Who would have won at 140? This would be a classic boxer vs. swarmer match-up. Pryor was a relentless pressure fighter with power and an iron chin.
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Who would have won at 140? This would be a classic boxer vs. swarmer match-up. Pryor was a relentless pressure fighter with power and an iron chin.
At 140, Floyd would have eaten him up. Just too fast of hand and feet.
Aaron was a great swarmer and pressure fighter, but Floyd is amazing on the inside as well.
I see Pryor eating a lot of leather.
IIRC, Floyd beat Hatton at his own game in their fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Floyd's just a nightmare to fight for anyone. It's so rare to have a fighter where you're not really safe anywhere. Traditionally guys either want to be on the outside or on the inside, so when you get true old school guys like Floyd and prime Toney who can carve guys up from anywhere, they'll always match up well in any hypothetical matchup.
Floyd is not amazing on the inside.
Pryor with the bottle was relentless and Hatton gave Floyd hell for 6 rounds. Pryor gets Floyd on his bike.
No? You don't think so? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Pryor is overrated and Floyd would dissect him in route to a late TKO...
Btw, floyd has a good inside game but chooses not to be there because he doesnt have to..
Check out his short, counter right uppercuts on the inside.. it's a thing of beauty. James Toney style
Hatton gave Floyd hell for 6 rounds?! We must have watched two completely different fights. Hatton did his best to pressure, missed a ton, exhausted himself, and got dropped. Pryor is a different animal than Hatton for sure...but Floyd had too much skill and brilliant movement (especially at 130 to 140).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Exactamundo.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
And what was one of the first things Ricky said in the post fight interview? Something to the effect of Floyd being a lot better on the inside than he anticipated.
Oh Floyd would TOOL Pryor. Aaron Pryor was a great fighter, but Mosley had a similar style and a better chin and although Floyd fought an ancient Mosley but Floyd would just pick apart Pryor and I think he'd stop him to be quite honest.
Did anyone stop Pryor in his peak?
No but who has he fought besides a faded Arguello?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Has anyone ever beat Mayweather in his pro career?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
aaron pryor would tear mayweather apart like a bobcat tears a little kitten to shreds. Fight would be over in 5 rounds. Knock out. Cold.
I can't stand the fooker, but Mayweather would time Pryor like a clock. You don't have to be a "huge" puncher to short circuit someone, especially when they do half the work for you on the front foot(s) and you're timing and accuracy is among the best.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I agree but floyd had real punching power at 140. At that weight, I consider him as a real boxer-puncher.
Aaron Pryor by unanimous decision, by KO if over 15
Like him or loathe him, Mayweather is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. Hit and don't be hit is the old saying and Mayweather is a master at it. You have to be offensive too and that's exactly what Floyd Mayweather does, he is a brilliant ring strategist, he goes into every fight with plan A and a plan B in reserve. Mosley hit him big time and from that moment on he went to plan B and Sugar Shane never came close to scoring again. Pryor would be no different, he was also careless and probably would get stopped by Floyd. Pryor would've been a better fighter if he wasn't so hyper all the time. There was a time when i thought Pryor would've given Duran and Leonard very difficult fights,i've changed my opinion. Duran and Leonard beat him and so does Floyd Mayweather!
You thought right ;D there's a reason Leonard and Duran never fought Pryor :rolleyes: The Hawk rolls over Pretty Boy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
La Cockroachn you listen to me cuz imma give you a short and sweet history lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaYou thought right ;D there's a reason Leonard and Duran never fought Pryor :rolleyes: The Hawk rolls over Pretty Boy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Leonard never fought Pryor because he had bigger fishes to fry at 147, plain and simple.
Same with Duran. He didn't have time to fuck around with small fishes like Pryor.
Thanks for the lesson but it's sort of like saying I'm going to give you herpes ;D no thanks :p. I agree there were bigger money fights but Leonard avoided Pryor and that is from the horses mouth. I worked as his security for the day when he visited my city a few years back and asked him about Pryor. Leonard said it would have been an extremely tough fight and he navigated around it for better financial options :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaLa Cockroachn you listen to me cuz imma give you a short and sweet history lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaYou thought right ;D there's a reason Leonard and Duran never fought Pryor :rolleyes: The Hawk rolls over Pretty Boy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Leonard never fought Pryor because he had bigger fishes to fry at 147, plain and simple.
Same with Duran. He didn't have time to fuck around with small fishes like Pryor.
Pryor took some monster shots from Arguello, which hides a simple truth about the rest of his career, that being that he went down more than once from walking into shots off balance. That would hurt him against a guy like mayweather.
My point is that you expect a feather fisted, safety first and brittle handed fighter to stop Pryor is crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHas anyone ever beat Mayweather in his pro career?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yea, Im sure Leonard was so scared of Pryor yet he fought bigger and better fighters such as Duran, Hearns, Benitez and Hagler after years of layoff..
You can't duck somebody who is not in your weight class... Pryor was not a WW and Leonard was chasing the big dogs..
OH and I just remembered something.. Leonard did offer Pryor the biggest payday of his career at some point and Pryor turned it down.. FACT
You can't believe everything you hear on HBO Legenday Night because alot of that shit is untrue..
lol @ Leonard " ducking " pryor.. That shit dont even make any sense logically..
Floyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Olympic.....Style.....Drug TestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
ADVANTAGE FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
Without Panama Lewis' "training" Aaron Pryor would have been blasted out by Arguello, simple fact!
Probably true which is why I said with the bottle he was invincible.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOlympic.....Style.....Drug TestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
ADVANTAGE FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
Without Panama Lewis' "training" Aaron Pryor would have been blasted out by Arguello, simple fact!
Im willing to bet that Floyd at 140 hits harder than Arguello...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Based on the Gatti fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm willing to bet that Floyd at 140 hits harder than Arguello...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Im not just gauging his power off the fights he had at 140 but my overall boxing sense tells me that Floyd is a real puncher at the lower weights.. Bigger puncher than Arguello, yea..Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBased on the Gatti fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm willing to bet that Floyd at 140 hits harder than Arguello...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Arguello may have been taller but he was a smaller man than Floyd overall which was one of the reasons why he didnt fight above 140 as opposed to Floyd who has fought as high as 154 with his punching power intact to an extent..
Arguello had scary power at 130...
Contradicting yourself as you are saying Arguello hit harder than Floyd at 130lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm not just gauging his power off the fights he had at 140 but my overall boxing sense tells me that Floyd is a real puncher at the lower weights.. Bigger puncher than Arguello, yea..Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBased on the Gatti fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm willing to bet that Floyd at 140 hits harder than Arguello...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Arguello may have been taller but he was a smaller man than Floyd overall which was one of the reasons why he didnt fight above 140 as opposed to Floyd who has fought as high as 154 with his punching power intact to an extent..
Arguello had scary power at 130...
Nope, I said that Arguello had real power at 130. I never said he punched harder at that weight than Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterContradicting yourself as you are saying Arguello hit harder than Floyd at 130lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm not just gauging his power off the fights he had at 140 but my overall boxing sense tells me that Floyd is a real puncher at the lower weights.. Bigger puncher than Arguello, yea..Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBased on the Gatti fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm willing to bet that Floyd at 140 hits harder than Arguello...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Arguello may have been taller but he was a smaller man than Floyd overall which was one of the reasons why he didnt fight above 140 as opposed to Floyd who has fought as high as 154 with his punching power intact to an extent..
Arguello had scary power at 130...
Difference is, Arguello didnt really carry his power up to the higher weights.. Not to say that he wasn't a good puncher at 135-140 but his power did not increase..
Floyd was a legit puncher at 130 and he carried that all the way up to 140..
At the end of the day, I believe Floyd is a bigger puncher because of his natural size advantage..
No do not agree. Arguello had a great right hand which was the bomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaNope, I said that Arguello had real power at 130. I never said he punched harder at that weight than Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterContradicting yourself as you are saying Arguello hit harder than Floyd at 130lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm not just gauging his power off the fights he had at 140 but my overall boxing sense tells me that Floyd is a real puncher at the lower weights.. Bigger puncher than Arguello, yea..Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBased on the Gatti fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIm willing to bet that Floyd at 140 hits harder than Arguello...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was not a harder puncher than Alex.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFloyd wasn't feather fisted at that weight, though. And he wasn't as safety first as he is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Arguello may have been taller but he was a smaller man than Floyd overall which was one of the reasons why he didnt fight above 140 as opposed to Floyd who has fought as high as 154 with his punching power intact to an extent..
Arguello had scary power at 130...
Difference is, Arguello didnt really carry his power up to the higher weights.. Not to say that he wasn't a good puncher at 135-140 but his power did not increase..
Floyd was a legit puncher at 130 and he carried that all the way up to 140..
At the end of the day, I believe Floyd is a bigger puncher because of his natural size advantage..
Castillo, Judah :pQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHas anyone ever beat Mayweather in his pro career?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master