When will Hughie be ready for Price, or is he already?
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When will Hughie be ready for Price, or is he already?
:D Even if Price has his limits and doesn't improve, I'd still give him a great chance to spark Tyson Fury this year. Quite possible Hughie could be the better boxer in a few years, but he's still a kid.
Huey did the full six rounds with the fat lummox that Joshua recently sparked quite impressively, might put his record into context.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
All the talk of Fury being the youngest HW champion since Mike Tyson is laughable , Joshua would KO him in a round , he has a padded record , he is a light puncher , and will not reach the top in my opinion , Price would do him in a round also.
Jury is out on Hughie but right now Joshua is improving at a rapid rate and looks like a more powerful puncher. Hughie isn't ready for the step up in class but it really can't be long before they let him off the leash. Price didn't show me anything last fight. He's a rabbit in the headlights right now and a young fighter looking to prove himself might rush him and I'm not sure Price would know how to handle that. I wouldn't put Price in with a live body this year. I'd keep him busy against stiffs to get his confidence back and learn new things because they almost ruined him.
I think Hughie would take price now but you dont risk throwing a 19 year old in with someone as experience as Price, so soon.
Joshua is 5 years older than Hughie. If he had Hughies schedule, he too would have started looking jaded.
Hughie is slowly coming away from the amateur style and looked good man handling Matt Grear. Come the end of this year, he will be a fearsome prospect as he maturs in to his frame.
On another note, Joshua is big strong and powerfull but I have a feeling there will be question marks as I had with Price when he gets upped in class. There were signs in the olympics that he will not be ale to deal with movement, like his first fight which he shouldnt have won, against Erislandy Savon.
Ask Dillion Whyte about Joshua. In Whytes first amateur fight he dropped Joshua a few times and beat him easily.
All good points really. Right now, Joshua looks more impressive having less fights. However, David Price looked impressive until somebody was hitting him back so judgement on how good any of these prospects are is reserved until they step it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
As for what you said about Joshua having Hughie's schedule, we should discover this year if you're right, as Hearn is looking to have Joshua very busy this year. Not that I believe it'll be this many, but they've said they hope to have him out 10 times in 2014. That'll never happen, but he should be busy.
I thought he looked good the weekend. He looked fitter/sharper than he normally does. His lack of power is a bit obvious though, he best hope he develops some or he wont be going anywhere.
At this stage David Price would be 50/50 with Tyson Fury let alone Hughie.
Seeing Joshua easily KO guys that Fury can't put a dent in is a good measuring guide at the moment.
Price would spank him :p
I cant believe people are still backing Price!
He is not a fighter. He's a very good puncher but he's certainly not a fighter. Put anyone in with him who is going to stand and punch him back and he will give up again.
Joshua looking great knocking over some journeymen that managed to last a bit longer with an 18 year old proves nothing. He is learning nothing. Im not going to criticise him for his level of opposition as he's only just turned pro and wont be stepping much up within the next few bouts but when he does, you will see how ponderous he is.
Hughie will get stronger and that power will come. Hes only just turned 19 for fuck sakes:rolleyes: im sure you will all admit that you wee stronger at 24 than you were at 18/19;)
Hughie may have a hood chin, he's never been dropped and fought world class amateurs where he won gold at the world juniors. The one thing id add to Hughie, is Tysons spite. Tyson wants to hurt people. I liked watching him trying to get the extra punches in against Abell. ;D
He's only lost to Tony Thompson twice who is a very good very underrated boxer. Tony Thompson called out YOUR BOY Tyson Fury and Tyson didn't want anything to do with him and rightfully so!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Oh and let me go ahead and post your immediate reaction
"But Pulev beat Thompson and Abell knockeddown Pulev and Fury stopped Abell"
and I'll respond with the simple fact that Tyson Fury fought Joey Abell instead of someone good, it's not like the big oaf didn't have options, but whatever we all know he's really hiding from Wlad. Tyson Fury is hiding from Wlad because he's scared and that's why he's talking so much.
Whether or not Hughie becomes a bigger puncher is yet to be seen. It's possible, of course, considering his age but it's not a given. Time will tell.
If Joshua is destroying the same men inside 6 minutes that Fury can't hurt in 6 rounds it would suggest that Joshua is a MUCH bigger puncher than Fury. That's a fact. It may also suggest that Joshua is much more talented and superior to Fury. That is not a fact yet. Time will tell.
Price might not be able to take it but he sure as fuck can give it. He didn't become a non-dangerous walkover job for any prospect just because he failed against Thompson. He has the power to chin out any heavyweight in the world (apart from Oliver McCall).
Why can't he learn from experience? Did Fury not learn from his loss to Fat John McDermott? He came back a better fighter and righted it. Price could be back among the top guys within a year.
When Fury got the decision against McDermott he didnt fall apart. He fought the english title holder only 8 months after turning pro (it took Price 3 years to get to that level!;D). Then Fury knocked him out in the rematch. What did Price do better against Thompson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Price is now irrelevant. He's been shown up as someone who hasn't got the stomach for pro boxing. Bit like Tony Bellew. Must be Liverpool. Any sportsman from there seems to get filled full of bull and then is full of themselves.
As for punch power, im sure Frank Bruno had more power than Larry Holmes.....
No, he fought Abell because Wlads most dangerous opponent pulled out twice and fucked him around.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's only lost to Tony Thompson twice who is a very good very underrated boxer. Tony Thompson called out YOUR BOY Tyson Fury and Tyson didn't want anything to do with him and rightfully so!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Oh and let me go ahead and post your immediate reaction
"But Pulev beat Thompson and Abell knockeddown Pulev and Fury stopped Abell"
and I'll respond with the simple fact that Tyson Fury fought Joey Abell instead of someone good, it's not like the big oaf didn't have options, but whatever we all know he's really hiding from Wlad. Tyson Fury is hiding from Wlad because he's scared and that's why he's talking so much.
That argument does nothing but show you just how fucking dumb Tyson Fury is. Apparently he was not aware of David Haye's M.O.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Also it begs the question: "Fury was ready for Haye, but NOT ready for someone like Thompson? So he had to go with Abell?"
Don't hurt yourself attempting to explain that
Didn't Peter Fury tell us he would be a younger HW champ than Tyson ? who was 20 , Fury is 19 so he hasn't much time to do it has he ross ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
McDermott had been walloped half-a-dozen times before he beat Fury. The point is Fury cameback after learning from it. If you can gain experience from losing to a man that was never good enough to go beyond English level, you can comeback from losing to a world-rated fighter that only Wlad Klitschko had beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWhen Fury got the decision against McDermott he didnt fall apart. He fought the english title holder only 8 months after turning pro (it took Price 3 years to get to that level!;D). Then Fury knocked him out in the rematch. What did Price do better against Thompson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Price is now irrelevant. He's been shown up as someone who hasn't got the stomach for pro boxing. Bit like Tony Bellew. Must be Liverpool. Any sportsman from there seems to get filled full of bull and then is full of themselves.
As for punch power, im sure Frank Bruno had more power than Larry Holmes.....
Whether or not Price does successfully comeback is yet to be seen.
Remember you spent all last week predicting Johnson would not just beat Chisora but KO him. You get things completely wrong even with a mass of evidence in front of you let alone none at all.
Hughie is good but needs more fights, why rush him? Wilder has had loads of fights and still not stepped it up.
nobody is rushing him or even cares ,the fact is his idiotic trainer said he would be younger than mike Tyson as champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The question is does ross agree with it?
Hughie has only boxed 3 rounds less than Price in his pro career so far. At the moment Hughie is still a novice learning his craft , the difference between him and Joshua / Price is that still being only 19 he doesn't yet have the power that the other two have to knock the bums he's facing out in a few rounds. Instead he's having to work the body and learn the craft a bit more which I think will help him in the long run. At the moment its far too early for Hughie Fury to be in with Price but I predict that he'll be at that level sooner than people expect.
Would Prices manager put him in with Hughie? I doubt it. They need fighters they can beat;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24
chatting to a pikey about a pikey is evidently pointless.
It'll be a lot more pointless.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
I feel sorry for Price.. I think his confidence is in the toilet .. I think he's done the right thing going to Sauerland..
Absolutely agree, Saurland is my No. 1 promoter having visited Germany twice for his shows. I would rather pay the travel costs than have self inflicted torture at a UK Warren show. I hope Sauerland becomes a top European promoter and gets some UK venues, he certainly treats the customers better than Warren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan-B-Howell
if hughie ever beats price at any point in his career i will be absolutely amazed
id like to see hughie in with someone like sam sam sexton or john macdermot
Another retarded quote. Do you think Fury would take a fight with Price? Either Fury? Not a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWould Prices manager put him in with Hughie? I doubt it. They need fighters they can beat;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24
Hughie maybe as Price has a name value, if only a very vague one but not Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAnother retarded quote. Do you think Fury would take a fight with Price? Either Fury? Not a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWould Prices manager put him in with Hughie? I doubt it. They need fighters they can beat;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24
Who is Price to Tyson? What value does Price hold to anyone? Hes instantly become the new Audley. He is now having to face fighters ranked about 300 places below Hughie!;D
The guy he ran from to fight a 40 year old cab driver who'd been inactive for 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Maloney didnt want it. He bullshitted about being tied to sky sports when offered a fight.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnThe guy he ran from to fight a 40 year old cab driver who'd been inactive for 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
If that was even remotely true, why would Fury vacate to fight for the Irish title? I'm confused. Why not just let Price come out and say "I'm not ready" and keep his belts and fight Sam Sexton instead? Fury would have looked like a king shit that Price was afraid of, but we know that isn't what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMaloney didnt want it. He bullshitted about being tied to sky sports when offered a fight.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnThe guy he ran from to fight a 40 year old cab driver who'd been inactive for 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Check mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIf that was even remotely true, why would Fury vacate to fight for the Irish title? I'm confused. Why not just let Price come out and say "I'm not ready" and keep his belts and fight Sam Sexton instead? Fury would have looked like a king shit that Price was afraid of, but we know that isn't what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMaloney didnt want it. He bullshitted about being tied to sky sports when offered a fight.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnThe guy he ran from to fight a 40 year old cab driver who'd been inactive for 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
i dont understandQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzCheck mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIf that was even remotely true, why would Fury vacate to fight for the Irish title? I'm confused. Why not just let Price come out and say "I'm not ready" and keep his belts and fight Sam Sexton instead? Fury would have looked like a king shit that Price was afraid of, but we know that isn't what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMaloney didnt want it. He bullshitted about being tied to sky sports when offered a fight.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnThe guy he ran from to fight a 40 year old cab driver who'd been inactive for 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Fury dumped the belts just before purse bids had to be submitted. Either they were scared of Price or scared of losing the promotion.
Yes @erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
"Joshua gave me a beating for three rounds." Tyson Fury thinks Joshua is the absolute business after getting duffed up in sparring.
Watch from 4.00 minute mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByBF0NbAgaU
right, i didnt realiseQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYes @erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
what a shit bag Price is ;D
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the lineQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYes @erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the lineQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYes @erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
That's a good point, let's try to remember that Peter owns the big mouth not Hughie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlDidn't Peter Fury tell us he would be a younger HW champ than Tyson ? who was 20 , Fury is 19 so he hasn't much time to do it has he ross ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Every time I've read Hughie's comments, they've seemed respectful and realistic.