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Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
Activity is overrated.. quality over quantity and id rather watch my favorite fighters every four months against good/decent oppositions instead of them feasting on tomato cans weekly..
They say activity keeps you sharp but when you really think about it, fighting bums who pose zero resistance cant help you in any way. If anything, that can give you a false sense of security thinking that you are better than you really are.
Were you impressed by Shannon Briggs' recent run? U think those fights helped him hone his craft?
All these old school fighters you guys love to rave about fought these kind of competition while putting more mileage on the odometer unnecessarily..
Today's way of doing things are much better.. fight 3 times a year against quality foes and preserve the body for a longer career and better life after boxing..
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
It's no surprise that I would agree with this one.
And it's not an excuse for being inactive, those that take long breaks still deserve to be scrutinized more closely.
But I do believe that the high quality sparring and preparation against worthy and challenging sparring partners and good coaching and conditioning of the body is worth in experience points than the experience gained from regularly thrashing the local soup kitchen blokes once a month. Quality counts!
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
Thai's do it "old skool" and stay busy, heck the Srisaket/Suriyan/Nawaphon trio have had like 4 or 5 fights already this year and that's kept them at weight, kept them getting paid and kept them staying active...no complaints as long as you have a meaningful fight every few months.
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
And look at the Thais, they're fucking shit at their own sport, they end up all fucked up and they look like they could use a sandwich not another fucking fight! lol
The professional level of thai boxing is far lower than real boxing (still much higher than MMA at this stage though but that is changing fast).
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
I just don't see what's so fucking impressive about quantity. It makes you tougher for some reason? Do these people not understand that pro boxers fight EVERY DAY in the gym? I get that sparring isn't a REAL fight, but neither is fighting a club fighter or beginner when you're a world champion.
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
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Max Power
And look at the Thais, they're fucking shit at their own sport, they end up all fucked up and they look like they could use a sandwich not another fucking fight! lol
The professional level of thai boxing is far lower than real boxing (still much higher than MMA at this stage though but that is changing fast).
Another fight pays for the sandwich, at least that was the case with Srisaket early on in his career where he was literally fighting for his meals. He's not done too badly for a "shit" fighter.
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iamasadlittleboy
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Max Power
And look at the Thais, they're fucking shit at their own sport, they end up all fucked up and they look like they could use a sandwich not another fucking fight! lol
The professional level of thai boxing is far lower than real boxing (still much higher than MMA at this stage though but that is changing fast).
Another fight pays for the sandwich, at least that was the case with Srisaket early on in his career where he was literally fighting for his meals. He's not done too badly for a "shit" fighter.
Yes yes, maybe that was a bit of a rash statement lol :)
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
The difference was, generally, "old school" boxers who were the champ, were THE champ and had to fight all comers to stay champ. Not like today where you can hold one or two. Belts and in the process avoid fighting acouple ofother very good fighters whoarepotentially the best in the division.
They took all sorts, totay. Sharp adfit i between the genuine challenges.
Whats Wlads excuse for Mormeck etc?
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
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ross
The difference was, generally, "old school" boxers who were the champ, were THE champ and had to fight all comers to stay champ. Not like today where you can hold one or two. Belts and in the process avoid fighting acouple ofother very good fighters whoarepotentially the best in the division.
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Yeah? All comers you say? Wowsers!
There was nobody ducked back then I guess. And of course, no fighters ever got left in the cold because they didn't play ball with the mob or have the right mob connections.
And of course no fighter was ever denied a meaningful fight because of the colour of his skin. No promoter ever refused to take on a black fighter or put his kid in the ring with a black fighter because he wouldn't draw the same money a quality white fighter would.
And even if somehow a fighter WAS ducked or left in the cold for some reason, fear not! Because technology made access to information so easy! No doubt there would be tons of boxing websites writing articles about how fighter X is being ducked. The many internet boxing forums would be abuzz about how great this guy was and how he wasn't getting his shot. Oh and I bet his HL video and a couple of his fights would end up on Youtube and go viral, so the whole world knew about him and his incredible skill (as opposed to just the 50 drunk spectators at some smokey ball room who actually watched him fight).
What a magical time that was in boxing history. Nobody cared about money and everyone fought the toughest competition possible every time out because, gosh darn it, they owed it to the fans, to their country, and most importantly to god above!
I think I'm going to get cryogenically frozen. I'll leave a note to thaw me out when time travel is possible so I can go back and watch REAL MEN fight.
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
ross is obviously mentally challenged on this issue. Obviously the more titles their are the more top opponents you must face and beat to get them and then you are more demanded to always face top comp as mandatory defenses.
Mormeck was NOT a bum opponent. Mormeck is a multiple time world champion boxer.
What we consider a complete mismatch and too small for HW today, it must be borne that this is a multiple world champ who is more athletic than any of those older boxers, that is BIGGER than Ali, Norton, Frazier, Louis, Liston and only 1lb!! lighter than prime George Foreman!!! Big fucking George! And he has an excellent record against excellent opponents!
The fact that for Wladimir an opponent of this calibre is considered poor competition is PROOF how much higher the quality of opposition is today. Absolute proof!
Name 1, just 1, boxcar Joe type opponent that Wladimir fought? The records of his opponents are all there. Same for other modern fighters!
This mindless bashing is sickening! Especially when the past guys you promote are highly questionable themselves!
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
mormeck was a terrible opponent for wladimir that really cant be argued...
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palmerq
mormeck was a terrible opponent for wladimir that really cant be argued...
I'm not arguing that at all.
Mormeck WAS a terrible opponent for Wladimir.
But 36-4 Mormeck, multiple world champ, losing only to 2 other champs and a couple other fights when green, at a highly athletic 216lbs.
For THAT to have been the worst opponent for Wladimir in the last decade is testament to the fact how quality has improved.
What would have been the BEST opponent Ali or Louis ever faced, was a complete mismatch for Wladimir!
Compare 37-30 Musto and 174lb Conn to Mormeck!
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
Here's a brain scratcher...name on one hand the number of top ten 'opponents' Briggs legitimately beat :author:
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
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Spicoli
Here's a brain scratcher...name on one hand the number of top ten 'opponents' Briggs legitimately beat :author:
Mercer and Liakovich and Foreman are the only great opponents.
Foreman was illegitimate though cause imo he beat Briggs.
Mercer was not top 10 at that time.
Leaving only Liakovich which I'm not sure what he was ranked at the time.
Therefore one can draw the conclusion that Briggs was never REALLY that good anyway.
His greatest LEGITIMATE achievement imo was dropping Lennox Lewis. A fight in which he was subsequently destroyed.
You could also say that a primer version of Briggs LOST to worse opponents than Leapai!
Nice observation Spicoli! :) Even I gave Briggs more credit than he was worth lol
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
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Spicoli
Here's a brain scratcher...name on one hand the number of top ten 'opponents' Briggs legitimately beat :author:
Easy. Liakhovich. Not only was he a top 10er, but he was the WBO champion fresh off his spectacular victory over Lamon Brewster. Wow what a war that was.
Briggs scored one of the greatrest come-from-behind KO over Liakhovich to become the last, great American HW champion.
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FinitoElDinamita
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Spicoli
Here's a brain scratcher...name on one hand the number of top ten 'opponents' Briggs legitimately beat :author:
Easy. Liakhovich. Not only was he a top 10er, but he was the WBO champion fresh off his spectacular victory over Lamon Brewster. Wow what a war that was.
Briggs scored one of the greatrest come-from-behind KO over Liakhovich to become the last, great American HW champion.
Yeah that was good of Briggs. He is still a great fighter and champion boxer but as you said, come from behind victory. It's just as likely Liakovich could have won a rematch with Briggs.
A shock KO like that is not as convincing to me of greatness than out-boxing an opponent thoroughly and scoring the KO win.
Prime Briggs would have been a good opponent for Wladimir but I don't think he brings anything much more to the table that LEapai does.
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FinitoElDinamita
Activity is overrated.. quality over quantity and id rather watch my favorite fighters every four months against good/decent oppositions instead of them feasting on tomato cans weekly..
They say activity keeps you sharp but when you really think about it, fighting bums who pose zero resistance cant help you in any way. If anything, that can give you a false sense of security thinking that you are better than you really are.
Were you impressed by Shannon Briggs' recent run? U think those fights helped him hone his craft?
All these old school fighters you guys love to rave about fought these kind of competition while putting more mileage on the odometer unnecessarily..
Today's way of doing things are much better.. fight 3 times a year against quality foes and preserve the body for a longer career and better life after boxing..
They didn't fight three times a month because they loved the competition, they fought because they needed the money. I imagine there were some who liked the competition but not the majority.
As the money increased the number of fights went down. Now the fighters who like the competition fight as much as they can while the rest kick back and fight as little as possible. It's the money.
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beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
Activity is overrated.. quality over quantity and id rather watch my favorite fighters every four months against good/decent oppositions instead of them feasting on tomato cans weekly..
They say activity keeps you sharp but when you really think about it, fighting bums who pose zero resistance cant help you in any way. If anything, that can give you a false sense of security thinking that you are better than you really are.
Were you impressed by Shannon Briggs' recent run? U think those fights helped him hone his craft?
All these old school fighters you guys love to rave about fought these kind of competition while putting more mileage on the odometer unnecessarily..
Today's way of doing things are much better.. fight 3 times a year against quality foes and preserve the body for a longer career and better life after boxing..
They didn't fight three times a month because they loved the competition, they fought because they needed the money. I imagine there were some who liked the competition but not the majority.
As the money increased the number of fights went down. Now the fighters who like the competition fight as much as they can while the rest kick back and fight as little as possible. It's the money.
The money is a factor to be sure, but it's by no means the complete reason for inactivity.
In the modern sport, there is F/A money for a top level HW to destroy a mug club fighter. How many ppl are gonna purchase PPV subscriptions or pay ringside seats to see that shit these days?
No no no, you cannot have it both ways. It was established good form to be active back then, today it's regarded as stupidity! To beat up guys less than your own sparring partners are worth! lol
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
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FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
Here's a brain scratcher...name on one hand the number of top ten 'opponents' Briggs legitimately beat :author:
Easy. Liakhovich. Not only was he a top 10er, but he was the WBO champion fresh off his spectacular victory over Lamon Brewster. Wow what a war that was.
Briggs scored one of the greatrest come-from-behind KO over Liakhovich to become the last, great American HW champion.
Ding ding :D And we only needed one finger, probably the one Wlad is giving Briggs. That's the one chief.
Briggs and 'great' never frequented the same room or the same comic book convention. Lets just keep it level. He has stretched those 15 minutes to absurdity and sponsored more cans than a soup kitchen.
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Max Power
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beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
Activity is overrated.. quality over quantity and id rather watch my favorite fighters every four months against good/decent oppositions instead of them feasting on tomato cans weekly..
They say activity keeps you sharp but when you really think about it, fighting bums who pose zero resistance cant help you in any way. If anything, that can give you a false sense of security thinking that you are better than you really are.
Were you impressed by Shannon Briggs' recent run? U think those fights helped him hone his craft?
All these old school fighters you guys love to rave about fought these kind of competition while putting more mileage on the odometer unnecessarily..
Today's way of doing things are much better.. fight 3 times a year against quality foes and preserve the body for a longer career and better life after boxing..
They didn't fight three times a month because they loved the competition, they fought because they needed the money. I imagine there were some who liked the competition but not the majority.
As the money increased the number of fights went down. Now the fighters who like the competition fight as much as they can while the rest kick back and fight as little as possible. It's the money.
The money is a factor to be sure, but it's by no means the complete reason for inactivity.
In the modern sport, there is F/A money for a top level HW to destroy a mug club fighter. How many ppl are gonna purchase PPV subscriptions or pay ringside seats to see that shit these days?
No no no, you cannot have it both ways. It was established good form to be active back then, today it's regarded as stupidity! To beat up guys less than your own sparring partners are worth! lol
It was established good form if you wanted to eat and ensure your children's future. Let's get real here, the majority of fighters never even get on a PPV card, especially the lower weight classes.
Back in the good old days, it was much worse, there was little money for anybody and those bums you were talking about were more than willing and grateful to get the work even if it meant an ass kicking.
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Re: Old school boxers fought once a week against bunch of Shannon Briggs' opponents
This is Brigg's 3rd comeback, probably will be his last one... he always does this: loads up on canon fodder, as he says he will do, and then after about 2/maybe 3, fights, he jumps right into a top contender- no lesser than 5 on the rankings.
Be patient and let Briggs warm up the engine.... the Briggs Express is coming... sooner than you think!
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