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Rumble in the Jungle II - Frank Warren's Big Idea - Chisora v Wlad
Stadium shows and ‘Rumble in the Jungle II’: Dereck Chisora plots ultimate redemption in 2014 | The Pugilist - Yahoo Eurosport UK
Okay, I know at first look the idea of Chisora v Klitschko again may not be a particularly appetizing match up. Nonetheless, Chisora did pick up a few rounds against Vitali, and Klitschko has often been said to be ever so slightly chinnier than Vitali. First off Chisora needs to get through Rudenko next month, and possibly past Tyson Fury too, who beat him in their last meeting. That is two big if's right there, however, it is the 40th anniversary angle on the rumble in the jungle that is really interesting.
While the matchup isn't great, I still think taking two heavyweights out of their comfort zone into the sticky heat of an African jungle city still has that magical aspect that will bring people in. I never buy PPV's, frankly, I rarely think a fight is worth paying above what I already pay for my sports channels. However, Wlad v Chisora in a jungle city in Africa, I'll shell out good money for that. I think Wlad would still win, but the heat, humidity and unusual circumstances should be enough of a wildcard to make it interesting. As an idea, this one definitely has legs.
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This idea definitely has legs if you've been taking drugs or have gone completely nuts. There's more chance of an alien invasion than that happening.
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"Comfort zone"...?
Del Boy grew up in a township in Zimbabwe or somewhere like that.
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Good idea and would be an amazing event but I cant see Wlad giving up home ground and risking everything in some seriously humid conditions that would massively favour Chisora.
Maybe the lure of the $$$ could swing it around.
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Fenster
This idea definitely has legs if you've been taking drugs or have gone completely nuts. There's more chance of an alien invasion than that happening.
I can't believe you don't think it would be an interesting concept. I'll get my tinfoil hat ready for our visitors!
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Sorry for being a miserable cunt but it's clearly just Chisora's fantasy. And it's a good story when you're at a press conference to sell your upcoming fight that otherwise wouldn't have got a mention. Just like Warren announces a deal with Tyson Fury that hadn't even been signed.
Chisora knows a man in South Africa that assured him as long as he becomes mandatory they'll win the purse bids and force Klitschko into Africa. ;D
"Delboy, Bomaye"
"Delboy, Bomaye"
"Delboy, Bomaye"
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He wants Klistschko in the jungle where the Lamoombah boys live..
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Re: Rumble in the Jungle II - Frank Warren's Big Idea - Chisora v Wlad
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Frank Warren should be clubbed to death like a baby fur seal and Dereck Chisora should be committed.
I think Chisora vs Price is a decent enough fight
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El Kabong
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Frank Warren should be clubbed to death like a baby fur seal and Dereck Chisora should be committed.
I think Chisora vs Price is a decent enough fight
Price is on the yellow brick road with Dorothy, the scarecrow and the lion;D
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I know where Price is ross, he'll make a comeback if he stays dedicated but he's got to change some things up.
Chisora meanwhile is an aging pressure fighter, 30 years old and counting. With very little punching power....he'll start fading noticeably very soon.
As for Chisora taking rounds off Vitali...Vitali was fighting with 1 arm for the majority of the fight and he still won EASILY. Not as easily as usual but easily enough.
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El Kabong
I know where Price is ross, he'll make a comeback if he stays dedicated but he's got to change some things up.
Chisora meanwhile is an aging pressure fighter, 30 years old and counting. With very little punching power....he'll start fading noticeably very soon.
As for Chisora taking rounds off Vitali...Vitali was fighting with 1 arm for the majority of the fight and he still won EASILY. Not as easily as usual but easily enough.
His most notable performance will remain the Vitali fight. It all happened too soon for him and he has already begun a decline. Hes looked vulnerable in his last couple of fights against people that Fury would take shit for if he signed to fight them.
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superheavyrhun
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Fenster
This idea definitely has legs if you've been taking drugs or have gone completely nuts. There's more chance of an alien invasion than that happening.
I can't believe you don't think it would be an interesting concept. I'll get my tinfoil hat ready for our visitors!
It cost $ 23 million to get Wlad to fight a damp squib in Russia, do you really think an unknown African will pay as much if not more to have Chisora fight Wlad in another continent?
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ross
His most notable performance will remain the Vitali fight. It all happened too soon for him and he has already begun a decline. Hes looked vulnerable in his last couple of fights against people that Fury would take shit for if he signed to fight them.
His notable performance WILL be the Vitali fight but not for his actual fighting, but for his disrespectful and cuntish behavior
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You pay Wlad and he will fight you anywhere and he will beat Chisora. He does not forget the spitting of water in his face.
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Let's be honest, the Chisora that had some good moments against Vitali was not just a little to do with the fact that Dereck was a 28yr old man and Vitali was in his 41st year.
I find it amusing how against a Klitschko anything less than a total dominating performance is considered being pressed to the limit, overlooking the fact that Vitali won nearly every round!!
Wladimir is much sharper than Vitali and I don't think he would let Chisora inside, atleast not without being hugged.
This isn't a really competitive fight and Rumble in the Jungle 2 it will not live up to!!
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I find it amusing how against a Klitschko anything less than a total dominating performance is considered being pressed to the limit, overlooking the fact that Vitali won nearly every round!!
he won nearly every round whilst fighting with a shoulder injury too... the fight wasnt that close at all, I don't think chisora woudl be talked about for big fights just now if it wasnt for his mildly amusing antics.. good win v malik scott to be fair.
There are worse opponents for wladimir than chisora out there but del boy hasnt done much to be seperate himself from the pack.
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Oh I agree that Chisora would still be decent opponent for Wlad but things have to be adjusted to the truth. As stated he won nearly every round and with a shoulder injury too I even forgot about that.
We have also seen him beaten handily by Haye.
Chisora gets promoted as the most dangerous fighter that Wlad could fight and that Wlad is ducking him.
Wladimir pulled out of their fight due to injury, then when he came back Chisora had been beaten and Haye/Klitschko was the fight to be made not Chisora who then went on to get blasted by the other brother. That's not ducking, it's called stiff shit. Haye was the more dangerous opponent anyway!
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Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
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ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Haye and Sam Peter I'd have to say were his most dangerous.
Doubt that was the highest ever for a non title. Mike Tyson made loads in non title fights.
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ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Wlad got paid the most to fight Povetkin....so much for Haye being "Mr. Moneybags" :rolleyes:
Haye was a dangerous opponent, ON PAPER, he didn't come to fight he just wanted to get paid. The first time Wlad fought Sam Peter it was a very tough fight at a very vulnerable time for Wlad. Wlad was seen as washed up, an all hype fighter, and Sam Peter was the next big thing and Wlad completely schooled him AND more important Wlad showed the heart of a true champion getting up off the canvas and winning that fight. Jameel McCline when Wlad fought him was tough, Tony Thompson has only ever been stopped by Wlad, he's had some very tough opponents to beat.
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Hulk
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Haye and Sam Peter I'd have to say were his most dangerous.
Doubt that was the highest ever for a non title. Mike Tyson made loads in non title fights.
I reckon it will be.
Don't forget, Fury has never fought for a world title whereas Mike was a former undisputed great;)
Has any fighter thats never fought for a title yet ever been offered that much?
As long as Fury keeps winning, he's going to be the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for years!
Wlads most dangerous opponent pulled out against Tyson Fury twice!
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Wlads most dangerous opponent pulled out against Tyson Fury twice!
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It took David Haye 4 years to muster up enough courage to fight Wlad and once he did David ran away like a scared little child.
Also all of this shit talking is going to make Fury's losses SOOOOO fucking epic
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Wlad got paid the most to fight Povetkin....so much for Haye being "Mr. Moneybags" :rolleyes:
Haye was a dangerous opponent, ON PAPER, he didn't come to fight he just wanted to get paid. The first time Wlad fought Sam Peter it was a very tough fight at a very vulnerable time for Wlad. Wlad was seen as washed up, an all hype fighter, and Sam Peter was the next big thing and Wlad completely schooled him AND more important Wlad showed the heart of a true champion getting up off the canvas and winning that fight. Jameel McCline when Wlad fought him was tough, Tony Thompson has only ever been stopped by Wlad, he's had some very tough opponents to beat.
Behave.
K2 promotions (that's Klits firm) bid $7 million for the Povetkin fight, Sauerland Bros bid $6 million and a Russian oligarch won the bid for a ridiculous $23 million. It was a freak deal.
Haye/Wlad both made more than the entire fight purse K2 bid to stage the Povetkin fight.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Wlad got paid the most to fight Povetkin....so much for Haye being "Mr. Moneybags" :rolleyes:
Haye was a dangerous opponent, ON PAPER, he didn't come to fight he just wanted to get paid. The first time Wlad fought Sam Peter it was a very tough fight at a very vulnerable time for Wlad. Wlad was seen as washed up, an all hype fighter, and Sam Peter was the next big thing and Wlad completely schooled him AND more important Wlad showed the heart of a true champion getting up off the canvas and winning that fight. Jameel McCline when Wlad fought him was tough, Tony Thompson has only ever been stopped by Wlad, he's had some very tough opponents to beat.
Behave.
K2 promotions (that's Klits firm) bid $7 million for the Povetkin fight, Sauerland Bros bid $6 million and a Russian oligarch won the bid for a ridiculous $23 million. It was a freak deal.
Haye/Wlad both made more than the entire fight purse K2 bid to stage the Povetkin fight.
Haye was supposed to bring MORE money, MORE fans....Haye didn't do jack except have the Brits believing they'd have a new champion and that was the saddest con of all ;D
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ross
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Hulk
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Haye and Sam Peter I'd have to say were his most dangerous.
Doubt that was the highest ever for a non title. Mike Tyson made loads in non title fights.
I reckon it will be.
Don't forget, Fury has never fought for a world title whereas Mike was a former undisputed great;)
Has any fighter thats never fought for a title yet ever been offered that much?
As long as Fury keeps winning, he's going to be the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for years!
Wlads most dangerous opponent pulled out against Tyson Fury twice!
Not everyone is lucky enough to be a Haye opponent.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Haye and Sam Peter I'd have to say were his most dangerous.
Doubt that was the highest ever for a non title. Mike Tyson made loads in non title fights.
I reckon it will be.
Don't forget, Fury has never fought for a world title whereas Mike was a former undisputed great;)
Has any fighter thats never fought for a title yet ever been offered that much?
As long as Fury keeps winning, he's going to be the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for years!
Wlads most dangerous opponent pulled out against Tyson Fury twice!
Not everyone is lucky enough to be a Haye opponent.
Yep, Fury is down in history with Wlad as making Haye run;)
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Wlad got paid the most to fight Povetkin....so much for Haye being "Mr. Moneybags" :rolleyes:
Haye was a dangerous opponent, ON PAPER, he didn't come to fight he just wanted to get paid. The first time Wlad fought Sam Peter it was a very tough fight at a very vulnerable time for Wlad. Wlad was seen as washed up, an all hype fighter, and Sam Peter was the next big thing and Wlad completely schooled him AND more important Wlad showed the heart of a true champion getting up off the canvas and winning that fight. Jameel McCline when Wlad fought him was tough, Tony Thompson has only ever been stopped by Wlad, he's had some very tough opponents to beat.
Behave.
K2 promotions (that's Klits firm) bid $7 million for the Povetkin fight, Sauerland Bros bid $6 million and a Russian oligarch won the bid for a ridiculous $23 million. It was a freak deal.
Haye/Wlad both made more than the entire fight purse K2 bid to stage the Povetkin fight.
Haye was supposed to bring MORE money, MORE fans....Haye didn't do jack except have the Brits believing they'd have a new champion and that was the saddest con of all ;D
Who was Wlad fighting when he made his biggest purse (outside of the freak last one) and got his highest ever TV audience, not only in Germany, but around the world?
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Shit I don't know, I DO know like 50K showed up to watch him fight Eddie Chambers....give the guy some fucking credit
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
ross
Who was Wlads biggest fight against? Was it Haye? Was Haye Wlads most dangerous regarded opponent?
Is Furys £5 million purse (for the scheduled Haye fight) a record for a contender to fight in a none title fight?
Haye and Sam Peter I'd have to say were his most dangerous.
Doubt that was the highest ever for a non title. Mike Tyson made loads in non title fights.
I reckon it will be.
Don't forget, Fury has never fought for a world title whereas Mike was a former undisputed great;)
Has any fighter thats never fought for a title yet ever been offered that much?
As long as Fury keeps winning, he's going to be the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for years!
Wlads most dangerous opponent pulled out against Tyson Fury twice!
Not everyone is lucky enough to be a Haye opponent.
Yep, Fury is down in history with Wlad as making Haye run;)
Unfortunately for Fury he never saw a pound note of his greatest ever payday. Maybe if he has 12 fights on BoxNation in the next few years he'll catchup. :)
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El Kabong
Shit I don't know, I DO know like 50K showed up to watch him fight Eddie Chambers....give the guy some fucking credit
Give the guy some credit? You're the one that can't accept Haye was Wlad's biggest payday and still most high profile victory to date.
Yes Wlad sold 50,000 tickets against Chambers but did HBO buy the fight? Was it PPV in Britain? Was it sold to hundreds of countries around the world?
TV money!!! Why do you think Floyd makes $50m a fight and Wlad $5m?
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Fenster
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El Kabong
Shit I don't know, I DO know like 50K showed up to watch him fight Eddie Chambers....give the guy some fucking credit
Give the guy some credit? You're the one that can't accept Haye was Wlad's biggest payday and still most high profile victory to date.
Yes Wlad sold 50,000 tickets against Chambers but did HBO buy the fight? Was it PPV in Britain? Was it sold to hundreds of countries around the world?
TV money!!! Why do you think Floyd makes $50m a fight and Wlad $5m?
Wlad will be loved by Germans as much as our Frank is over here for fighting on mainstream TV long after Floyd has spent his money and retired.
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Honestly, Haye's ridiculous circumstances regarding the injuries prior to the Klitschko matches and recently prior to the Fury one are imo legit, just unfortunate and yes, rather disappointing!
But who the hell would really bet against David Haye in a Fury fight! Give THAT guy some credit. Fury has Haye's stupidity to thank in reality for him still being relevant in championship boxing for the immediate future. Had that fight gone ahead, Tyson would have gone the way of the dodo!!
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I don't believe Fury should give Chisora a rematch just yet.... Fury should keep his eyes on the title and the next steps. Fighting Chisora again will win him nothing and he risks more than Chisora...
Chisora, if I were Tyson Fury, would be better off finding another path to a title. Cuz it won't be through me.
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Max Power
Honestly, Haye's ridiculous circumstances regarding the injuries prior to the Klitschko matches and recently prior to the Fury one are imo legit, just unfortunate and yes, rather disappointing!
But who the hell would really bet against David Haye in a Fury fight! Give THAT guy some credit. Fury has Haye's stupidity to thank in reality for him still being relevant in championship boxing for the immediate future. Had that fight gone ahead, Tyson would have gone the way of the dodo!!
Since 2007 Haye has had one foot out the door with regard to retiring. He should just do so already... he has already tarnished his image with his lack of fight spirit.
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David Haye has been a part time fighter for a long time, if he just fought regularly he would more than likely be the 2nd best heavyweight with Vitali retired and Wlad being #1.
It's a real shame because Haye has/had talent, he just never capitalized on it
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superheavyrhun
Stadium shows and ‘Rumble in the Jungle II’: Dereck Chisora plots ultimate redemption in 2014 | The Pugilist - Yahoo Eurosport UK
Okay, I know at first look the idea of Chisora v Klitschko again may not be a particularly appetizing match up. Nonetheless, Chisora did pick up a few rounds against Vitali, and
Klitschko has often been said to be ever so slightly chinnier than Vitali. First off Chisora needs to get through Rudenko next month, and possibly past Tyson Fury too, who beat him in their last meeting. That is two big if's right there, however, it is the 40th anniversary angle on the rumble in the jungle that is really interesting.
While the matchup isn't great, I still think taking two heavyweights out of their comfort zone into the sticky heat of an African jungle city still has that magical aspect that will bring people in. I never buy PPV's, frankly, I rarely think a fight is worth paying above what I already pay for my sports channels. However, Wlad v Chisora in a jungle city in Africa, I'll shell out good money for that. I think Wlad would still win, but the heat, humidity and unusual circumstances should be enough of a wildcard to make it interesting. As an idea, this one definitely has legs.
Lol, slightly.
