the venue and its importance. Then you see Pac vs Rios was a real flop and dispels you comment.

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Probably that he doesn't want to make millions of dollars again. I mean if I'm confident that I can beat an opponent and make millions of dollars off of it I wouldn't fight him either right?

I think he knows that he was getting the shit beat out of him in that fight despite actually knocking manny down for the first time in 4 fights. his nose was broken and face was a bloody mess. I'm sure that he knows that fight manny went all out and if he didn't land that punch to knock him out he would've for sure lost either by wide unanimous decision or stoppage. For the record I think marquez won the 3rd fight but he was getting the crap beat out of him the 4th. He doesn't want the fight because with out that punch he would've lost and he knows he probably won't land it again.

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Your spot on. The other fights were close i agree, but before that ko, he was getting mashed up. I think age is catching up and he aint getting younger. Another fight with pac would be very dangerous for him, because of age, and the fact that it will be a flat out war. I think pac skills have not diminished as much as jmm. A rematch would be a pac tko or stoppage imo, unless jmm comes in 20 pounds heavier (angel), then it will be a tko.

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Pac actually has diminished just as much as JMM if not more. JMM is technically a superb fighter. Pac's biggest advantage was always his athleticism. But Manny has slowed down considerably. I know some people want to make his performance against Rios bigger than it is...but i actually think he has been slipping for quite sometime. AGAIN...i don't care if he was busting up Marquez before he got knocked the fuck out. JMM trained for that kind of fight. He knew he would take more punishment looking to land that one KO punch. End of the day...Marquez won the fight emphatically. And lets not forget...Marquez not only seems content with his career...he seems to be financially stable. While he might not be the big draw Pac is...he doesn't owe his government a shit load of money in taxes. Marquez doesn't need Pac. But of course for all the Pac jockers...they can always fall back on the "one in a million" punch excuse :rolleyes:

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Probably that he doesn't want to make millions of dollars again. I mean if I'm confident that I can beat an opponent and make millions of dollars off of it I wouldn't fight him either right?

I think he knows that he was getting the shit beat out of him in that fight despite actually knocking manny down for the first time in 4 fights. his nose was broken and face was a bloody mess. I'm sure that he knows that fight manny went all out and if he didn't land that punch to knock him out he would've for sure lost either by wide unanimous decision or stoppage. For the record I think marquez won the 3rd fight but he was getting the crap beat out of him the 4th. He doesn't want the fight because with out that punch he would've lost and he knows he probably won't land it again.

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Your spot on. The other fights were close i agree, but before that ko, he was getting mashed up. I think age is catching up and he aint getting younger. Another fight with pac would be very dangerous for him, because of age, and the fact that it will be a flat out war. I think pac skills have not diminished as much as jmm. A rematch would be a pac tko or stoppage imo, unless jmm comes in 20 pounds heavier (angel), then it will be a tko.

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Pac actually has diminished just as much as JMM if not more. JMM is technically a superb fighter. Pac's biggest advantage was always his athleticism. But Manny has slowed down considerably. I know some people want to make his performance against Rios bigger than it is...but i actually think he has been slipping for quite sometime. AGAIN...i don't care if he was busting up Marquez before he got knocked the fuck out. JMM trained for that kind of fight. He knew he would take more punishment looking to land that one KO punch. End of the day...Marquez won the fight emphatically. And lets not forget...Marquez not only seems content with his career...he seems to be financially stable. While he might not be the big draw Pac is...he doesn't owe his government a shit load of money in taxes. Marquez doesn't need Pac. But of course for all the Pac jockers...they can always fall back on the "one in a million" punch excuse :rolleyes:

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They fought 4 times! F.O.U.R. I understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to end on this note, but then again... Tough luck. I mean seriously, 3 fights was actually already enough but they wanted to roll the dice one more time. Pacquiao's team probably figured he could take the aged Marquez. Well they guessed wrong. There comes a time when you just gotta let it go.

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

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How does a win over Rios push Pac over JMM based on a common opponent loss to Bradley? Its 50/50 or no go. The mindset that all you have that Pac deserves the bigger purse is why no Mayweather fight has evolved.

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Pac is worth much more than Marquez regardless of his KO loss. Marquez-Bradley did 300,000 PPV. Pac-Rios did 500,000. Pac-Bradley did 750,000.

Pac's guarantee against Rios was $18m. Marquez made $6m against Bradley. Pac got $26m+ against Bradley.

When it comes to money, it doesn't matter who the better fighter is, just who's the better seller.

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The public will not pay to see another Rios like caliber vs Pac. Half of the intrigue was the comeback itself. But the problem is not JMM it is Bradley does not sell . Pac vs Bradley was not all that successful and neither will the rematch with either of the two. However JMM just fights the fights he needs/wants . Pac fights for Arums big top Circus.

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You forgot to mention that the 18 million was guaranteed Chinese money. Address the venue and its importance. Then you see Pac vs Rios was a real flop and dispels you comment.

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"dispels you comment?" What?

I produced figures that show how much bigger a draw/earner Pac is than Marquez. That's all. I think both are great fighters. If you want to ignore facts like that feel free.

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Tho his loss to Bradley lowered that high note a bit. Losing to Pacquiao in the 5th fight will further lower that note so its better to preserve it that way.

I would be very interested in Manny v JMM 5, after the last fight who would not be?

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I would be very interested in Manny v JMM 5, after the last fight who would not be?

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I would be very interested in Manny v JMM 5, after the last fight who would not be?

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That's all very true, but I doubt any of that would deter him if the money was right. Besides, if he isn't confident that he could KO Manny again, he shouldn't be fighting anyone. I don't want to see a fifth fight, but where else does he go?
Anyone know what he made for the 4th fight, or against Bradley in comparison? I'd imagine he could fight any 3 guys and not make as much as he would given a closer split with Pacman.

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$6 million against both. Bear in mind Pac's money was $25m/Bradley's $4m. So obviously a Pac fight is worth shitloads more than anyone else.

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Wow, thanks. Guess that's half your answer right there. He's clearly never going to get anywhere near a 50/50 split with Manny(nor should he), but he'd certainly demand a lot more than he got for any of the first 4 after scoring that KO. I'd bet the loss to Bradley hurt his earning power as far as other prospective fights as well.

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How does a win over Rios push Pac over JMM based on a common opponent loss to Bradley? Its 50/50 or no go. The mindset that all you have that Pac deserves the bigger purse is why no Mayweather fight has evolved.

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Pac is worth much more than Marquez regardless of his KO loss. Marquez-Bradley did 300,000 PPV. Pac-Rios did 500,000. Pac-Bradley did 750,000.

Pac's guarantee against Rios was $18m. Marquez made $6m against Bradley. Pac got $26m+ against Bradley.

When it comes to money, it doesn't matter who the better fighter is, just who's the better seller.

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The public will not pay to see another Rios like caliber vs Pac. Half of the intrigue was the comeback itself. But the problem is not JMM it is Bradley does not sell . Pac vs Bradley was not all that successful and neither will the rematch with either of the two. However JMM just fights the fights he needs/wants . Pac fights for Arums big top Circus.

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You forgot to mention that the 18 million was guaranteed Chinese money. Address the venue and its importance. Then you see Pac vs Rios was a real flop and dispels you comment.

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"dispels you comment?" What?

I produced figures that show how much bigger a draw/earner Pac is than Marquez. That's all. I think both are great fighters. If you want to ignore facts like that feel free.

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I have to agree with after the Bradley loss. Had JMM won that would not be the case. The reason Pac out draws JMM is Arum always puts little dollars into JMM fights

I'm always interested in seeing JMM/Pac. They had 4 epic wars.