What exactly is going on?
What do you expect to happen?
What exactly do the UN do??!!
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What exactly is going on?
What do you expect to happen?
What exactly do the UN do??!!
Discuss...
I bet the Ukraine wished it hadnt signed a treaty with the States and given up its nukes now.
Poor bastards.
Un are weak as piss, fuck the Un, they count for nothing, like tits on a dehorned bull.
Whats the answer though andre?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Whats the worst that could happen.
Let them handle it. As long as the U.S. and others stay the fuck out.
Everyone is looking at this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
It concerns everyone..or it will do.
Dont even think it.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWhats the answer though andre?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Whats the worst that could happen.
We need to stay out of it.
We got to many enemies now and they'll all have a shot with the other if we take a few hits. Fuck em if they have one shot at us Nuke em first and laser shot into their own nukes as they lift off. (We can do that right ;D?)
Shit we got China moving on old territory and Russia moving on old territory .
You ever get the feeling its a secret tag team event :mad:
:-\(I dont know if they even talk with each other)
They sure are doing the same thing though, moving in, so if we save one do we save the other? Japan has been with us for a long time now.
Russia is the only country with the balls and unification to do anything about it. The EU probably has the resolve but not the solidarity that mother Russia has.
I think Russia will likely take back the Ukraine amongst huge protests simply because there is large support for it. Kind of likethe beginnings of a Novaya Russia or second Soviet Union lol
However there is a possibility that the Ukraine might be partitioned however I think such a division would not come bloodlessly.
Civil war is looking more certain either way now.
I would like Russia and Europe and Ukraine to be able to reach a peaceful and mutual resolution if possible.
UN is completely useless.
US should and likely will stay right out of it.
Basically the Americans decided to instigate a coup in a democratically elected country and Russia has stepped in to defend its ports and bases and considering Crimea is basically Russian, have decided to step into that area. Most of the troops were seemingly already in the region.
America is getting all huffy and puffy, is threatening sanctions, banning from G8 etc. Yet such hypocrisy! America drones around the world, invades countries way beyond it's own borders in areas nothing to do with it, provokes regime change at will and supports tyranny. Now where were their sanctions as Iraq was completely insane as compared with this where Putin makes sense.
Imagine Russia starting an anti US coup in Canada. Obama is off his head and being a bully.
It's raining today....and well I think there's no other rational explanation than to blame America.
miles, I would just like to remind you Communism/Socialism have massacred more people than America could ever even attempt to. Also they did it on purpose....so look in the mirror....and blame your self and those who think like you because YOU GUYS are the problem not us.
The Holodomor (or "Hunger-extermination") in Ukraine plotted by YOUR BOY Josef Stalin killed off an estimated 2.4-7.5 MILLION PEOPLE......that's people who think like YOU miles....people who think in the lefty, liberal, commie way like you thing STARVED PEOPLE TO DEATH.
But you were complaining you ignorant twat???
Stop trying to label me as a communist. I am not a communist, I am a political atheist with views that are on both sides of the fence according to MY OWN rationality. Sometimes left, sometimes a bit too similar to you.
How many dead as caused by yourselves or the Soviets is not the issue here. Ukraine today is the issue and America has provoked Russia and Russia is defending its interests. Wouldn't America do the same in an act of provocation?
You almost sound like you are supporting Obama here and you shouldn't be.
I'm sorry all I read was ......
"Don't label me, because I like to complain while not taking sides"
So you're not a commie you're a pussy
No, I have strong views, stronger than many and what that means is that some of them are on the left and some on the right. Heck take gun law, that is something I am now on your side over. I'm quite libertarian, but I do have my old fashioned thing for dedristributed taxes and education for all. An equal start for all and if you waste it, then tough cookies. Not being a pussy, just a man with character.
All that simple left and right divide stuff is so phony. One cannot only be that. A true thinker sees different ways to think about different things and some are left and some a right. I can always take sides. I am programmed that way.
#1 You are NOT a LibertarianQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
#2 Libertarians are not against education for all and equal starts for all...but you've worded your response in a manner that assumes they are therefore I won't even pretend to think you have grasped the core Libertarian principles.
#3 The left-right divide is not phony, it is quite real and if you're not on "The Right Side" you're on the wrong side, and my friend, YOU are on the wrong side.
Whether I am on your side is not the point, or any side for that matter. I am my own mix of what I think is appropriate.
1. Libertarian for me means the right to shoot a gun, to own my land and not be bothered by anyone, to have freedom meaning I do what I want as long as I hurt nobody else.
2. The left right divide is very phony. Most are in it together. Cronyists. I choose to take only what is good from what I hear and that alone. That is libertarian. It's typically the path to be opressed less.
3.An equal start for all should be under any system which wants the best to rise up from fair beginnings.
Ukraine probably splits up. Russia will grab the eastern part and the western part will have a pro-Euopean government. Expect to see staged demonstrations in eastern cities over the next few weeks. A bunch of people waving Russian flags in the main square and asking Putin to send troops to protect them from the western criminals.
Probably a bit of military fisticuffs between Russian and Ukrainian forces but it shouldn't escalate too much. The west definitely won't get involved militarily. Some fairly ineffective sanctions which will be quietly dropped in return for Russian support over other issues a few years down the line when everybodys' forgotten about the Ukraine.
I think the only way to settle this is for Vitali to fight Putin one on one, mano e mano. Vitali doesnt bring Wlad, and Putin doesnt bring any bears or shit. Winner takes all.
Thats good, its about as optimistic as possible there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
How can there be two sides when they're getting paid by the same people. Obama is Bush part 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 You are NOT a LibertarianQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
#2 Libertarians are not against education for all and equal starts for all...but you've worded your response in a manner that assumes they are therefore I won't even pretend to think you have grasped the core Libertarian principles.
#3 The left-right divide is not phony, it is quite real and if you're not on "The Right Side" you're on the wrong side, and my friend, YOU are on the wrong side.
Surreal. I just cant get over hosting the world in the ultimate display of unity as a species hosting the Olympics and then invading another country. Reminds me of someone else but I just cant put my finger on it. He's just done it sooner.
The West isn't going to do anything and Putin knows it. A month from now China will probably enter Taiwan or take that island dispute with Japan to a new level.
"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th-century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext" Kerry said.
John Kerry clearly has memory issues. What an idiot. He is clearly following the Obama school of politics. Lie and then lie some more.
Do these journalists never call them out on their hypocrisy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzoQBcVLOCk
Oh yes, that old Barack Obama is quite the leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do6qE6EyM3o
Smug liberals yukking it up about "silly old Mitt Romney" warning us about Russia in 2012.
And here we are
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
China is just buying Taiwan bit by bit anyway. There was one flight a week from Beijing to Taiwan a decade ago and now there are a couple of dozen a day full of businessmen basically integrating Taiwan to China. Plus 99% of Taiwanese are ethnically Han Chinese anyway. The Chinese will just wait until their economic power increases compared to the US that the US won't do anything.
They waited a hundred years for the Brits to hand them Hong Kong on a plate. They spent a thousand years building a Wall. Unlike the idiots in the west the Chinese are long term planners.
What Russia is doing now and what they did in South Ossetia in 2008 when Bush the Lesser was in power is no threat at all to the US which is why the US took no serious action. America's long term geopolitical threat is from Asia which is something they at least recognise even if they're not doing anything about it.
China Entering Demographic Danger Zone, BOJ Official Says - BloombergQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
....whatever you say "Mr. Bubble" :rolleyes:
The aging population problem, happens to us all.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongChina Entering Demographic Danger Zone, BOJ Official Says - BloombergQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
....whatever you say "Mr. Bubble" :rolleyes:
They sure are little fuckers breeders
'Ahh our ratest figures prove'.;D
I think Kirk means they wont waste effort on a reward they'll reap anyway.
I recon China (given the chance) will run the world clean out of some natural resources though they are near sighted in that.
They are consumers first and dont give a rats ass for sustainable natural environments.
Oh hang on, they don't waste anything though;they do utilize rats asses for something...what is it again :-\ Oh yeah :D I remember its, The wanton destruction of everything in the pursuit of more Yen power.
:cool: I knew there was something.
Putin knows he has the west by the short and curlies. I bet he's actually laughing out loud when he hears these foreign leaders call it an "act of aggression" or "willful occupation" and then he calls them all hypocrites.
When pressed the word isolation becomes the hardest punch they can throw. Nothing like isolation as a weapon for a Stalinist lol.
He has the pleasure of ruling over Russia while Obama (solely focused on internal issues because he's a total narcissistic jack off) runs America with John "Hey I was in Vietnam" Kerry as the WEAKEST Secretary of State in United States history as Putin's only threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Believe you me this will not always be the case as most people are sick to death of Obama and his bullshit policies and they never did like John Kerry who failed numerous times to become President.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T PROPERLY VET A CANDIDATE...but I guess it's "racist" to point that out :rolleyes:
In this case the leader is irrelevant. Hawk or Dove nobody is going to do dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe has the pleasure of ruling over Russia while Obama (solely focused on internal issues because he's a total narcissistic jack off) runs America with John "Hey I was in Vietnam" Kerry as the WEAKEST Secretary of State in United States history as Putin's only threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Believe you me this will not always be the case as most people are sick to death of Obama and his bullshit policies and they never did like John Kerry who failed numerous times to become President.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T PROPERLY VET A CANDIDATE...but I guess it's "racist" to point that out :rolleyes:
Basically Putin is like Salido and will continue to punch Ukraine in the balls while people who usually throw their hands up in Horror when they think other countries have done the same will turn away and give him a free pass because people don't like Eastern Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
The UN is even less effective than Laurence Cole.
Actually Putin is more like Bob Arum, only not quite as ruthless and cold.
Just one question. Why should I give a shit what happens in Russia? I'm having hard enough time feeding my family. They don't want to talk about that. It's look over here. Look what's happening in Russia while the people I work for pay no taxes and steal as much as they can.
China have massive economic and demographic problems, water problems, you name it but their economy will still blow past America's in a couple of decades. And then there's India and the SCO. Threats are all economic now, military threats to America don't exist and never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongChina Entering Demographic Danger Zone, BOJ Official Says - BloombergQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
....whatever you say "Mr. Bubble" :rolleyes:
What do you think Obama should do?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe has the pleasure of ruling over Russia while Obama (solely focused on internal issues because he's a total narcissistic jack off) runs America with John "Hey I was in Vietnam" Kerry as the WEAKEST Secretary of State in United States history as Putin's only threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Believe you me this will not always be the case as most people are sick to death of Obama and his bullshit policies and they never did like John Kerry who failed numerous times to become President.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T PROPERLY VET A CANDIDATE...but I guess it's "racist" to point that out :rolleyes:
It's amazing how a section of the US media can get such a significant chunk of the population to regularly wet the bed over nonexistent "threats" thousands of miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
So that bits much like Cortez when he reffed Russia verses England Kostya-Hatton ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBasically Putin is like Salido and will continue to punch Ukraine in the balls while people who usually throw their hands up in Horror when they think other countries have done the same will turn away and give him a free pass because people don't like Eastern Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
The UN is even less effective than Laurence Cole.
Actually Putin is more like Bob Arum, only not quite as ruthless and cold.
Get NATO involved because although the Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO proper they ARE a member of the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council which is tied to NATO. They don't need to shoot anyone or bomb anyone, just use their presence to halt Russia's movement and protect the citizens of Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And hey, here's an idea....don't fucking draw a line in the sand if you never intend to back your words up with action, that would be nice to see for fucking once.
duh because it affects oil/gas prices across europe which in turn has an affect on the US economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIt's amazing how a section of the US media can get such a significant chunk of the population to regularly wet the bed over nonexistent "threats" thousands of miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
no where is self sufficient.
Greenbeanz, I think it is a poor argument to bring up people 'disliking poor Eastern Europeans' as a pretext for justifying aggressive behaviour. Nobody thinks like that and it is typical liberal behaviour to constantly try to make something into a race issue. It isn't a race issue.
Most just see the complete hypocrisy of the West and in particular America. This was a coup backed by US finance and which has supported groups including neo Nazis. A recent report also suggests that these same Nazis shot protestors and instead it was being spun as though it was government forces. This has nothing to do with race, but the hypocrisy of the West. America has invaded a country illegally and Britain itself has controlled Northern Ireland by force over many decades.
These nations are hypocrites and when Clinton speaks of Nazi Germany comparisons, she seems to have a lack of awareness concerning her own country and her own involvement in Libya and attempted involvement in Syria and least of all her nations tacit support of telling lies to invade a country. At least Russia has a justification for defending its portion of a Russian area. The hyperbole is ridiculous.
The French,Dutch and Scottish all invaded Ireland long before the English who had already been Invaded by all of Europe at one point or another. Call yourself an Englishman ?. Shame on you for swallowing the BS spread about your own country and not even nowing the history of your own homeland.
Where did I say "poor" Eastern Europeans. Your own prejudice speaks volumes. The race issue is yours and Brockton's not mine, just like your problem with a competitive Job Market. A coup backed by US finance ? grow up man, how gullible and naive have you become? What is typical liberal behaviour ? Have you now become a right wing nut like Alex Jones ?
Know it is more like yourself mistakenly giving Kostya a free pass for being a plastic Aussie and choosing not to differentiate between three blatant punches on the bollocks and one in retaliation :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreSo that bits much like Cortez when he reffed Russia verses England Kostya-Hatton ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBasically Putin is like Salido and will continue to punch Ukraine in the balls while people who usually throw their hands up in Horror when they think other countries have done the same will turn away and give him a free pass because people don't like Eastern Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
The UN is even less effective than Laurence Cole.
Actually Putin is more like Bob Arum, only not quite as ruthless and cold.