Just hearing from Deontay Wilders manager that they're lining Fres Oqendo up as his next opponent. what do you guys think of this match? And are we still suprised that his potential opponent is still of quite poor standard?
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Just hearing from Deontay Wilders manager that they're lining Fres Oqendo up as his next opponent. what do you guys think of this match? And are we still suprised that his potential opponent is still of quite poor standard?
Yuck
And the bum tour continues choo choo! Another easy KO for wilder..
Yeah this shits gona bite deontay in the ass sooner or later, probably later the way his career is going. fighting complete stiffs and has beens with no improvement in competition, what the hell is the point???
Why is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you make a fair point... fres is older now and was never that great even in his younger days :S but he is skilled and has been winning fights recently and has been fairly active, wilder could fight a lot worse for sure.. i think this is the right way for wilder to go.. he needs to step it up but one thing at a time.. if he gets through oquendo he needs to keep upping the competition like this....Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhy is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I'm looking forward to this onew will be interesting to see how he deals with a skilled guy
naw man that has nothing to do with it.. Even when he was young, I viewed him as nothing more than a fringe contender type, a stepping stone for the good prospects and contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhy is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Just look at his history.. He couldnt even beat an ancient McCall, Holyfield and Toney.. Lost to a CW in Mormeck and got knocked out by Ruiz.. What more needs to be said?
He may not be shot like Liakhovich but he sure aint a better fighter than Liakhovich..
I would literally be shocked if Oquendo gave WIlder problems..
Literally shocked? Haha
It's not good but it's not awful considering the rest of his weak competition. Fres is ranked 34 in the world. If he takes on a top 20 guy next this fight is passable.
I think its laughable how he can go from his current level of opponents to fighting for the WBC title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
:beatdeadhorse: If this is the height to which his people are aiming to prove something I'm convinced there are skeletons in his closet. Fres is a tricky cat...but he's also yet another 40 yr old who last fought a guy previously destroyed by the formidable Audley Harrison *cough* just prior. This is stay busy additional padding considering Wilder is all but guaranteed a title shot from wbc. Wilder strikes me like a guy where people have become so desperate for a step up that we could be missing what is yet just another step sideways. Enough baby steps.
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Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24I think its laughable how he can go from his current level of opponents to fighting for the WBC title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Agreed. I think you should need at least 2 top 20 wins and at least 1 top 10 win before you get a crack at a belt, and preferably more than that.
isn't Oquendo 42 ?
Pointless fight...
When's this guy gonna fight a live one?
Aren't you excited? this fight is " giant step up " according to IamInuit.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
wilder's on the road to being this generation's faruq the dream saleem...
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...5680&cat=boxer
Deontay Wilder may well be a KO king for real , however his choice of opponents suggests he is a paper tiger , only time will tell I guess.
He was unlucky not to win the 3 fights in bold. If he got fair decisions hed be on a 13 fight winning spree. Never stopped early so hopefully hell give Wilder a few rounds. I reckon hell be stopped in the 5th or 6th but its better then his recent fights. Him and Liackhovic are similar standards, prime for prime, Liackhovic is better but he was completely shot when he fought Wilder so this does represent a step upQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitanaw man that has nothing to do with it.. Even when he was young, I viewed him as nothing more than a fringe contender type, a stepping stone for the good prospects and contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhy is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Just look at his history.. He couldnt even beat an ancient McCall, Holyfield and Toney.. Lost to a CW in Mormeck and got knocked out by Ruiz.. What more needs to be said?
He may not be shot like Liakhovich but he sure aint a better fighter than Liakhovich..
I would literally be shocked if Oquendo gave WIlder problems..
Prepare to be shocked;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitanaw man that has nothing to do with it.. Even when he was young, I viewed him as nothing more than a fringe contender type, a stepping stone for the good prospects and contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhy is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Just look at his history.. He couldnt even beat an ancient McCall, Holyfield and Toney.. Lost to a CW in Mormeck and got knocked out by Ruiz.. What more needs to be said?
He may not be shot like Liakhovich but he sure aint a better fighter than Liakhovich..
I would literally be shocked if Oquendo gave WIlder problems..
Oquendo is fairly decent, the Toney fight in particular was very close. He does nothing special, but has all the fundamentals in place. Against Windmill Man he could be surprisingly effective. I wouldn't rule Oquendo out at all.
He's not a bum, but he was never great even in his "day" and he's been irrelevant in the HW division for quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhy is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Deontay is 30-0, he should be fighting a top 10 guy at this point.
Wilder has been on a bum of the month campaign since he started his career. This is actually a step up for him. It's extremely sad that it has taken so long, but finally a half decent fighter on a semi-decent run of form.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe's not a bum, but he was never great even in his "day" and he's been irrelevant in the HW division for quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhy is Fres a bum? Is it because he's from Puerto Rico? He's actually a giant step up compared to what Wilder has faced. He's also been robbed about three times over the last few years. I think he's a live spoiler in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Deontay is 30-0, he should be fighting a top 10 guy at this point.
Wilder hasn't shown that he is top 10 material at all yet, and again, a further sad reflection on the padding of his rather woeful looking career record.
If I was Wilders promoter this is the kind of fight id take for Wilder. Id be keeping him away from a world title until at least the end of the year.
Fres Oquendo is a good fighter. He would beat everyone that Wilder has already faced. Hes good enough to at least trouble Wilder and make him learn. So fa in his career he hasnt learnt how to fight through being hurt and he will get hurt. He hasnt had to deal with anyone really throwing much back. Look how badly Price was moved. His level of opponent went static and plataued with Sexton, Harrison and Skelton then all of a sudden a huge jump to Thompson!
I can even see Oquendo beating Wilder. This is the first opponent he will have had that should be able to get past Wilders punches and give him something back. It will be interesting to see how Wilder reacts to pressure.
This is the perfect opponent for Wilder at this point and as long as he does actually win he will need another 1 or 2 opponents on this level before he thinks of challenging whoever is holding the belt when and if he ever gets there.
I thought Oquendo may have been Tyson Furys opponent for February. Lots of fun entertaining fights to be made at the moment. With all the good prospects coming theough all the older names will make some good fights.
I keep reading 30 fights means.....30 fights means Jack. The kid hasn't gotten rounds and he hasn't improved enough to throw to the wolves. He's still a prospect hype or not and needs development. If he doesn't show improvement soon they'll probably tell him it's timee to sink or swim. But right now you have a very dynamic athlete that could be worth 100 million dollars. You give that kind of commodity a chance.
I get that people want to see him exposed, his technique is awful. But there is no exposure in getting him a loss, everyone knows his technique is awful.
Yup. But, everyone is waiting on that Chris Byrd/David Tua moment. That moment when we expected a big puncher to blast away a smaller, older and less harder punching opponent- and the fight went the distance in an amazing, turn around UD for the guy that was supposed to get his head knocked off!!Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
But, speaking of Tua, he was getting beat by Fres until Fres got lazy and got caught- then it was a matter of seconds before the fight ended.
Can Fres take a Wilder punch and not go down in smoke? We will have to see.
I don't think anyone is excited about the 30 fights, it's the 30 KOs that have our attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Wilder and his team do have a different way of doing things. It seems they want to ease into a belt without taking a single chance. I suppose Wilder will start taking chances and showing us some exciting fights after he becomes a belt holder.
I really don't think I'd want to see Wilder with a belt, it would be more of the same BS we're seeing now. Don't know about the rest of you but I've seen all I can take of Wilder and his idiot handlers.
I'm hoping Oquendo wins if this fight happens
Probably not. Wilder does have genuine power but with the more live, experienced fighters like Oquendo the question will be can he actually land them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaYup. But, everyone is waiting on that Chris Byrd/David Tua moment. That moment when we expected a big puncher to blast away a smaller, older and less harder punching opponent- and the fight went the distance in an amazing, turn around UD for the guy that was supposed to get his head knocked off!!Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
But, speaking of Tua, he was getting beat by Fres until Fres got lazy and got caught- then it was a matter of seconds before the fight ended.
Can Fres take a Wilder punch and not go down in smoke? We will have to see.
I keep thinking about Fres embarrassing and totally bending over a hyped up face first "reminds me of Tyson" ( yeh, that was actually repeated by some clown on HBO) Cliff Etienne. This 'kid' is developing..right into bad habits and false confidence. I'll bet money he proves to be more Etienne and Derrick Jefferson then he does even a Grant :-X
Jefferson was a nice guy and decent fighter. Don't remember him having power like Wilder though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I hope Wilder pans out. He's exciting n could revitalize the heavyweight division. He's still a long shot at this point but one Oquendo at a time he's getting closer.
Where would this put Oquendo in the heavyweight scene if he were to come of of his with a decent performance or (however unlikely) a win?
Then he steps outa the homeless shelter and becomes a gate keeper for his next two fights or so..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24
Wilder could be 60-0, doesn't make a difference until he fights someone with a pulse.
He is now a name fighter and could callout any top heavy, but will continue avoiding a real challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdTNqw-g5A ;D I know, that was a slow pitch over the plate but I had toQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkJefferson was a nice guy and decent fighter. Don't remember him having power like Wilder though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I hope Wilder pans out. He's exciting n could revitalize the heavyweight division. He's still a long shot at this point but one Oquendo at a time he's getting closer.
Seriously though...Wilder hasn't done anything remotely in the same stratosphere as impressive as that against a "live" guy on a serious hot streak. Kos are a dime a dozen when you have literally never faced harsh adversity and had to go the distance or comeback. Wilders 23rd fight was in some truck stop casino where he spent 5 minutes whispering and hugging Owen Beck in the corner after he quit on the stool.
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Originally Posted by Spicolihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdTNqw-g5A ;D I know, that was a slow pitch over the plate but I had toQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkJefferson was a nice guy and decent fighter. Don't remember him having power like Wilder though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I hope Wilder pans out. He's exciting n could revitalize the heavyweight division. He's still a long shot at this point but one Oquendo at a time he's getting closer.
Seriously though...Wilder hasn't done anything remotely in the same stratosphere as impressive as that against a "live" guy on a serious hot streak. Kos are a dime a dozen when you have literally never faced harsh adversity and had to go the distance or comeback. Wilders 23rd fight was in some truck stop casino where he spent 5 minutes whispering and hugging Owen Beck in the corner after he quit on the stool.
Damn that was a good KO by Jefferson.
Owen Beck is a former world title challenger! Least, I think he was against Valuev lol