So far he has looked very good with real KO power. The HW division is so weak. I think he can't miss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJ8uOyII58
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So far he has looked very good with real KO power. The HW division is so weak. I think he can't miss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJ8uOyII58
we will see after next fight. if he can KO the winner of arreola/stiverne then i will say that he should be next in line to fight wlad.
He needs experience to go with that power and the sooner the better. At this stage of the game he should be accumulating rounds of experience just in case he is overextended so he doesn't have to throw desperation punches to play catch up.
he needs to be dragged into the trenches , if he can come through a fight like that then maybe he is for real.
It's funny, if things keep going like this, we'll never know what he can do. He could become champion and retire and we could still be wondering how good he is.
Everyone is sure the next fight will be meaningful in one way or another but all we learn is what we already know, he hits like a mule kicks, now apparently with both hands.
LOL I'm starting to get pissed at him because he's too good which makes for boring fights.
Rigondeaux and Wilder they are so good it's boring. You know how the fight is going to unfold before it starts.
Now Arreola or Stiverne are supposed to be the big eye openers for us, what if he KOs the one of them.
Larry Merchant wanted to know, speaking about MMA fighters, how a fighter with a 6-2 record could be called a champion. Well, we might be wondering how a fighter with a 33-0 (33 KO) record can be called a champion when he has never taken a significant punch in the pros.
He's the greatest heavyweight of all time. What other HW can you think of that could knock a man out for the 10 count with a punch that didn't land?
5 1/2 yrs, 31 fights, basically a four round fighter and we're still asking the same question. I tend to believe no.
Yes there has to be a reason he still hasn't been in a real fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Can't argue, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's not Wilder's fault that nobody so far can last a few rounds with him. His opposition is steadly getting tougher yet they are going the same way as the rest. He clearly has sicko power.
If he falls short against the top ranked guys then everyone can say "I told you so" but is there a fighter out there that he doesn't have a chance of sparking (apart from Oliver McCall)?
He's currently the most exciting heavyweight in the world.
We've all seen big punchers in the past. The biggest question does he have the chin or the heart to be champion. In my era, the biggest punchers I've seen were Big cat Williams, Shavers, Foreman. All 3 got they're ass handed to them by the light punching Ali. When Mike Tyson fought Holyfield Everyone picked Tyson to win. I never been a big fan of Tyson even in his prime. Holyfield was a shot fighter at the time losing 2 of his last 4 fights. I thought this would be another easy fight for iron Mike. When the fight came down to heart and will, Tyson folded like a lawn chair. So like everyone else it's wait and see. The problem is there is no Ali or Holyfield to test him. This has to be the weakest era in HW boxing history. So Wilder may be in the right place at the right time.
Best physique in boxing are wlad and deontay.
They both look the part and the body shows that.
The question is how far away from a fight with Wlad is wilder?
Americans would love to get the belt back and wilder could very well be on top for a long long time..
After wlad retires and deontay retires perhaps we might see david haye again..
Can't miss?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
He literally misses like 10 haye makers in the space of about 4 secs in the very video you just posted.
When I said can't miss. I mean being HW champion because the division is so weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosCan't miss?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
He literally misses like 10 haye makers in the space of about 4 secs in the very video you just posted.
I think Stiverne beats Areolae again and will give Wilder at least a test. Surely he'll at least land one meaningful punch. ( I like others think Scott felt the power and thought fuck this).
Maybe Wilder sparks Stiverne and then sparks Vlad too and we still don't know. Nothing would make me happier.
In theory Wilder has a chance of being able to spark Wladimir if Wladimir doesn't land first. He could pull a Corey Sanders on him. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It would surely be fun to watch while it lasted.
Yes but I fear Wlad is too skilled, seasoned and too much without a few good tests to prepare Wilder.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3In theory Wilder has a chance of being able to spark Wladimir if Wladimir doesn't land first. He could pull a Corey Sanders on him. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It would surely be fun to watch while it lasted.
Of course ignorance is bliss and maybe Wilder right now brimming with confidence might actually attack Wlad with wreck less abandon n have a chance unlike most everyone else who goes in cautious n already defeated.
We will see when he steps up his competition from a friend to someone who has talent and will try.
There is only one way a Wlad/Wilder fight can go- and it's by ko, possibly before 6. lololol....
[QUOTE=powerpuncher;1231065]we will see after next fight. if he can KO the winner of arreola/stiverne then i will say that he should be next in line to fight wlad.[/
"After The Next Fight" should be Wilder's alias.
I think Arreola would test Wilder because he can take a punch and has good power. Plus in his last fight he seems to be getting his shit together.
I'm just not convinced bud. I think numbers can be a bit deceptive, power is as good as who you are putting in on I think. He is the beneficiary of very calculated and baby steps type match making. Sure, hes doing his job and you gotta respect putting guys away, getting it over with but its nothing that is not expected..you don't ask if he'll win because the match up is deemed tough or real challenging..you ask when and what round vs Scott because its deemed not to be. You don't know what you have until you are challenged..not pre on paper but in the ring and I don't buy at all that they can not get better or no one will face this big mean monster so he's taking whats in front of him. Different interpetations of excitement. He may be the highest visible and easy to see, name to read and promoted as far as American but he has been anointed to the throne without taking, literally, a shot from a serious heavyweight challenger. We love ko's..guys left in heaps is what you think when you think heavyweights, I get it. But predictability and running up a record and seeing a guy exert more energy in his celebration than in the actual fight itself is not excitment or frankly all that entertaining, to me at least. Trust me dude..I'm red, white & blue and would love the title back in the States ;D but right now all I see is a guy waltzing to a title shot like he is driving thru Taco Bell ordering dinner, fast food and pre packaged. Next fight, maybe his next match will be a guy who doesn't read the script and is equally hungry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm not convinced either but this is a wave I/we have to ride! Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'm just not convinced bud. I think numbers can be a bit deceptive, power is as good as who you are putting in on I think. He is the beneficiary of very calculated and baby steps type match making. Sure, hes doing his job and you gotta respect putting guys away, getting it over with but its nothing that is not expected..you don't ask if he'll win because the match up is deemed tough or real challenging..you ask when and what round vs Scott because its deemed not to be. You don't know what you have until you are challenged..not pre on paper but in the ring and I don't buy at all that they can not get better or no one will face this big mean monster so he's taking whats in front of him. Different interpetations of excitement. He may be the highest visible and easy to see, name to read and promoted as far as American but he has been anointed to the throne without taking, literally, a shot from a serious heavyweight challenger. We love ko's..guys left in heaps is what you think when you think heavyweights, I get it. But predictability and running up a record and seeing a guy exert more energy in his celebration than in the actual fight itself is not excitment or frankly all that entertaining, to me at least. Trust me dude..I'm red, white & blue and would love the title back in the States ;D but right now all I see is a guy waltzing to a title shot like he is driving thru Taco Bell ordering dinner, fast food and pre packaged. Next fight, maybe his next match will be a guy who doesn't read the script and is equally hungry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I want Wilder to be the real deal but I'm prepared for whatever happens.
My pulse went up some with Wilder's last win. If he wins again I might have to ask for stronger MEDS. Haha
No. Deontay is Michael Grant the LITE version.
[QUOTE=beenKOed;1231174]true. maybe wlad will pull a scott and just fall over too and then we will still question him when he becomes the undisputed HW champ:DQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I don't see Wlad fighting him at all. He'll retire before that happens. Wilder is taller and way stronger than he is. I sure Wlad has seen this fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-UrjITaSc
EY??Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Wilder is taller AND lighter, a string bean with no legs, Wlad is far bigger and stronger than Wilder among everything else as well.
Deontay stands F/A chance against Wladimir really.
Wilder may be taller but he's not physically stronger than wlad .. wlad has grown into a real man over the years and has that man strength.. u look at him 10 years ago and his body wasnt as refined as it is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Wlad may be timid mentally but im willing to bet that he is physically stronger that wilder.
I've never seen Wlad go out of his way to take the tough fights. He can't keep Wilder off of him with his jab since Wilder is taller. He would be a fool to take this fight with his china chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaWilder may be taller but he's not physically stronger than wlad .. wlad has grown into a real man over the years and has that man strength.. u look at him 10 years ago and his body wasnt as refined as it is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Wlad may be timid mentally but im willing to bet that he is physically stronger that wilder.
I gotta withhold judgement until someone actually makes Deontay break into a sweat. If and when Wilder crushes someone worthy, who walks into the ring with unsoiled pants, and is there for more than just a quick paycheck...... THEN I would entertain thoughts of pairing him with Wlad.
Of course, if Wlad were to see that, he might be inclined to join his brother in the political arena and enjoy early retirement from boxing.
You my friend are wise. He's getting married soon so why fight someone who can punch like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
By the time Wilder fights anyone worth a shit Wlad going to be 40 and retired i think Wald would out box the guy like he has been doing to most for the past 10 years. Whos knows we have not had a heavyweight champ since Holyfeild and he almost got it back at 48.
Wilder should face tyson fury for the right to face wlad.
I would agree with that. The problem with that is it really a test? How good is Tyson Fury? They both look good but both has never been tested. Since Fury has a name in this sport that means a good payday for both and a shot at the title. I would doubt Fury would fight him. He's trying to come through the back door to get a shot at the title. He wants a rematch with a guy Haye beat the shit of. Wilder seems to be a guy nobody wants to fight. At least Wilder will go everywhere to fight anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
As painful as it is to say, Fury has been tested far more and done more than Wilder. He knows adversity through finding the flaws but thus far has wobbled through them, including a near tko on himself. I'm just wondering with all this Wlad talk...exactly who was the last guy landing a jab on Wilder and how many light years is he removed from the stick and pedigree of Wlad???
Come on guys, Fury is a much better boxer than Wilder.
Ok it's a pretty good contest, Good chances Wilder might get the drop on Fury.
But entertaining the idea against Wlad, come on now!!
I think Wilder would be a better opponent than Jean Marc Mormeck and Francesco Pianeta and DEFINITELY better than Alex Leapai. But he's not in the realm of Povetkin, Peter, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Haye, Thompson, Rahman. These guys would have stopped Wilder's advance through the ranks should he have encountered there kind at any stage.
Fury or Wlad is not the one punch KO artist that Wilder is. I haven't seen that kind of power since big George.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1I would agree with that. The problem with that is it really a test? How good is Tyson Fury? They both look good but both has never been tested. Since Fury has a name in this sport that means a good payday for both and a shot at the title. I would doubt Fury would fight him. He's trying to come through the back door to get a shot at the title. He wants a rematch with a guy Haye beat the shit of. Wilder seems to be a guy nobody wants to fight. At least Wilder will go everywhere to fight anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I was meaning to quote you but instead quoted myself, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I hope you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1Fury or Wlad is not the one punch KO artist that Wilder is. I haven't seen that kind of power since big George.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1I would agree with that. The problem with that is it really a test? How good is Tyson Fury? They both look good but both has never been tested. Since Fury has a name in this sport that means a good payday for both and a shot at the title. I would doubt Fury would fight him. He's trying to come through the back door to get a shot at the title. He wants a rematch with a guy Haye beat the shit of. Wilder seems to be a guy nobody wants to fight. At least Wilder will go everywhere to fight anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I just don't see a ko artist, its more paint by numbers. His power is pretty overstated vs the stunt men and ghosts he has faced. He can be very vulnerable and sloppy on delivery and you need more then a heavy right hand against Wlad these days. Ko records are constructed with guys like this, Shannon Briggs also ran up fifteen 1st round kos in 25-0 exactly like Wilder has. Beyond the numbers alot of Wilders inferior opponents actually got up, at least 4 were back of the head shots like tub of goo Damon McCreary who was last a Spr Middleweight defore Wilder fought him. I'm no Wlad fan, but I think he would melt Wilder down and put a brutal brutal schooling on him off that jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1Fury or Wlad is not the one punch KO artist that Wilder is. I haven't seen that kind of power since big George.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1I would agree with that. The problem with that is it really a test? How good is Tyson Fury? They both look good but both has never been tested. Since Fury has a name in this sport that means a good payday for both and a shot at the title. I would doubt Fury would fight him. He's trying to come through the back door to get a shot at the title. He wants a rematch with a guy Haye beat the shit of. Wilder seems to be a guy nobody wants to fight. At least Wilder will go everywhere to fight anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita