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Who wins. This could be a proper step for both men. A step up for Jennings and one fight away, if not directly, in line for a title shot against Wlad or the winner of the WBC title fight.
Could be a step back in for Haye... proves he ain't washed up and done for his career.
What say you?
if haye has anything left he would knock him outQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Would be a great examination of where both men are.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if haye has anything left he would knock him outQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Both guys just need to stay active. This is a very intriguing matchup though. I would be very interested to see how Bryant Jennings responded to fighting a guy like Haye who is more than likely faster but also has more power. Jennings has recently shown more power, but he's not a power puncher like Haye.
Jennings is average.. david haye would knock him the fuck out.
... it would be a great test and set up for at least an eliminator.
.... not happening Haye is not sure of his shoulder and if he is he will fight someone with a title only because he thinks that is what he deserves in his own deluded mind.
If Haye ever indicates he wants to fight again I bet it'll only be against Wlad. He's got enough money to not need to fight a challenger and I'm sure he's got other career options as a Z list British celebrity since his apperance on that ITV show. I hope he takes a back seat and leave boxing to those who want to fight and challenge themselves.
Haye won't want to fight anyone else who has a pulse unless it is for a title shot... he is deluded. Even his WBA rankings are slipping- he isn't even ranked in the top 15 anymore, anywhere.
Haye is done. Because, he has to have, at least, TWO ranked opponents before anyone considers him for a title shot- a shot he may not get.
Bryant Jennings could use this fight and so too could Haye.
Haye's gruesome toe injury has cut his career short, I'm afraid. He just hasn't been the same fighter since.
Haye doesn't need Jennings. There's no real money to be made. Plus I think Haye because of his speed and power would kick Jennings ass like he owns him money. People underrate Haye. On this board some of you cats picked Harrison and Chisora to beat the Haymaker. He beat the shit out of both of them. He's going to be 34 and doesn't want to fight for long. He has lots of money. So what does he have to gain by fighting a nobody?
Haye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
Unless Jennings grows a few inches, turns white, learns Ukrainian and German.... as well as gets a HW crown handed to him.... Haye's not interested. So why bother speculating?
I think haye will be able to just walk back into big fights.. if wladimir cant make a deal to face the wbc champion before the end of the year i can see whoever wins it going to haye .. People will still buy hayes talk and he will bring bigger money than anyone bar wladimir and that is all that matter.. Haye v wladimir 2 for all 4 belts next year.. wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHaye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
Don't think the other top 5 guys are going to allow that... Haye is just as much a money maker as either of them barring Pulev...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI think haye will be able to just walk back into big fights.. if wladimir cant make a deal to face the wbc champion before the end of the year i can see whoever wins it going to haye .. People will still buy hayes talk and he will bring bigger money than anyone bar wladimir and that is all that matter.. Haye v wladimir 2 for all 4 belts next year.. wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHaye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
which other top 5 guys? stiverne and co already talked to haye about defending the wbc title v haye if stiverne was to win and haye recovers fast enough ... if haye gets back in the ring, which i am sure he will he will be right up there for a title shot. which is a bit of a shame as he doesnt really deserve it on his achievements but it is about money and haye is the biggest money man outside of wlad.. and klitshcko don't pay their opponents that much either :SQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaDon't think the other top 5 guys are going to allow that... Haye is just as much a money maker as either of them barring Pulev...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI think haye will be able to just walk back into big fights.. if wladimir cant make a deal to face the wbc champion before the end of the year i can see whoever wins it going to haye .. People will still buy hayes talk and he will bring bigger money than anyone bar wladimir and that is all that matter.. Haye v wladimir 2 for all 4 belts next year.. wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHaye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
Well that is a shame... the other contenders shouldn't allow it. The only claim Haye has is over the WBA belt. That's being held by Wlad. No other body should cater to him...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwhich other top 5 guys? stiverne and co already talked to haye about defending the wbc title v haye if stiverne was to win and haye recovers fast enough ... if haye gets back in the ring, which i am sure he will he will be right up there for a title shot. which is a bit of a shame as he doesnt really deserve it on his achievements but it is about money and haye is the biggest money man outside of wlad.. and klitshcko don't pay their opponents that much either :SQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaDon't think the other top 5 guys are going to allow that... Haye is just as much a money maker as either of them barring Pulev...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI think haye will be able to just walk back into big fights.. if wladimir cant make a deal to face the wbc champion before the end of the year i can see whoever wins it going to haye .. People will still buy hayes talk and he will bring bigger money than anyone bar wladimir and that is all that matter.. Haye v wladimir 2 for all 4 belts next year.. wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHaye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
Boxing has to cater to him. He's one of the few who can put people in the seats and good PPV numbers. Nobody in the division has the drawing power of a David Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWell that is a shame... the other contenders shouldn't allow it. The only claim Haye has is over the WBA belt. That's being held by Wlad. No other body should cater to him...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwhich other top 5 guys? stiverne and co already talked to haye about defending the wbc title v haye if stiverne was to win and haye recovers fast enough ... if haye gets back in the ring, which i am sure he will he will be right up there for a title shot. which is a bit of a shame as he doesnt really deserve it on his achievements but it is about money and haye is the biggest money man outside of wlad.. and klitshcko don't pay their opponents that much either :SQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaDon't think the other top 5 guys are going to allow that... Haye is just as much a money maker as either of them barring Pulev...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI think haye will be able to just walk back into big fights.. if wladimir cant make a deal to face the wbc champion before the end of the year i can see whoever wins it going to haye .. People will still buy hayes talk and he will bring bigger money than anyone bar wladimir and that is all that matter.. Haye v wladimir 2 for all 4 belts next year.. wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHaye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
Wonder how Haye enjoyed his toast while watching a day labor journeyman stagger hair plugged & hype man extraodinaire like Fury ??? I actually like Haye :-X in a twisted way...but he is a story of 1 step forward-2 steps back as a heavy. Until he shuts up and fights, and shuts up again...he hasn't done much as far as "now". I think the inactivity hurts him as well as a one bomb mindset vs Jennings. He sweeps before he delivers at times and closes range while open. Jennings is sharp and a combo hitter who knows the ropes, very hard to read and switches rolls on a dime. Say its next week-month...money on Jennings to spark him in all honesty. Its not a bad fight but cannot see it coming off at all.
He sure does put asses in seats. Moreso than the current champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1Boxing has to cater to him. He's one of the few who can put people in the seats and good PPV numbers. Nobody in the division has the drawing power of a David Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWell that is a shame... the other contenders shouldn't allow it. The only claim Haye has is over the WBA belt. That's being held by Wlad. No other body should cater to him...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwhich other top 5 guys? stiverne and co already talked to haye about defending the wbc title v haye if stiverne was to win and haye recovers fast enough ... if haye gets back in the ring, which i am sure he will he will be right up there for a title shot. which is a bit of a shame as he doesnt really deserve it on his achievements but it is about money and haye is the biggest money man outside of wlad.. and klitshcko don't pay their opponents that much either :SQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaDon't think the other top 5 guys are going to allow that... Haye is just as much a money maker as either of them barring Pulev...Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI think haye will be able to just walk back into big fights.. if wladimir cant make a deal to face the wbc champion before the end of the year i can see whoever wins it going to haye .. People will still buy hayes talk and he will bring bigger money than anyone bar wladimir and that is all that matter.. Haye v wladimir 2 for all 4 belts next year.. wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHaye needs someone like Jennings.... if you sincerely feel that Haye can waltz into a championship title fight off the top you have GOT to be JOKING!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Haye is almost at the bottom of the pile now. He had better fight a ranked opponent- and don't shave his opponents down. He needs a ranked guy. Two of them and then a title fight- Jennings would be an easier fight, considering the other heavy hitters out there in the HW division and those MUCH MORE skilled than Jennings.
Haye does NOT want to go in with a skilled Pulev or Adamek, or a hard hitting Arreola, Stiverne, Wilder or even a damn Andy Ruiz.
So, do you see Haye fighting for a title now and not fighting his way back into the top??
Do not make out that Haye is a star in the division. Yes he may command ppv but that is more because who he fights than him.