David Haye: I am with the board's consensus!

The consensus that he has ducked Tyson Fury and that he truly is afraid of losing to Tyson Fury.

Haye has been in the game too long to have just under 30 fights even. He has been a pro since 2002 and has 28 fights. Fury and Chisora have been in the game since at least 2008 and they have over 22 wins, Chisora with 24 and Fury with 22.

I think Haye fought Chisora because Chisora's style was tailor made for Haye. Short, little punching power and a little bit of a brawler. Fury would have presented more of a challenge with the height and a bit more power on top of a little bit of hand speed.

Haye doesn't want to fight anyone of any consequence. He "says" he wants another title shot, but has never responded to the call to fight Vitali and he doesn't seem to be making a lot of noise to fight Wlad again. So, what is it?

Haye is out of the game, effectively. It's pretty much a wrap and we won't see him in any "meaningful" fight against any top European or American prospect ever again.

It's effectively over. Besides, he said he wanted out by the time he was 30. So, let him go...

Thankyou so much we are indeed in your debt.

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Where WOULD you be without a Damaja assessment and stamp of approval?
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Exactly. Why would David Haye, who went to fight Valuev & Wlad as the away fighter and went to fight the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is his back yard be scared to fight a guy who has been decked on numerous occasions by non-punchers with Haye's best punch?

Haye is a businessman first. It sucks. As boxing fans we all hate that. But it would make no sense as a businessman to go into a big money fight with an injury as a loss would pretty much end it for him.

Have some common sense.

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Exactly. Why would David Haye, who went to fight Valuev & Wlad as the away fighter and went to fight the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is his back yard be scared to fight a guy who has been decked on numerous occasions by non-punchers with Haye's best punch?

Haye is a businessman first. It sucks. As boxing fans we all hate that. But it would make no sense as a businessman to go into a big money fight with an injury as a loss would pretty much end it for him.

Have some common sense.

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Yeah!

You tell him!

Haye would never ever fight with an injury.....

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Exactly. Why would David Haye, who went to fight Valuev & Wlad as the away fighter and went to fight the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is his back yard be scared to fight a guy who has been decked on numerous occasions by non-punchers with Haye's best punch?

Haye is a businessman first. It sucks. As boxing fans we all hate that. But it would make no sense as a businessman to go into a big money fight with an injury as a loss would pretty much end it for him.

Have some common sense.

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Yeah!

You tell him!

Haye would never ever fight with an injury.....

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He fought Wlad with an injury and lost , why would he fight again with an injury ? and as been pointed out with the cut he had the BBBC would not have let him box fury.

whats your definition of the boards consensus?

Haye would SLAUGHTER Fury. I don't like Haye, but at least he has talent fury is just big.....that's all I've seen of him. Big, awkward, not very powerful, wide loopy punches, easy to hit.....he's a Pikey Mariusz Wach....probably minus the roids and the Mac Tonite chin, but that's his level.

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Exactly. Why would David Haye, who went to fight Valuev & Wlad as the away fighter and went to fight the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is his back yard be scared to fight a guy who has been decked on numerous occasions by non-punchers with Haye's best punch?

Haye is a businessman first. It sucks. As boxing fans we all hate that. But it would make no sense as a businessman to go into a big money fight with an injury as a loss would pretty much end it for him.

Have some common sense.

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Yeah!

You tell him!

Haye would never ever fight with an injury.....

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Losing to Wlad with an injury was only embarrassing because of all the shit he talked beforehand... Losing to Fury is downright humiliating...

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Exactly. Why would David Haye, who went to fight Valuev & Wlad as the away fighter and went to fight the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is his back yard be scared to fight a guy who has been decked on numerous occasions by non-punchers with Haye's best punch?

Haye is a businessman first. It sucks. As boxing fans we all hate that. But it would make no sense as a businessman to go into a big money fight with an injury as a loss would pretty much end it for him.

Have some common sense.

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You tell him!

Haye would never ever fight with an injury.....

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Losing to Wlad with an injury was only embarrassing because of all the shit he talked beforehand... Losing to Fury is downright humiliating...

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Yeah, nothing to do with dropping to all fours so many times the ref takes a point away and running away the entire fight. Nothing to do with that;)

Furys new team mate gave Wlad a hell of a better fight than that! Even threw the big gimp on the floor;D

.....teammate?


Yeah Fury is going to need one when/if he fights Wlad

Watch Hayes shoulder make a remarkable recovery as soon as Fury v Chisora is about to happen.

He's not gonna sit back and let these two fight out a potential title eliminator without making a load of noise and stirring things up.

He'd be screwing if Chisora did beat Fury and got a fight with Wlad especially as he's already spanked Chisora.

Fuck it he'd be screwing whoever wins if they do get a crack at Wlad.

Haye would normally be extremely vocal about now and especially seeing as they've both fought over the weekend.

Maybe his injury really is a bad one like he says after all and thats why?

If he's in anyway close to fighting fit around May time then expect him to start piping up and sticking his beak into the equation big time ;)


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Haye will return, he said if his shoulder is even 85% as good he will fight again. I could see him fight Fury should he win.

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Watch Hayes shoulder make a remarkable recovery as soon as Fury v Chisora is about to happen.

He's not gonna sit back and let these two fight out a potential title eliminator without making a load of noise and stirring things up.

He'd be screwing if Chisora did beat Fury and got a fight with Wlad especially as he's already spanked Chisora.

Fuck it he'd be screwing whoever wins if they do get a crack at Wlad.

Haye would normally be extremely vocal about now and especially seeing as they've both fought over the weekend.

Maybe his injury really is a bad one like he says after all and thats why?

If he's in anyway close to fighting fit around May time then expect him to start piping up and sticking his beak into the equation big time ;)


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Exactly. Why would David Haye, who went to fight Valuev & Wlad as the away fighter and went to fight the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is his back yard be scared to fight a guy who has been decked on numerous occasions by non-punchers with Haye's best punch?

Haye is a businessman first. It sucks. As boxing fans we all hate that. But it would make no sense as a businessman to go into a big money fight with an injury as a loss would pretty much end it for him.

Have some common sense.

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You tell him!

Haye would never ever fight with an injury.....

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Losing to Wlad with an injury was only embarrassing because of all the shit he talked beforehand... Losing to Fury is downright humiliating...

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Yeah, nothing to do with dropping to all fours so many times the ref takes a point away and running away the entire fight. Nothing to do with that;)

Furys new team mate gave Wlad a hell of a better fight than that! Even threw the big gimp on the floor;D

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Ross missing the point yet again, I never said he lost because of the toe... I said 'with' not 'due to'.
Haye was undersized and still went the distance, something nobody had done with Wlad for years.

Yes he bit of more than he could chew and had to use cheap tactics at times to survive. But it was only REALLY embarrassing because of the shit talking (fury take note).

He was willing to fight the division's elite with a minor injury because they are worth something... Fury isn't

Even if Haye were to come back, who would negotiate with him knowing his record of pulling out of fights?

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The key is to always have a Plan B if the fight doesn't go through....difficult for most fighters to do, but given Haye's history it is a must. Set a firm time limit and have a fallback plan, that's the only way to make it happen.

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Even if Haye were to come back, who would negotiate with him knowing his record of pulling out of fights?

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The key is to always have a Plan B if the fight doesn't go through....difficult for most fighters to do, but given Haye's history it is a must. Set a firm time limit and have a fallback plan, that's the only way to make it happen.

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Impossible!

Most people buy tickets based on the certain fighters that are facing each other.

If Fury had managed to pull in Wilder as the replacement last year when Haye pulled out the first time. It would have been a good match against an unbeaten american but its the banter between the two fighters building up to the event that has sold the tickets. Most of the ticket buyers would have never heard of Wilder and would be pissed off and ask for their money back and how many would buy tickets if the small print said that they retain the right to change the opponent a week before the event?

Even Eubank v Benn. If either had pulled out a week before the rematch and they organised Nunn as the replacement, as good a fighter as Nunn was, people would still ne fucked off and want their cash back! It was being sold based on the clash of styles and personalities.

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The key is to always have a Plan B if the fight doesn't go through....difficult for most fighters to do, but given Haye's history it is a must. Set a firm time limit and have a fallback plan, that's the only way to make it happen.

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Impossible!

Most people buy tickets based on the certain fighters that are facing each other.

If Fury had managed to pull in Wilder as the replacement last year when Haye pulled out the first time. It would have been a good match against an unbeaten american but its the banter between the two fighters building up to the event that has sold the tickets. Most of the ticket buyers would have never heard of Wilder and would be pissed off and ask for their money back and how many would buy tickets if the small print said that they retain the right to change the opponent a week before the event?

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Which would support my theory that a lot of British boxing fans are idiots...but anyway you were saying that Fury vs Abell was a better match than Fury vs Wilder

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Impossible!

Most people buy tickets based on the certain fighters that are facing each other.

If Fury had managed to pull in Wilder as the replacement last year when Haye pulled out the first time. It would have been a good match against an unbeaten american but its the banter between the two fighters building up to the event that has sold the tickets. Most of the ticket buyers would have never heard of Wilder and would be pissed off and ask for their money back and how many would buy tickets if the small print said that they retain the right to change the opponent a week before the event?

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Which would support my theory that a lot of British boxing fans are idiots...but anyway you were saying that Fury vs Abell was a better match than Fury vs Wilder

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Did I?

At least Abell has proved he can get in to the 5th round with a world class fighter;)

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At least Abell has proved he can get in to the 5th round with a world class fighter;)

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Yeah that's pretty much what you posted.


Wilder hasn't had an opponent last that long...maybe Tyson Fury is a bit scared of that

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At least Abell has proved he can get in to the 5th round with a world class fighter;)

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Yeah that's pretty much what you posted.


Wilder hasn't had an opponent last that long...maybe Tyson Fury is a bit scared of that

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He might do if he tried fighting someone higher than Fury was fighting as a novice;)

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He might do if he tried fighting someone higher than Fury was fighting as a novice;)

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....like Joey Abell?

Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

Fury is just a well protected monster of a man. He clubs fighters down, but is wild and clumsy, when he meets someone who can punch harder than he can, he will be in trouble and will get sparked out.

If he's lucky, that fighter will be Wlad.

I don't think Haye pulled out because of fear, I think it was an injury, genuinely.

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Impossible!

Most people buy tickets based on the certain fighters that are facing each other.

If Fury had managed to pull in Wilder as the replacement last year when Haye pulled out the first time. It would have been a good match against an unbeaten american but its the banter between the two fighters building up to the event that has sold the tickets. Most of the ticket buyers would have never heard of Wilder and would be pissed off and ask for their money back and how many would buy tickets if the small print said that they retain the right to change the opponent a week before the event?

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Which would support my theory that a lot of British boxing fans are idiots...but anyway you were saying that Fury vs Abell was a better match than Fury vs Wilder

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I wouldnt put ross under the banner of most british boxing fans

in fact you and ross have a lot in common, if we could put a blanket over certain types of boxing fans you and ross would be snuggled up close

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Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

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Hes not just a lummox though is he? He doesnt hug, lean and hold and use his size as much as Wlad does. He actually beats people by throwing punches. Its shots to the jaw that stopped his last two opponents, not pushing them to the floor;)

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Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

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Hes not just a lummox though is he? He doesnt hug, lean and hold and use his size as much as Wlad does. He actually beats people by throwing punches. Its shots to the jaw that stopped his last two opponents, not pushing them to the floor;)

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this is absolutely true, you have never spoken a truer word

wlad is the extreme, the likes of that has never before and will never be seen in a boxing ring (unless someone finds some other multimillion pound cash cow who has to hold to win)

but fury does rely heavily on his size when comparing him to your normal situation :)

Haye doesn't want to fight!!! End of story!

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this is absolutely true, you have never spoken a truer word

wlad is the extreme, the likes of that has never before and will never be seen in a boxing ring (unless someone finds some other multimillion pound cash cow who has to hold to win)

but fury does rely heavily on his size when comparing him to your normal situation :)

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Yeah it's not like Fury purposely hit Abell low or anything, I mean THAT certainly isn't against the rules is it?

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Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

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Hes not just a lummox though is he? He doesnt hug, lean and hold and use his size as much as Wlad does. He actually beats people by throwing punches. Its shots to the jaw that stopped his last two opponents, not pushing them to the floor;)

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I thought Haye threw himself on the floor? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:
I seem to recall that after getting decked by an old Cruiser (best fighter he's faced to date), Fury's answer was to maul him for a few rounds and then shamefully pull his guard down and blindside him.

He likes to face guys who either have to punch up, reach in with shots, or usually both - because it's easy to keep out of harms way without having to employ any actual boxing skill. End of story.

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Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

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Hes not just a lummox though is he? He doesnt hug, lean and hold and use his size as much as Wlad does. He actually beats people by throwing punches. Its shots to the jaw that stopped his last two opponents, not pushing them to the floor;)

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I thought Haye threw himself on the floor? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:
I seem to recall that after getting decked by an old Cruiser (best fighter he's faced to date), Fury's answer was to maul him for a few rounds and then shamefully pull his guard down and blindside him.

He likes to face guys who either have to punch up, reach in with shots, or usually both - because it's easy to keep out of harms way without having to employ any actual boxing skill. End of story.

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Hs not going to come across many world class fighters that arent going to have to punch up or reach in, given his height and the fact he has the longest reach in history! :vd:

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this is absolutely true, you have never spoken a truer word

wlad is the extreme, the likes of that has never before and will never be seen in a boxing ring (unless someone finds some other multimillion pound cash cow who has to hold to win)

but fury does rely heavily on his size when comparing him to your normal situation :)

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Yeah it's not like Fury purposely hit Abell low or anything, I mean THAT certainly isn't against the rules is it?

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Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

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Hes not just a lummox though is he? He doesnt hug, lean and hold and use his size as much as Wlad does. He actually beats people by throwing punches. Its shots to the jaw that stopped his last two opponents, not pushing them to the floor;)

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I thought Haye threw himself on the floor? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:
I seem to recall that after getting decked by an old Cruiser (best fighter he's faced to date), Fury's answer was to maul him for a few rounds and then shamefully pull his guard down and blindside him.

He likes to face guys who either have to punch up, reach in with shots, or usually both - because it's easy to keep out of harms way without having to employ any actual boxing skill. End of story.

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Hs not going to come across many world class fighters that arent going to have to punch up or reach in, given his height and the fact he has the longest reach in history! :vd:

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Obviously... :rolleyes: but why is he fighting people with reaches closer to the average middle weight?

Missing the point (as usual and again)... He doesn't need somebody identical... Just a lot closer than his team keep protecingt him with.

Why isn't his team chasing the likes of Wach and Wilder to show us what he can do against a genuine big man?
You're too easily pleased, keep making excuses.

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Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder because he wouldn't be able to just rely on being a lummox.

Like I said: he's yet to fight a live body that wasn't a cruiser or in possession of T-Rex arms... :rolleyes:

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Hes not just a lummox though is he? He doesnt hug, lean and hold and use his size as much as Wlad does. He actually beats people by throwing punches. Its shots to the jaw that stopped his last two opponents, not pushing them to the floor;)

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I thought Haye threw himself on the floor? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:
I seem to recall that after getting decked by an old Cruiser (best fighter he's faced to date), Fury's answer was to maul him for a few rounds and then shamefully pull his guard down and blindside him.

He likes to face guys who either have to punch up, reach in with shots, or usually both - because it's easy to keep out of harms way without having to employ any actual boxing skill. End of story.

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Hs not going to come across many world class fighters that arent going to have to punch up or reach in, given his height and the fact he has the longest reach in history! :vd:

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Obviously... :rolleyes: but why is he fighting people with reaches closer to the average middle weight?

Missing the point (as usual and again)... He doesn't need somebody identical... Just a lot closer than his team keep protecingt him with.

Why isn't his team chasing the likes of Wach and Wilder to show us what he can do against a genuine big man?
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Making excuses? ;D

How is pointing out Fury is huge compared to anyone making excuses? Excuses for what?

If Fury fought Wach, after, he won, it would be because Wach isnt a puncher and thats he only reason he chose him. There will always be an "excuse" as to why Fury keeps winning coming from the cry babies who seem to take Furys career as personal insult. Those same people are happy to praise someone like Haye who has ripped thousands of people off.

Wilder, they actually offered Wilder as an opponent to sky but sky refused. They arent going to fight each other for free.

Why do you have to excuse him for being tall? ??? Who said you did? ???

Making excuses for him being out of shape and only fighting smaller or lacklustre fighters...

It's funny, sky refuse Wilder as a PPV replacement... Shame the best he came up with after that was a T-Rex armed, underexposed, multiple knockout victim...

I'm sure that's just to tide us over until he finishes off whatever Haye and Vitali left over for him after battering Chisora.

Damaged goods in a rematch no one wants... Talk about stepping it up.

Fury does not want to fight Chisora, as he has beaten him already but Warren is putting the money up and Fury is taking it. If there was a better offer some where else I am sure he would take it.

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He has aligned himself with the biggest cheapskate promoter in the friggin world. He is never going to get a fight for big monry while this happens. If he dumped Hennessy and signed for Hearn his big mouth would be on PPV, but that'd be taking a chance, and he'd rather not do that.