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ive read on some boxing places that this is a miss match
i dont see it that way at all
most competitive fight of the night by a long long way
collazo is a world class fighter, beat a prime hatton in my opinion, seems to still have something left with the win over ortiz, has everything to fight for, times his punches very well, hits hard enough so it seems, it wouldnt surprise me at all if khan got knocked out in this one
Most people in the other thread think Collazo will win too. Was you reading the Amir Khan forum?
Yea the way I see it too. Khan is the favorite but certainly not a mismatch. If Khan is stronger and the weight and his chin is a lot better I suppose it could be very one sided but I think it will be a very tough fight for Khan. Hopefully the bookies see it as a mismatch because we might get a big price on Collazo.
Khan should be a big underdog.
He got beat by a lightweight last time. He has the worst chin in history. Hasn't fought for over a year. Never fought at 147. No bottle. Ducked Prescott rematch and was shamefully knocked out by the useless undefeated world champion Danny Garcia. No defence. No brain. Bit of a cunt. Never beat a world-class fighter. In fact he's the most pathetic overrated fighter ever. Should be tortured. Then shot.
no boxing scene or something i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
or boxing news
i cant remember where i was reading it
and i dint know there was another thread
I think khan will win mind
Man! That is harsh, you must have lost big recently.Quote:
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I can't agree to the torture. No way!
I think Collazo with be out boxed for long periods of the bout , however he has more than a chance with Khan's dodgy whiskers.
This Friday gone I was in a local restaurant and in walked Khan , he was eating like a horse , today Tuesday he is working out in the Bolton Gym . I don't think he struggles to make this weight at all.
This should be a good fight for as long as Khan don't hear "Sweet Chin Music".
This is just my opinion, skillset, I believe Khan have the 2nd best skillset after Mayweather. And I always thought Khan would be a GREAT challenge for Floyd. But Khan is fighting Collazo. And IMO, I think Khan is looking past him. He choose in what he thinks a High reward/Low risk fighter. Collazo have a name but clearly not the best opponent to prove himself to be worthy of a Floyd Mega Fight. And after watching Khan workout, Hunter is preparing Khan to fight Floyd's style. The shoulders roll and the movement to the right. Collazo is a different fighter and the wrong fight.
And the winner is Collazo
To bad Collazo won't get the Floyd fight in September!!!
I think when the first bell goes Khan is an obvious class apart from Collazo in speed and movement. Collazo looks like what he is, which is a late thirties guy who retired for two years, is making an unremarkable comeback and is basically a welterweight gatekeeper.
I think Collazo hangs in there though and eventually catches Khan with something substantial. At this point a fight breaks out and we actually get an exciting fight on a Floyd bill.
I do think Khan is basically done at the top level but Collazo isn't a top level guy. And Khan's fragility will ensure he's drawn into a brawl. I can see him adding another classic to his career sparking highlight reel in this fight.
Always liked Collazo, even before the Hatton fight. Quality operator that seemed not to love boxing enough to really chuck his all in to it. If I had to bet, I say he beats Khan, and via stoppage too..... Collazo does have nice timing, and thats what will beat Khan IMO.
Khan vs Ortiz would have been a more exciting fight for sure, and I bet that's what they had in mind. After Collazo beats Khan, then they can run Khan vs Ortiz, maybe for a Silver Belt.
Collazo opened at 5/1 with VC. I had a bit on that but still 7/2 which is too big for me. I think a fair price is around 5/2 maybe 9/4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Biggest banana skin out there. Khan has some stupid advisors. Like both fighters so will be pleased for whoever wins but I see this is a pick em. Could go either way.
On paper...Khan should win this fight. But we all know that means nothing. Khan looked underwhelming against Diaz...he has been inactive for a while...and i could easily see a letdown for this fight with Floyd being on Khan's mind for so long.
That was very well spotted Sir. The 5/1 was only around for a few hours, wish I'd have seen it. Was hoping for 4/1+, would have been tasty to get 5s. Still given that its still 7/2 another book could easily go 4s but 5/1 is long gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeCollazo opened at 5/1 with VC. I had a bit on that but still 7/2 which is too big for me. I think a fair price is around 5/2 maybe 9/4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hope Khan wins but do not think he is ready for Floyd yet.
This is a tough ass fight to call imo. Any fight is tough to call but this one especially.
I want to say that its hard for me to see Khan going up to Callozo's weight class and winning this. Also Callozo is a good counter puncher and masterful boxer.
The Callozo Mosley fight comes to mind. The reason why is because if Khan is going to give Callozo trouble it will be with his speed.
Callozo landed some nice shots against Mosely. Can Khan take those punches? Also, I don't think Kahn as the overall speed and footwork of the prime Mosley that fought Callozo.
On the other hand I think Khan overall puts more snap on his punches than Mosley does.
Tough fight to call but I have to go with Collazo. I feel with Collazo's style he is still in his prime and maybe better than ever.
You made some good points..Quote:
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But Mosley was not in his prime when he beat collazo..
5/1!!! That's a max bet job. Not surprised it didn't last long
Id say its only gonna move one way still.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_CThat was very well spotted Sir. The 5/1 was only around for a few hours, wish I'd have seen it. Was hoping for 4/1+, would have been tasty to get 5s. Still given that its still 7/2 another book could easily go 4s but 5/1 is long gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeCollazo opened at 5/1 with VC. I had a bit on that but still 7/2 which is too big for me. I think a fair price is around 5/2 maybe 9/4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou made some good points..Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411
But Mosley was not in his prime when he beat collazo..
I agree. Mosley was still so phenomenal at this stage tho imo that's its easy to forget he was already around 32 years old when he was fighting Winky Wright and 35 when fighting Collazo.
Honestly, I think the Collazo fight was the last fight were we seen any of the real Mosley. He still wasn't Prime Mosley but nonetheless fast with great movement.
I think Cotto and on we stopped really even seeing flashes of "the real Mosley". I don't even think we seen in the Margarito fight. He just didn't move like Mosley period by this time.
From what I remember, Collazo was always a slick boxer that was a difficult puzzle to solve for a lot of guys. You had to stay busy against him and swarm him with combination punching. Throw 3 to land 1 or 5 to land 2. Stylistically, he was a spoiler of sorts. His problem was that he always lacked the pop to really make a name for himself. He seems to have gained a little at a higher weight but I can't really judge that by the Ortiz fight as Ortiz ran into that punch with his eyes closed and doubled the force on it. Even then, I think Ortiz had enough to make an attempt to get up, but as usual, once his hype train gets derailed... his heart shrinks and his b@ll$ leave town...
I think collazo can see that first kangaroo jousting punch from Khan coming a mile away, even if hes slowed a little overtime. Its the flurry that comes after that may look like there's damage being done. Collazo has to throw caution to the wind in this fight and chase Khan out of the exchanges and finish everything that khan starts..He can land what he needs to that way. He doesn't necessarily have to have heavy hands to wobble khan as is so enamored with his own offense than he never thinks about whats coming back in the exchanges. That's why every crude banger that was willing to stand and throw with khan has made contact, seemingly against the odds.
I think Khan starts out playing this one safe in light of his recent past record, costing him some stroke in the mayweather fight. He'll try to use his long arms and Kangaroo hopping style to throw collazo's timing off, flurry and then stay away. After he thinks he has a handle on Collazo, he'll take his eye off the ball and get a little too close for his own good. If Collazo wobbles him, better believe that collazo sees this as his last shot and will look to finish with Khan trying to escape on rubber legs. If it's at the end of the round or Khan escapes and regains his discipline... or even for the sake of novelty, khan learns how to clinch and last long enough to be reminded in between rounds of the money he's p*ssing away. Khan could try to stay on his bike for the rest of the fight. As usual, this one will be decided by khans discipline.
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I think this sums the fight up very good.
EXCEPT (lol), I don't see Collazo wobbling Khan and him seeing it as his last chance.
I agree that Collazo sees the first punch coming and then getting tagged by punch 2,3 or 4, especially at the beginning of the fight.
I also agree a lot will depend on Khans discipline. Actually I agree with everything else.
As slick of a south paw that Collazo is I think he will land quite a few solid punches.
The thing is tho, I can see Khan or Collazo winning by KO, Close decision or tight decision. I can see either fighter winning in any way.
Anyone know of any fights where Khan vs a south paw?
Judah and McCloskey are both southpaws. So he certainly doesn't have any issues with them. Then again with Khans speedy in/out style I don't think it matters much southpaw or orthodox.
Collazo has good timing and has a good chin. Can Khan go 12 without falling foul of a well timed punch or 2? Million dollar question. Only the cream of the crop fighters will succeed to beat Khan via decision imo (as far as im concerned Khan edged the Peterson fight even with the 2 deductions)
Good observation and I was actiually going to touch up on that as well. I was looking back at the southpaws who faced khan and he had no problems handling them.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
Khan just needs to stay composed and minimize his mistakes and he will be victorious.
To be fair to Collazo, He broke his hand in the Mosley fight if I remember correctly. He did it early on aswell in the second round. He was doing very well up until then. He had started very brightly.