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That kind of definition says juice and yet his lack of pop says not.
Not a fan of the guy but I think he's the second best welter out there and will beat Manny.
A low body fat % can be obtained without the use of PEDs, and there's no evidence that juice has any real impact on a guy's punching power.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Dude just has an athletic body.
Lol or make a guy run faster or hit a ball better. I think when a guy comes from 122 (well started at 106) pounds and starts destroying the cream of the crop all the way to 147 while his power and speed increases is evidence of something but that's another thread. I should not have even touched on it. That definition is not common and there is little doubt that steroids increase power, strength and speed and are used by a lot of people at the top of this sport for that very reason. Punchers are born but also enhanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerA low body fat % can be obtained without the use of PEDs, and there's no evidence that juice has any real impact on a guy's punching power.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Dude just has an athletic body.
At any rate, Tim seems really confident to me and I think he gets a clear win this time.
Tims definition doesn't seem as odd to me as his bulk. I believe he's vegan and every vegan I know is well defined but I can't think of one with substantial mass.
Are Vegan's the bad guys in Star Trek ?;)Quote:
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I found this pic of Bradley as a kid.;D
I've been waiting for this fight since the last time they fought. I've come to see Bradley differently since that fight but he didn't win that fight and I think Manny is going to make sure the judges don't have a real choice.
Truthfully, I won't have a big problem with Bradley winning if it's convincing.
Bradley always looks to be in great condition to me, I don't know if being ripped adds anything to his game or not, I've never seen him any other way for a fight.
A lot of headway has been made for vegan athletes in terms of supplements and alternative protein sources over the last 10 years or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I've seen some JACKED vegans.
Stop being silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Cant a man have a toned body without being accused of roids!
Punching power is a weird thing, because physical strength doesn't necessarily translate into big KO power. We've seen a ton of big bulky dudes with mediocre to average power and we've seen lanky dudes and softbodies who could stop a train with their power.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Does it help? I'm sure it does, but I'm not convinced it's going to turn a guy into a KO artist. In the UFC I saw Stefan Bonnar fight Anderson Silva, and Stefan was juiced to the gills and failed the drug test, and Anderson stood on the fence, put his hands down and let Bonnar punch him in the chin and laughed at him. And Bonnar knows how to punch, he was a Golden Gloves boxing champ in Chicago, and we're talking small MMA gloves.
Haha, that is funny. Honestly! That's Ron Howard's brother, Clint Howard (very talented himself) for anyone who doesn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlAre Vegan's the bad guys in Star Trek ?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
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I found this pic of Bradley as a kid.;D
Watching boxing 24/7 and they are making out Manny is finished and Bradley had 2 bad feet and will win the fight.
Bradley is always well conditioned but he is not a big puncher.
Being ripped means nothing in Boxing and punching power aint got shit to do with it.
Bradley is naturally cut like that.. he's not on drugs..
Certainly possible, I don't know any professional athlete vegans. I was just speaking of the few I know personally. They are all trim. Considering all the new forms of protein available what you say doesn't surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerA lot of headway has been made for vegan athletes in terms of supplements and alternative protein sources over the last 10 years or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I've seen some JACKED vegans.
I should add that I don't trust any athlete completely about steroids though.(especially NBA) I wouldn't accuse him but he's lumped in with the rest in the we don't know category.
Thats Ron Howards brother.Quote:
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I found this pic of Bradley as a kid.;D
I'm with you there, I'm not trying to say Tim Bradley is clean because in my mind, if you are an elite-level athlete now a days you're a suspect - sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
But a low body fat % isn't in and of itself a tell-tale sign.
Agree. Even though i am not a huge fan of his style...he has come into his prime and is confident. Manny on the other hand i feel has been on the slide for a while. Should be a close fight...going with Bradley on points (though i wouldn't be shocked if the reverse of their first fight happened and the judges screwed Tim on the cards this time).Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Dude just has great ab genetics. If he didn't have the awesome ab genetics (large slab abs, full muscle bellys, symmetry) you wouldn't think anything to his conditioning other than hes a very low body fat. Plus its not like hes 220lbs looking like that, 150lbs or so is pretty small for a bloke, not exactly roid material.
Doesn't look like a steroid body at all.
Very low body-fat is all, heavy endurance conditioning will do that.
And Tim needs it the way he fights. Fantastic conditioning, he keeps coming on.
Not many guys have that kind of endurance. Bradley, Pacquiao.
Joe Calzaghe had it. Margarito. There's only a handful can go at that pace.
The late Tommy Morrison was on steroids, and despite 5 mile runs, this guy ran out of gas in 5 rds. He just couldn't develop that kind of conditioning. The Foreman fight is the only one where he showed a gas tank.
As long as roids are the topic, do they not have an effect on back muscles? Guys in the 70s/80s had ripped up backs but most guys now their chest/abs/shoulders/bicepts are ripped up without near the muscle accross the back. What's that about?
Addendum-of course they could have been juicing like mad in the 70s/80s so maybe it's the exact opposite and it was more prevalent then we just didn't hear of it. In fact with the boom of top heavies in the 60s/early 70s it's quite likely steroids played a part but I digress
Training injuries. Steroids will heal a guy faster, and some will take it for that.
In UFC, steroid-cheating has been right out in the open for several years. Years ago, Joe Rogan on-air commenting about Randy Couture undergoing Testosterone-Replacement Therapy on Docter's orders. Testerone is a steroid. The message is if you get a Doctor's note, then steroids is okay. They recently made changes though about a month ago, and the day after that announcement, Belfort pulled out of his next scheduled fight.
Have you seen Tim's daddy??? He probably had Timmy monitoring proteins and bench pressing swing sets loaded with neighborhood kids before he was even out of diapers! I seriously doubt he's a juice box.
I'm sure they can target that area just like just about any other place. I'm sure juicing in one form or the other has been around almost as long as the sport or any other sport with similar demands at the highest level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Remember the "red pill" survey. 95% or more answered yes when the were asked if they would take it. The question, "if you could become a famous athlete or break a world record and become famous but die ten years after would you take a little red pill?"
I dont think Tim is juicing. Nothing has changed about the guy since he broke out in the pros but he does puff up (water log) a lot in between fights. I'm a vegetarian and a good buddy of mine was a serious weight lifter who juiced and was a strict vegan otherwise. He used to puff up like Tim off cycle and bloat. If Tim is such a serious vegan like some are saying then I dont see him putting on the weight he does after fights. I'm skeptical of most pros at this level if not down right cynical. This is the same fighter prior to the Provo fight.
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Bradley goes on a vegan diet only for his fights. He definitely does bulk up in between fights. I've seen articles where he said he was weighing in the 180s in between fights. So I'm thinking he has a system of putting on that mass and then shredding down with a vegan diet for his fights. But to be clear on the PEDs situation. At least Bradley continues to go forth with VADA testing even if his opponents do not(Marquez, Pacquiao). So he is being testing by the commission and VADA and is paying for the VADA himself.
Jehoshopat is correct. Bradley goes on that vegan diet only during training.
What does Tim weigh on fight night anyway?
How much is he dehydrating?
I think Pacquiao is about the only top fighter who doesn't dehydrate or restrict his calories in camp to lose weight. Dude fights in the weight class where he belongs.
Mayweather as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
The pictures IamInuit supplied are crazy. Dude gets doughy between fights. Maybe we're all missing something because we look in the wrong direction. I'm sure we've all read extensively about cutting weight but before they cut how are fighters losing so much weight these days? Considering the weight loss industry makes billions I have a hard time believing it's something they could talk about but choose not to.
Bradley juicing?
Pac doesnt do the olympic style testing.
Pac doesnt like needles
Freddie already admitted that he doesnt know what ariza put in pacs drinks.
And bradley just keeps winning on the vegan diet.
Pac was a better fighter on arizas special liquid.
Arizas special liquid? Rubbish statement. U can't be defamating a niggas character.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
He's been a vegan for months now and it shows also people who are a dedicated vegan wouldn't be stupid enough to put steriods in there body. I tryed vegan before, well done to him for sticking with it, it's such a hard thing to do.