Is it still Martinez or has Golovkin stepped up to number 1?
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Is it still Martinez or has Golovkin stepped up to number 1?
I think Golovkin would win today so voted him, Martinez is still the man who beat the man and better opponents in general of course though. If he looks like good and fresh beating Cotto, it would still be an awesome fight between the two.
Until GGG beats Martinez, or Martinez refuses to fight him, Martinez is number one. However, it's hard to say Martinez would win the fight, considering how Martinez looked last time out and how GGG has looked recently. Then again, GGG hasn't fought anyone remotely like Martinez yet. While Cotto isn't GGG, if Martinez beats Cotto in style, I might revisit my call.
GGG is clearly #1 in my book.. BUT there should be a Martinez / Golovkin fight. I think GGG can make the division the attraction it once was. I hope he doesn't go the weight tourism route & follows Marvin's example of defending his title against all-comers. It's a great natural weight division, like welterweight, and needs to be respected.
Also, the notion of the linear champ needs to be re-visited for christ's sake.. all this fucking around with ABC titles..!!
The fight needs to happen.. I think Martin Murray should have got a unanimous decision against Martinez anyhow .. GGG should go to Argentina and get the job done ... with all due respect to a great champ in Martinez..
Martinez clearly.. this one isnt debatable..
What the hell has ggg done to deserve this mention? Lol wake me up he fights someone with a pulse cuz potential and accomplishments are two different things..
GGG is the most active and dangerous middleweight around band is the best but to claim the title he does have to beat Sergio.
Look what happened when both fought Macklin. Martinez should have lost his last fight and has had trouble in his last 3. Golovkin has been destroying everyone in his path . Stevens, Macklin and Rosado are no push-overs
Martinez is #1 until he gets dethroned IMO.
That being said, I think GGG would dethrone him
What @Beanflicker said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
i concurQuote:
GGG is doing very well, but his best win is Macklin or there abouts? so you couldnt put him above martinez yet
still i think he would win that fight
None. It's Peter Quillin.
Martinez is no.1 without doubt. He's one of the few legit champs out there. However, I also think GGG would beat him
i guess the question is, at what point does a fighter lose his #1 spot for inactivity? i think that martinez has been out long enough to call ggg #1.
Martinez choosing to fight Cotto does not make the situation any clearer. GGG is certainly the busiest and Quillin is certainly the most over hyped. Golovkin is the man but until Sergio flat out ducks him, he has to be given the title of number 1. Sturm should fight Golovkin but he won't. Quillin should just fight already.
No one wants to fight Quillin. Like a few others, people just don't want to fight. I'm sure you can get Quillin in the ring with GGG for a fair sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
To clarify too, I believe 2009-2010 Martinez beats current GGG. I just think Martinez has lost more than one step over those past 4 years with the knee injuries and I don't see him keeping GGG off of him consistently.
That's a bit harsh. He's been inactive through injury. And has a fight lined upQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I think Golovkin is the real deal, but you can't call someone the #1 in the division based off potential. The fact remains that he hasn't beaten anyone you would consider to be one of the best in the division, but Martinez has. Right now, until Martinez moves weight division, retires or is beaten by GGG, he is still the #1 in the division. Golovkin didn't even beat the Champion to become a Champion so I really don't see what he has done to warrant being called #1. He's a great fighter, but it must be proved. Luckily Martinez has said he wants Golovkin after Cotto so we may get our wish.
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
That's just not true. Quillin hasn't looked unbeatable in his two steps up in competition against Rosado and N'Jikam. Rosado and N'Jikam are good, but Quillin looked flummoxed at times in both fights. He didn't have a long amateur career so I bet he just needs to develop a bit more before he gets put in with the top dogs at middleweight, which is absolutely fine. A great fight for Quillin would be against a Sturm. Quillin doesn't have a big following anyway and a fight so there shouldn't be a problem with fighting in Germany and it's a unification fight. A fight with Sturm would go a long way to telling us where Quillin's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo one wants to fight Quillin. Like a few others, people just don't want to fight. I'm sure you can get Quillin in the ring with GGG for a fair sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
In my opinion, currently at 160, there is Martinez and GGG, and then the next group of Geale, Macklin, Sturm, Murray and Quillin.
Sturm is a pure pussy he avoided GGG when he was number 1 contender and I hate the cunt with a passion living off the Oscar robbery. Look for him to make meaningless defences for another 100 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat's just not true. Quillin hasn't looked unbeatable in his two steps up in competition against Rosado and N'Jikam. Rosado and N'Jikam are good, but Quillin looked flummoxed at times in both fights. He didn't have a long amateur career so I bet he just needs to develop a bit more before he gets put in with the top dogs at middleweight, which is absolutely fine. A great fight for Quillin would be against a Sturm. Quillin doesn't have a big following anyway and a fight so there shouldn't be a problem with fighting in Germany and it's a unification fight. A fight with Sturm would go a long way to telling us where Quillin's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo one wants to fight Quillin. Like a few others, people just don't want to fight. I'm sure you can get Quillin in the ring with GGG for a fair sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
In my opinion, currently at 160, there is Martinez and GGG, and then the next group of Geale, Macklin, Sturm, Murray and Quillin.
Quillin knocks out everyone in that second tier... Danny Geale?? Macklin?!?! WTF?!?! Are you effing serious!?!? Did you even read what you typed??!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat's just not true. Quillin hasn't looked unbeatable in his two steps up in competition against Rosado and N'Jikam. Rosado and N'Jikam are good, but Quillin looked flummoxed at times in both fights. He didn't have a long amateur career so I bet he just needs to develop a bit more before he gets put in with the top dogs at middleweight, which is absolutely fine. A great fight for Quillin would be against a Sturm. Quillin doesn't have a big following anyway and a fight so there shouldn't be a problem with fighting in Germany and it's a unification fight. A fight with Sturm would go a long way to telling us where Quillin's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo one wants to fight Quillin. Like a few others, people just don't want to fight. I'm sure you can get Quillin in the ring with GGG for a fair sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
In my opinion, currently at 160, there is Martinez and GGG, and then the next group of Geale, Macklin, Sturm, Murray and Quillin.
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Sergio is the champ :cool: Triple G maybe the best fighter in the division but he ain't the champ until he beats Martinez ;)
He's not gonna get the chance... Martinez is gonna retire first.Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
He's another Barker waiting to happen.
Martinez is the man.
Martinez may retire but outside of Floyd, Triple G is the biggest money fight for him after Cotto :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHe's not gonna get the chance... Martinez is gonna retire first.Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
He's another Barker waiting to happen.
its not harsh, its just the reality. for example, what if he was injured for 2 years? or 3 years? at what point does he lose his status as #1? thats the question. i think that ggg has taken over. if sergio beats cotto then i have no problem with putting him back at #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a bit harsh. He's been inactive through injury. And has a fight lined upQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Martinez fought last in April, he hasn't been inactive for over a year yet and the Cotto fight is all but scheduled :-\ there was a year of inactivity between Floyds fights with Cotto and Guerrero :pQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherits not harsh, its just the reality. for example, what if he was injured for 2 years? or 3 years? at what point does he lose his status as #1? thats the question. i think that ggg has taken over. if sergio beats cotto then i have no problem with putting him back at #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a bit harsh. He's been inactive through injury. And has a fight lined upQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Neither guy, Martin Murray is No.1 as far as im concerned. He beat Martinez and would have got the decision anywhere outside of Argentina imo.
Geale and Macklin are tougher then the other fighters Quillin has fought. I dont know why Quillin is rated and thats been my opinion for a long time. He seems so crude and I question his power given his performance v Rosado. Regarding his potential he is old enough as it is and cant see him making big improvements at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaQuillin knocks out everyone in that second tier... Danny Geale?? Macklin?!?! WTF?!?! Are you effing serious!?!? Did you even read what you typed??!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat's just not true. Quillin hasn't looked unbeatable in his two steps up in competition against Rosado and N'Jikam. Rosado and N'Jikam are good, but Quillin looked flummoxed at times in both fights. He didn't have a long amateur career so I bet he just needs to develop a bit more before he gets put in with the top dogs at middleweight, which is absolutely fine. A great fight for Quillin would be against a Sturm. Quillin doesn't have a big following anyway and a fight so there shouldn't be a problem with fighting in Germany and it's a unification fight. A fight with Sturm would go a long way to telling us where Quillin's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo one wants to fight Quillin. Like a few others, people just don't want to fight. I'm sure you can get Quillin in the ring with GGG for a fair sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
In my opinion, currently at 160, there is Martinez and GGG, and then the next group of Geale, Macklin, Sturm, Murray and Quillin.
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I think Billy Joe Saunders would beat him easily. If they fought now.